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since some of us are experts, than tell it.

ward leans to the side, turning his head, making it difficult to punch him clean.

or if it becomes dangerous he closes up the distance and holds, than pushes.

overall mostly waiting to counter and very technical, blocking shots and following with well placed punches, just to grab you and hold you, like in a love song

so, besides "you have to rough him up like maidana/castillo did to floyd", how do you beat this high end technical boxer?

None just age.

by sticking him in there with sergey kovalev

...for starters: get him out of his backyard, appoint neutral judges/referee..make him fight cheered by "hostile" crowd..

i was wondering the same thing watching while watching Ward fight Saturday Night. There were times in that fight that Ward was turning his head 180 degrees away from punches. His head was looking at the crowd instead of the boxer in front of him and i've never seen that before. It's like he took the Floyd shoulder roll and took it another 90 degrees around. I'm sure that he'll do this against Kovalev and Kovalev will get called for rabbit punches or something stupid.

Ward might even be more boring to watch than Floyd. Almost impossible right? But it's true. At least Floyd would connect with this delayed straight right on occasion. Ward has no right hand at all. All that he has is that left hand and clinch. I love how Ward stares down the other boxer after rounds and does absolutely nothing during the rounds. I've seen all i need to see now, Kovalev will absolutely demolish Ward.

What do you think Kovalev would have done to that Barrera kid Saturday Night? That kid wouldn't make it to the 2nd round.

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caldo2025 wrote:i was wondering the same thing watching while watching Ward fight Saturday Night. There were times in that fight that Ward was turning his head 180 degrees away from punches. His head was looking at the crowd instead of the boxer in front of him and i've never seen that before. It's like he took the Floyd shoulder roll and took it another 90 degrees around. I'm sure that he'll do this against Kovalev and Kovalev will get called for rabbit punches or something stupid.

Ward might even be more boring to watch than Floyd. Almost impossible right? But it's true. At least Floyd would connect with this delayed straight right on occasion. Ward has no right hand at all. All that he has is that left hand and clinch. I love how Ward stares down the other boxer after rounds and does absolutely nothing during the rounds. I've seen all i need to see now, Kovalev will absolutely demolish Ward.

What do you think Kovalev would have done to that Barrera kid Saturday Night? That kid wouldn't make it to the 2nd round.

turning the head is illegal, the ref never said anything did he?

excssive clniching wrestling is illegal, the ref never said something?

woulder how many L guys like floyd, wlad and ward would have if the ref would apply the rules of boxing. povetkin, castillo, maidana would be 3 100 % losses.

It's a good question.

Ward's style is very difficult to overcome & it will take a monumental effort to beat him whilst he is still at the peak of his powers.

caldo2025 wrote:i was wondering the same thing watching while watching Ward fight Saturday Night. There were times in that fight that Ward was turning his head 180 degrees away from punches. His head was looking at the crowd instead of the boxer in front of him and i've never seen that before. It's like he took the Floyd shoulder roll and took it another 90 degrees around. I'm sure that he'll do this against Kovalev and Kovalev will get called for rabbit punches or something stupid.

Ward might even be more boring to watch than Floyd. Almost impossible right? But it's true. At least Floyd would connect with this delayed straight right on occasion. Ward has no right hand at all. All that he has is that left hand and clinch. I love how Ward stares down the other boxer after rounds and does absolutely nothing during the rounds. I've seen all i need to see now, Kovalev will absolutely demolish Ward.

What do you think Kovalev would have done to that Barrera kid Saturday Night? That kid wouldn't make it to the 2nd round.

Mayweather wouldn't of stopped Bizier quicker then Brook if at all, styles make fights and unfortunately I cant see Kova demolishing Ward. A boring Ward points win is my bet.

Be Kovalev or Beterbiev

You have to have the foot speed , balance and mobility to change the dynamic that Ward creates in spacing between him and his opponent, Kovalev has this. One of the biggest things Kovalev will have to avoid which he did well vs Bernard Hopkins is use his mobility to not fall into too many clinches. In clinches with Ward Kovalev would have to worry about headbutts, I say headbutts and cuts are the biggest danger to Kovalev being defeated by Ward.

With great difficulty. Ward, like Floyd, has just about every tool in the book, is very fit, very smart and is good at forcing the other fighter to fight at his slow pace, so stamina is never an issue.

I think a good stiff, fast jab like GGG's is a great starting point, but throwing a lot of jabs means giving Ward a lot of countering opportunities, so there needs to be fairly regular power punches coming behind it. Mix things up and throw the occasional power punch as a lead in the hope of catching him off guard and to prevent him from settling into a rhythm - good handspeed helps here. Hit him to the body as often as possible, but don't waste too many punches when he has his guard up.

Realise that you are going to be clinched and if you're having success on the outside he is going to try to make it a phone booth fight. Learn how to fight on the inside and use ring coverage and arm bars to avoid getting clinched and if you do get clinched, avoid being held and hit. If he starts getting dirty, return in kind but try to avoid any head clashes. He won't give you many defensive lapses, so make the most of them.

Gotta outsmart a fighter like Ward. He is physically talented, highly skilled, and fights accordingly based on his opponent.

Kova might beat Ward, but I don't feel Kova has a higher ring IQ.

If they meet, I will be rooting for Kova, but feel Ward would win.

By having him feel the pain. Kovalev's jabs, especially to the body will do that.

caldo2025 wrote:i was wondering the same thing watching while watching Ward fight Saturday Night. There were times in that fight that Ward was turning his head 180 degrees away from punches. His head was looking at the crowd instead of the boxer in front of him and i've never seen that before. It's like he took the Floyd shoulder roll and took it another 90 degrees around. I'm sure that he'll do this against Kovalev and Kovalev will get called for rabbit punches or something stupid.

Ward might even be more boring to watch than Floyd. Almost impossible right? But it's true. At least Floyd would connect with this delayed straight right on occasion. Ward has no right hand at all. All that he has is that left hand and clinch. I love how Ward stares down the other boxer after rounds and does absolutely nothing during the rounds. I've seen all i need to see now, Kovalev will absolutely demolish Ward.

What do you think Kovalev would have done to that Barrera kid Saturday Night? That kid wouldn't make it to the 2nd round.

Nice Cheap Shot but just remember this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvpM8ckeiZ0

We will see what happens when he faces Kovalev, sure Sergey would've destroyed Barrera because he hits harder and is a "Natural" LHW whereas Andre' is just coming to the weight class and took on one of the top fighters in it and knocked him down, clowned him, took his best shots and completely outclassed and frustrated a Bigger man and made it look relatively easy all the while standing right in the pocket the vast majority of the time.

Hate on but I'm willing to bet you whatever amount you want when he and Sergey hook up. Don't get me wrong; Sergey has earned my respect for him, dude is a Beast and will be bringing it but let's not forget that power won't mean that much if you are unable to land it cleanly or often enough.

Don't forget Ward has a pretty good beard (very underrated one), and has great defense; he was very rusty in the bout with Sullivan and his timing was off so at times he looked a little sloppy but another fight or two and then Kov and we have a totally different fight.

What's your wager??

Chepppaaa wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:i was wondering the same thing watching while watching Ward fight Saturday Night. There were times in that fight that Ward was turning his head 180 degrees away from punches. His head was looking at the crowd instead of the boxer in front of him and i've never seen that before. It's like he took the Floyd shoulder roll and took it another 90 degrees around. I'm sure that he'll do this against Kovalev and Kovalev will get called for rabbit punches or something stupid.

Ward might even be more boring to watch than Floyd. Almost impossible right? But it's true. At least Floyd would connect with this delayed straight right on occasion. Ward has no right hand at all. All that he has is that left hand and clinch. I love how Ward stares down the other boxer after rounds and does absolutely nothing during the rounds. I've seen all i need to see now, Kovalev will absolutely demolish Ward.

What do you think Kovalev would have done to that Barrera kid Saturday Night? That kid wouldn't make it to the 2nd round.

turning the head is illegal, the ref never said anything did he?

excssive clniching wrestling is illegal, the ref never said something?

woulder how many L guys like floyd, wlad and ward would have if the ref would apply the rules of boxing. povetkin, castillo, maidana would be 3 100 % losses.

So true. In the Manny fight, Floyd would duck down and hold Manny on the ropes and was never warned once for it. Imagine if Floyd didn't get to pick the ref and judges every fight? We saw what happened in the first fight with Maidana. The ref actually called it fairly for once and Floyd struggled through the whole fight. Thank god he had the judges in his pocket too as a backup insurance measure.

Undefeated49-0 wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:i was wondering the same thing watching while watching Ward fight Saturday Night. There were times in that fight that Ward was turning his head 180 degrees away from punches. His head was looking at the crowd instead of the boxer in front of him and i've never seen that before. It's like he took the Floyd shoulder roll and took it another 90 degrees around. I'm sure that he'll do this against Kovalev and Kovalev will get called for rabbit punches or something stupid.

Ward might even be more boring to watch than Floyd. Almost impossible right? But it's true. At least Floyd would connect with this delayed straight right on occasion. Ward has no right hand at all. All that he has is that left hand and clinch. I love how Ward stares down the other boxer after rounds and does absolutely nothing during the rounds. I've seen all i need to see now, Kovalev will absolutely demolish Ward.

What do you think Kovalev would have done to that Barrera kid Saturday Night? That kid wouldn't make it to the 2nd round.

Nice Cheap Shot but just remember this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvpM8ckeiZ0

We will see what happens when he faces Kovalev, sure Sergey would've destroyed Barrera because he hits harder and is a "Natural" LHW whereas Andre' is just coming to the weight class and took on one of the top fighters in it and knocked him down, clowned him, took his best shots and completely outclassed and frustrated a Bigger man and made it look relatively easy all the while standing right in the pocket the vast majority of the time.

Hate on but I'm willing to bet you whatever amount you want when he and Sergey hook up. Don't get me wrong; Sergey has earned my respect for him, dude is a Beast and will be bringing it but let's not forget that power won't mean that much if you are unable to land it cleanly or often enough.

Don't forget Ward has a pretty good beard (very underrated one), and has great defense; he was very rusty in the bout with Sullivan and his timing was off so at times he looked a little sloppy but another fight or two and then Kov and we have a totally different fight.

What's your wager??

Ward has a beard against one of the worst divisions in boxing, the Super Middleweight Division. Big Deal. He's never seen anything like Kovalev and that's why Ward is begging for as many tune ups as he can get. At this rate, Ward should be ready by 2024. lol. You can't beat Kovalev without a right hand. That short left Ward throws is a nice punch but you can't win a fight against a complete boxer like Kovalev. If Barrera can bust up Ward's face and land that slow jab, he better get some insurance out prior to his fight with the Krusher. I'll bet you what ever you want bro. You say it and i'll match. For real.

Rexob wrote:None just age.

How about he actually gets to fighting somebody?

Ward does have a tough style to beat, but Kovalev may have it. Ward kind of reminds me of BHop sometimes, and Kovalev handled him. If I were to give Ward an advantage anywhere,and where Kovalev needs to improve, it would be fighting in close. Ward is hard to hit, and does make you pay. Kovalev has great balance, sits on his shots well, and cuts off the ring well. Ward does need to use his right more, but never had to with Barerra. Ward has good pop in his punches too, so it will be interesting to see if it makes Kovalev more cautious or not coming in. Both are solid, and give Kovalev the punching advantage, but Ward the ring IQ advantage.

Badhusker wrote:Ward does have a tough style to beat, but Kovalev may have it. Ward kind of reminds me of BHop sometimes, and Kovalev handled him. If I were to give Ward an advantage anywhere,and where Kovalev needs to improve, it would be fighting in close. Ward is hard to hit, and does make you pay. Kovalev has great balance, sits on his shots well, and cuts off the ring well. Ward does need to use his right more, but never had to with Barerra. Ward has good pop in his punches too, so it will be interesting to see if it makes Kovalev more cautious or not coming in. Both are solid, and give Kovalev the punching advantage, but Ward the ring IQ advantage.

B Hop fought people Ward does not fight anyone and has not in almost half a decade. He is overrated and one of the last boxers that Americans can hang onto so they will do so at all costs.

caldo2025 wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:i was wondering the same thing watching while watching Ward fight Saturday Night. There were times in that fight that Ward was turning his head 180 degrees away from punches. His head was looking at the crowd instead of the boxer in front of him and i've never seen that before. It's like he took the Floyd shoulder roll and took it another 90 degrees around. I'm sure that he'll do this against Kovalev and Kovalev will get called for rabbit punches or something stupid.

Ward might even be more boring to watch than Floyd. Almost impossible right? But it's true. At least Floyd would connect with this delayed straight right on occasion. Ward has no right hand at all. All that he has is that left hand and clinch. I love how Ward stares down the other boxer after rounds and does absolutely nothing during the rounds. I've seen all i need to see now, Kovalev will absolutely demolish Ward.

What do you think Kovalev would have done to that Barrera kid Saturday Night? That kid wouldn't make it to the 2nd round.

turning the head is illegal, the ref never said anything did he?

excssive clniching wrestling is illegal, the ref never said something?

woulder how many L guys like floyd, wlad and ward would have if the ref would apply the rules of boxing. povetkin, castillo, maidana would be 3 100 % losses.

So true. In the Manny fight, Floyd would duck down and hold Manny on the ropes and was never warned once for it. Imagine if Floyd didn't get to pick the ref and judges every fight? We saw what happened in the first fight with Maidana. The ref actually called it fairly for once and Floyd struggled through the whole fight. Thank god he had the judges in his pocket too as a backup insurance measure.

exactly. i mean, if excessive holding, clinching or wrestlng would be legal in boxing, than i would say mayweather won, but yet still i dont like his fighting style. but it is not legal and the bought refs, they act if excessive holding is okay, they simply change the rules book and most boxing fans have no clue about rules, so it is okay to them, they simple dont know better. but proffessional refferys and jduges, they should know better, its their job to know better, turning the had 180, clinching as soon as you're opponent comes close to you is illegal, delivering one punch and than hold the arm of your opponent with your elbow is illegal.

Hit him in the face really hard.

SNG wrote:Hit him in the face really hard.

Thread over SNG has resolved the puzzle of boxing

Chepppaaa wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:

turning the head is illegal, the ref never said anything did he?

excssive clniching wrestling is illegal, the ref never said something?

woulder how many L guys like floyd, wlad and ward would have if the ref would apply the rules of boxing. povetkin, castillo, maidana would be 3 100 % losses.

So true. In the Manny fight, Floyd would duck down and hold Manny on the ropes and was never warned once for it. Imagine if Floyd didn't get to pick the ref and judges every fight? We saw what happened in the first fight with Maidana. The ref actually called it fairly for once and Floyd struggled through the whole fight. Thank god he had the judges in his pocket too as a backup insurance measure.

exactly. i mean, if excessive holding, clinching or wrestlng would be legal in boxing, than i would say mayweather won, but yet still i dont like his fighting style. but it is not legal and the bought refs, they act if excessive holding is okay, they simply change the rules book and most boxing fans have no clue about rules, so it is okay to them, they simple dont know better. but proffessional refferys and jduges, they should know better, its their job to know better, turning the had 180, clinching as soon as you're opponent comes close to you is illegal, delivering one punch and than hold the arm of your opponent with your elbow is illegal.

In all of the fights that i've seen holding penalized by the ref, the fights were awesome. Boxers like Ward and Floyd actually work on this in camp and it's part of their strategy. How many times have you seen Floyd throw that sneaky straight right hand lead and then immediately clutch right after he throws it? Floyd and Ward's whole game plan is a series of small combos followed by a clutch to avoid any counters. They are so fast that if the ref isn't calling it, they could do it all night long.

Let's face it, Maidana is a blast to watch but he's NOT even close to an elite fighter. If someone else with more skill was in the ring that night when Floyd didn't have the ref protecting him, I think Floyd's streak would have been snapped. Tony Weeks called a great fight that night and what did he get for it? Floyd complained during...after....and then wouldn't get inside the ring again unless Bayless was working the fight. Then we saw the disgusting job Bayless did in the second Maidana fight. Putrid. He was breaking them up at times when they weren't even touching each other. The most disgusting ref job i've ever seen in my life.

You fight slippery boxers by corralling their head, left jabs should be aimed at his right eye, ward likes to slip, by placing your jab there wards reflexes will make him slip to his left and straight to the side where he can be hit with the right, even if you miss with the right on some occasions, some will land, you also dramatically cut down his ability to escape with lateral movement, he will end up straight in front of you again, most fans don't realise how well kovalev controlled bhop in their fight, great distance so he could land shots but just far enough away so bhop found it very difficult to clinch, as bhop tried to clinch all he did was step back and maintain the distance, that will work very well against ward