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Hi all,

we all know the story, but have the victories over Adamek and Helenius helped our view of Wilder's championship reign at all?

Cheers

Col/T.M.K

Wilder is under rated and deserves more respect

3 defenses in one year, against not bad opponents is very busy.

And in HW every fight is a risk...one good punch can make all the diference

Both Adamek and Helenius are different guys now.

So, I am not sure just how much better his victories over men who beat
these inferior versions bolster Deontay's implied resume.

But, name-wise it certainly gives him a bit of an argument.

I think perhaps a better guy to point to (but only barely) is Malik Scott,
who has followed his KO loss to Wilder with Ws over Leapai and Thompson.

A mix.

Molina is dreadful and beat a completely shot and never all that good at heavyweight Adamek. It's a win that proves little

Duhaupas is better than people give credit for but, he was fighting Helenius who was a hypejob who got exposed the first time he stepped in with a decent opponent a few years ago with Chisora and hasn't looked good since then. Still a decent win though.

Both are poor defences for a world champion. Molina isn't even a top 30 fighter, Duhaupas would probably barely creep into the top 20.

tigermoth87 wrote:A mix.

Molina is dreadful and beat a completely shot and never all that good at heavyweight Adamek. It's a win that proves little

Duhaupas is better than people give credit for but, he was fighting Helenius who was a hypejob who got exposed the first time he stepped in with a decent opponent a few years ago with Chisora and hasn't looked good since then. Still a decent win though.

Both are poor defences for a world champion. Molina isn't even a top 30 fighter, Duhaupas would probably barely creep into the top 20.

Boxrec today:

Molina #19
Duhaupas #20

tigermoth87 wrote:A mix.

Molina is dreadful and beat a completely shot and never all that good at heavyweight Adamek. It's a win that proves little

Duhaupas is better than people give credit for but, he was fighting Helenius who was a hypejob who got exposed the first time he stepped in with a decent opponent a few years ago with Chisora and hasn't looked good since then. Still a decent win though.

Both are poor defences for a world champion. Molina isn't even a top 30 fighter, Duhaupas would probably barely creep into the top 20.

I agree with this. While WIlder's resume looks a little better on paper, it doesn't if you saw the fights.

Wilder picked soft touches and was exposed in victory beating both of them. If he can defeat Povetkin, then he'll get full respect, but he won't.

Not really, most of us saw this coming right?

bigman1968 wrote:

tigermoth87 wrote:A mix.

Molina is dreadful and beat a completely shot and never all that good at heavyweight Adamek. It's a win that proves little

Duhaupas is better than people give credit for but, he was fighting Helenius who was a hypejob who got exposed the first time he stepped in with a decent opponent a few years ago with Chisora and hasn't looked good since then. Still a decent win though.

Both are poor defences for a world champion. Molina isn't even a top 30 fighter, Duhaupas would probably barely creep into the top 20.

Boxrec today:

Molina #19
Duhaupas #20

Let's be honest, would you really say Molina is the 19th best heavyweight in the world?

Ahead of Chisora, Jennings, Szpilka, Chagaev, Ustinov, Granat etc?

Duhaupas rating is about right, 20th is where I'd put him.

tigermoth87 wrote:

bigman1968 wrote:

tigermoth87 wrote:A mix.

Molina is dreadful and beat a completely shot and never all that good at heavyweight Adamek. It's a win that proves little

Duhaupas is better than people give credit for but, he was fighting Helenius who was a hypejob who got exposed the first time he stepped in with a decent opponent a few years ago with Chisora and hasn't looked good since then. Still a decent win though.

Both are poor defences for a world champion. Molina isn't even a top 30 fighter, Duhaupas would probably barely creep into the top 20.

Boxrec today:

Molina #19
Duhaupas #20

Let's be honest, would you really say Molina is the 19th best heavyweight in the world?

Ahead of Chisora, Jennings, Szpilka, Chagaev, Ustinov, Granat etc?

Duhaupas rating is about right, 20th is where I'd put him.

It's very hard to rate boxers who rarely fights at all, and do not fight each other. So the Boxrec rating (and the similar ones) is all we have

The reason why people have been hating on Wilder is early on his career he was over protected , now he has proven the critics wrong

Credit were credit is due , next up is povekin what are people complaining about

pound per pound wrote:

tigermoth87 wrote:A mix.

Molina is dreadful and beat a completely shot and never all that good at heavyweight Adamek. It's a win that proves little

Duhaupas is better than people give credit for but, he was fighting Helenius who was a hypejob who got exposed the first time he stepped in with a decent opponent a few years ago with Chisora and hasn't looked good since then. Still a decent win though.

Both are poor defences for a world champion. Molina isn't even a top 30 fighter, Duhaupas would probably barely creep into the top 20.

I agree with this. While WIlder's resume looks a little better on paper, it doesn't if you saw the fights.

Wilder picked soft touches and was exposed in victory beating both of them. If he can defeat Povetkin, then he'll get full respect, but he won't.

Povetkin isn't better than Duhaupas.

Duhaupas just don't have French oligarch behind him, to buy him fixed fights in Paris

Povetkin is far superior to duhapaus


I like Wilder but be serious

Yes.

bigman1968 wrote:

pound per pound wrote:

tigermoth87 wrote:A mix.

Molina is dreadful and beat a completely shot and never all that good at heavyweight Adamek. It's a win that proves little

Duhaupas is better than people give credit for but, he was fighting Helenius who was a hypejob who got exposed the first time he stepped in with a decent opponent a few years ago with Chisora and hasn't looked good since then. Still a decent win though.

Both are poor defences for a world champion. Molina isn't even a top 30 fighter, Duhaupas would probably barely creep into the top 20.

I agree with this. While WIlder's resume looks a little better on paper, it doesn't if you saw the fights.

Wilder picked soft touches and was exposed in victory beating both of them. If he can defeat Povetkin, then he'll get full respect, but he won't.

Povetkin isn't better than Duhaupas.

Duhaupas just don't have French oligarch behind him, to buy him fixed fights in Paris

Are you joking, drunk, or do I never have to take you serious again?

Povetkin is a overrated clown with no jab , no reach and no footwork . Wilder kills this fool inside nine rounds.

Same goes for Grabimir Cinschko.

Povetkin and Klitschko are both overrated bums. They never won against a decent tall outside fighter.

Both are bums and Fury and Wilder will destroy them

Starboxer wrote:The reason why people have been hating on Wilder is early on his career he was over protected , now he has proven the critics wrong

Credit were credit is due , next up is povekin what are people complaining about

Early in his career? He was literally fighting Jason Gavern 5 fights and 18 months ago.

Taki... wrote:

Starboxer wrote:The reason why people have been hating on Wilder is early on his career he was over protected , now he has proven the critics wrong

Credit were credit is due , next up is povekin what are people complaining about

Early in his career? He was literally fighting Jason Gavern 5 fights and 18 months ago.

And Joshua fought the same Gavern just last year. Before that I believe Wilder had Liakovich, Scott, Firtha, Harrison, and a couple younger undefeated guys. After Gavern he fought Stiverne, so probably a tune up. None of the above guys are great fighters, but several have been in with some of the best, so the experience he got from it was good.

No one that I know of has bragged about Wilder's resume, but I do think he was brought along at the right pace, considering his very limited amateur experience. Wilder has beaten two guys now that have beat Adamek. He may be on his way out now, but one of them was 2 years ago. (Szpilka) Hopefully his resume will continue to get better.

They don't look worse, but Adamek was no longer Top 20 anymore, and Helenius was on the low end of the Top 20 so though these were good wins by the standard of Molina and Duhaupas they weren't all that big in the scheme of things.

Duhaupas yes, but not Molina; Adamek has been past it for years and IMO something like that was waiting to happen. Adamek was also well ahead and for the most part Molina looked just as poor as people thought he was.

Duhaupus looks mildly better now. More like a #19ish guy than a #25ish guy.

Wilder's win over Molina doesn't look much better. It was not a fight at all. Not to mention that Adamek has been on his way down for a few years. Adamek was more declined last night than he was when he lost to Szpilka and Glazkov, and Molina needed to come from behind to win it. Also, Arreola still steamrolled Molina in 1 round. So I'd say that Wilder's win over Molina is still a complete non-factor when compared to more relevant wins like that of Szpilka.

Badhusker wrote:

Taki... wrote:

Starboxer wrote:The reason why people have been hating on Wilder is early on his career he was over protected , now he has proven the critics wrong

Credit were credit is due , next up is povekin what are people complaining about

Early in his career? He was literally fighting Jason Gavern 5 fights and 18 months ago.

And Joshua fought the same Gavern just last year. Before that I believe Wilder had Liakovich, Scott, Firtha, Harrison, and a couple younger undefeated guys. After Gavern he fought Stiverne, so probably a tune up. None of the above guys are great fighters, but several have been in with some of the best, so the experience he got from it was good.

No one that I know of has bragged about Wilder's resume, but I do think he was brought along at the right pace, considering his very limited amateur experience. Wilder has beaten two guys now that have beat Adamek. He may be on his way out now, but one of them was 2 years ago. (Szpilka) Hopefully his resume will continue to get better.

None of the fighters you mention are much more than fodder for prospects. Adamek should've retired half a decade ago.
And how many years of being a professional boxer does Wilder need to have before 'limited amateur experience' stops being an excuse? 10, 15, 20?

Only Duhaupas. Adamek is beyond shot; although, Helenius was coming off a long layoff. He's by all means shot as well, but it was surprising. Molina and Adamek were very even until the KO. It's pretty bad struggling against a shot Adamek.

conty22 wrote:Povetkin is a overrated clown with no jab , no reach and no footwork . Wilder kills this fool inside nine rounds.

Same goes for Grabimir Cinschko.

Povetkin and Klitschko are both overrated bums. They never won against a decent tall outside fighter.

Both are bums and Fury and Wilder will destroy them

They might nowadays, but when they had the same age? I very much doubt it.

Mexi-Box wrote:Only Duhaupas. Adamek is beyond shot; although, Helenius was coming off a long layoff. He's by all means shot as well, but it was surprising. Molina and Adamek were very even until the KO. It's pretty bad struggling against a shot Adamek.

Adamek was winning most rounds by far... He just isn't a big puncher, he clearly isn't a natural heavyweight.