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All the bad luck started once he quickly dropped that 25-30lbs to face the #1 contender at LHW Tarver. His 1st fight was Tarver never giving his

body time to get re-adjusted back at the weight. We never saw him lose not even a single round in 10yrs everything went downhill once he lost all

that weight so in a sense he is still undefeated for me in my opinion

bnovelist wrote:We never saw him lose not even a single round in 10yrs :

Montell Griffin 1?

Roy Jones Lost one fight in about 15 years as a pro. A DQ while he was ahead on all scorecards. He smoked the guy in one round next time.
He never really lost a fight until his 51st tiff. I think he was 35 or 36 at he time.

Roy was down on 2 of the 3 cards I believe but had just gotten the knockdown and had Griffin figured out. RJJ was tentative, took awhile to adjust but he did. That late blow cost him... Roy was definitely an ATG.

Kurgen22 wrote:Roy Jones Lost one fight in about 15 years as a pro. A DQ while he was ahead on all scorecards. He smoked the guy in one round next time.
He never really lost a fight until his 51st tiff. I think he was 35 or 36 at he time.

I was just picking the low fruit on a ridiculous statement that we never saw him lose not even a single round in 10 years.

He lost rounds against numerous fighters, Hopkins springs to mind.

Regardless, he is an ATG, but i do think he'd be rated higher by many had he retired after Ruiz.

Annoys me, even as a welshman, when people credit Calzaghe with beating him - Jones was shot to pieces by then. And equally discredit Calzaghe for not fighting him at SMW. Jones left SMW division around 95 and Calzaghe didnt win a title until '97!

I personally think as soon as a boxer is caught cheating using PEDs their past fights should all be changed to no contests as there is a strong likelihood that they doped to win them too.

Roid Jones failed a drug test after fighting Richard Hall so that fight and the ones prior should become No-Contests.

So Roid's new record is 21 - 8 - 41

Same for Klitchko, Vargas, Toney, Holyfield, Maccarinelli, Mosley, Mayorga to name but a few.

Wales wrote:[

I was just picking the low fruit on a ridiculous statement that we never saw him lose not even a single round in 10 years.

He lost rounds against numerous fighters, Hopkins springs to mind.

Yes, understood. Roy was probabably the most athletic fighterI ever witnessed. In a way I think that became his undoing. His technique wasn't really that solid as far as fundamentals relied on that athletic abilty to keep his hands low and avoid punches. Once he slowed down he got caught with shots that wouldnt have come near him in his prime.

the dq was crap griffin was losing the fight, jones won. the second fight just shows how much better jones was than griffin.

jones beat hopkins & toney easily, this shows you how great prime jones was, that he had not many problems against future atg.

jones was 50-0 when he truly lost his first fight via ko against tarver.

Kurgen22 wrote:

Wales wrote:[

I was just picking the low fruit on a ridiculous statement that we never saw him lose not even a single round in 10 years.

He lost rounds against numerous fighters, Hopkins springs to mind.

Yes, understood. Roy was probabably the most athletic fighterI ever witnessed. In a way I think that became his undoing. His technique wasn't really that solid as far as fundamentals relied on that athletic abilty to keep his hands low and avoid punches. Once he slowed down he got caught with shots that wouldnt have come near him in his prime.

what exactly are fundamentals or technic? holding, clinching, truning the head 180, wresting like great technician do..floyd, ward

the name of the game is hit and not get hit, prime roy was getting punched less than floyd or pernell, his technic is underrated. his reflexes were on another level.

Chepppaaa wrote:
what exactly are fundamentals or technic? holding, clinching, truning the head 180, wresting like great technician do..floyd, ward

the name of the game is hit and not get hit, prime roy was getting punched less than floyd or pernell, his technic is underrated. his reflexes were on another level.

Roy was unorthodox in that he fought with his hands low and constantly leaned in and exposed himself. He was NOT a true technician who held his hands up and elbows in, chin down, etc. Like you said, his reflexes were on another level. Once they were gone he was left with bad fundamentals. Thats why he will get hammered by any rated fighter he faces now.

Wales wrote:Same for Klitchko, Vargas, Toney, Holyfield, Maccarinelli, Mosley, Mayorga to name but a few.

Yep, imo any should have all past fights reversed.

They need to crack down on drug cheats. Just look at Terper, been caught twice I believe yet somehow both fights the result still stands? Ridiculous.

Wipe their past record clean, destroy their legacy and then maybe some will think twice before using PEDs.

I think he is the best most of us have ever seen and the argument can be made that a prime Roy is the GOAT.

But, no way he isn't tarnishing his legacy by continuing to fight.

And no way he can be considered still unbeaten.

Calzaghe well and truly proved that RJJ was done at top level, and that was a decade of pointless fights ago.

The issue with Roy Jones is that he would have been better retiring long ago. He was a marvellous fighter and the beat of his era, it's a real shame he still has the urge or need to fight. If he had retired after the Ruiz bout he'd have left an amazy legacy. Moving up and down in weight has done him no favours but he's pretty much shot now and nowhere near the boxer he once was.

Kurgen22 wrote:Roy Jones Lost one fight in about 15 years as a pro. A DQ while he was ahead on all scorecards. He smoked the guy in one round next time.
He never really lost a fight until his 51st tiff. I think he was 35 or 36 at he time.

Someone...can’t remember who but think it may have been on here, said Roy was the perfect fighting machine (prime). I wouldn’t disagree with that and I think prime Roy Jones would beat any equivalent UFC champion.

squiggy wrote:Calzaghe well and truly proved that RJJ was done at top level, and that was a decade of pointless fights ago.

Glen Johnson and Tarver 3 proved that. Roy Jones didn't even try to win at any point in either of those fights...2004 and 2005 respectively.

Kurgen22 wrote:Roy was unorthodox in that he fought with his hands low and constantly leaned in and exposed himself. He was NOT a true technician who held his hands up and elbows in, chin down, etc. Like you said, his reflexes were on another level. Once they were gone he was left with bad fundamentals. Thats why he will get hammered by any rated fighter he faces now.

Gone after 15 years ... isn't that enough of a prime to erase the end of his career?

I agree in terms of h2h I can't think of any boxer that would completely whoop his ass in his prime. Maybe robinson or Hagler but they'd have their hands full. No one would be able to "easily" beat him.

You get my point though? Nobody ever came CLOSE to ever beating him UNTIL he dropped 25-30lbs in a 2month period. That's where everything went

downhill my FAV RJJ clips https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_L4PeAjwk5E

Here's a question - how much weight did RJJ really lose before the Tarver fight? He weighed in at 193lb for the Ruiz fight, 18lb over the light heavyweight limit. What weight was Roy in the ring for his LHW defenses? 175lb? 180lb? 190lb?

Are people suggesting Roy was much heavier than 193lb in the ring against Ruiz - that he cut weight, potentially harming his performance just to be lighter on the scales for a fight with no weight limit?

I don't think it's like Roy lost more than 15lb for the Tarver fight, maybe nearer 10lb. That's still not a good idea at the age he did it, but people claiming a 25-30lb drop are either gullible or clueless.

tigermoth87 wrote:

Wales wrote:Same for Klitchko, Vargas, Toney, Holyfield, Maccarinelli, Mosley, Mayorga to name but a few.

Yep, imo any should have all past fights reversed.

They need to crack down on drug cheats. Just look at Terper, been caught twice I believe yet somehow both fights the result still stands? Ridiculous.

Wipe their past record clean, destroy their legacy and then maybe some will think twice before using PEDs.

Well said. People conveniently ignore RJJ's drug cheating, but for me it's his overriding legacy. He's a drug cheat, pure and simple. Forget about him as an all time great. He's disqualified.

bnovelist wrote:All the bad luck started once he quickly dropped that 25-30lbs to face the #1 contender at LHW Tarver. His 1st fight was Tarver never giving his

body time to get re-adjusted back at the weight. We never saw him lose not even a single round in 10yrs everything went downhill once he lost all

that weight so in a sense he is still undefeated for me in my opinion

You're kidding, right? I know the purpose of fora is to provoke debate but sheesh...

All of my favorite fighters ever are undefeated, too.
Whenever they lost, I just didn't count those fights, or else labeled them a win for my guy through some dumb ambiguous logic, even if he got knocked the f*ck out.
That's what's great about boxing. We can all make our own rules and record books.

tigermoth87 wrote:

Wales wrote:Same for Klitchko, Vargas, Toney, Holyfield, Maccarinelli, Mosley, Mayorga to name but a few.

Yep, imo any should have all past fights reversed.

They need to crack down on drug cheats. Just look at Terper, been caught twice I believe yet somehow both fights the result still stands? Ridiculous.

Wipe their past record clean, destroy their legacy and then maybe some will think twice before using PEDs.

was klitchco ever found to be taken peds?