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With Ramirez showing us skills that few expected & Groves having his strongest showing in a while (against limited opposition) - on top of Callums demolition job last weekend - how do you have the top ten Super Middles in the world?

1. James DeGale
2. Badou Jack
3. Gilberto Ramirez
4. George Groves
5. Felix Sturm
6. Fedor Chudinov
7. Anthony Dirrell
8. Andre Dirrell
9. Lucian Bute
10. Martin Murray

11. Arthur Abraham
12. Robert Stieglitz
13. Callum Smith
14. Rogelio Medina
15. Giovanni De Carolis

1 - Degale
2 - Smith
3 - Ramirez
4 - Jack
5 - Andre Dirrel
6 - Anthony Dirrel
7 - Groves
8 - Abraham
9 - Sturm
10 - Murray
11 - Chudinov
12 - Bute

1. James DeGale
2. Badou Jack
3. Gilberto Ramirez
4. George Groves
5. Anthony Dirrel
6. Andre Dirrel
7. Arthur Abraham
8. Felix Sturm
9. Fedor Chudinov
10. Martin Murray

Hmm. I've not followed it as closely as I used to but I'd say:

1.) James Degale.
2.) Badou Jack.
3.) Gilberto Ramirez
4.) Andre Dirrell
5.) Callum Smith
6.) George Groves
7.) Felix Sturm
8.) Chudinov
9.) Abraham.
10.) Martin Murray

With guys like Ward, Froch and Kessler gone the division looked pretty weak, made up of losers and also rans. But the rise of Degale, Jack's resurrection, the emergence of Smith and now Ramirez dethroning Abraham, maybe it is the start of a new beginning. Between them Jack and Degale are slowly building decent resumes.

Not sure how anyone can have Sturm above Chudinov.

expe wrote:Not sure how anyone can have Sturm above Chudinov.

I know what you mean but officially Sturm has the win and that's why he's getting ranked over him.

not sure how anybody can have Callum Smith top-10, he hasn't mixed it with any of the top guys in the division...

Horse wrote:1. James DeGale
2. Badou Jack
3. Gilberto Ramirez
4. George Groves
5. Felix Sturm
6. Fedor Chudinov
7. Anthony Dirrell
8. Andre Dirrell
9. Lucian Bute
10. Martin Murray

11. Arthur Abraham
12. Robert Stieglitz
13. Callum Smith
14. Rogelio Medina
15. Giovanni De Carolis

What made you put Anthony above Andre? B

Hinchy70 wrote:What made you put Anthony above Andre? B

Better opposition and wins over the last 6 years.

Its a nice division, very even.

1) Ramirez
2) Jack
3) DeGale
4) Groves
5) Sturm
6) Chudinov
7) Andre Dirrel
8) Anthony Dirrel
9) Abraham
10) Bute
11) C Smith.

Not many division in which 2 and 8 fought to a very close decision which could have gone either way and 3 and 10 was a very competitive, close, fight.

Thanks for the responses, chaps.

I could well be overreacting to last nights win but Ramirez sounds like the real deal. Still young but completely composed with all round skill.

Who knows, maybe he'll challenge Canelo for the 155 pound middleweight title

stujones wrote:Its a nice division, very even.

1) Ramirez
2) Jack
3) DeGale
4) Groves
5) Sturm
6) Chudinov
7) Andre Dirrel
8) Anthony Dirrel
9) Abraham
10) Bute
11) C Smith.

Not many division in which 2 and 8 fought to a very close decision which could have gone either way and 3 and 10 was a very competitive, close, fight.

Are you seriously saying one win against a shopworn Arthur Abraham allows Ramirez to jump straight to No.1? Not a chance.

RJP wrote:

stujones wrote:Its a nice division, very even.

1) Ramirez
2) Jack
3) DeGale
4) Groves
5) Sturm
6) Chudinov
7) Andre Dirrel
8) Anthony Dirrel
9) Abraham
10) Bute
11) C Smith.

Not many division in which 2 and 8 fought to a very close decision which could have gone either way and 3 and 10 was a very competitive, close, fight.

Are you seriously saying one win against a shopworn Arthur Abraham allows Ramirez to jump straight to No.1? Not a chance.

That's the beauty of lists, mate. It's all about the individual's point of view.

I'd have Degale first but Ramirez just won EVERY round over the longest serving (on & off) champion so I have no problem with someone having him first.

Will be interesting to see if Ramirez fights tough or takes the early Calzaghe route.

Who is Ramirez promoted/managed/guided by?

Is it someone open to big fights or just someone who wants to make some easy money?

Taansend wrote:Who is Ramirez promoted/managed/guided by?

Is it someone open to big fights or just someone who wants to make some easy money?

As in every boxing promotions company on the face of the planet....

davie wrote:

Taansend wrote:Who is Ramirez promoted/managed/guided by?

Is it someone open to big fights or just someone who wants to make some easy money?

As in every boxing promotions company on the face of the planet....

True, but there are levels.

FW will just milk a title for all it's worth whereas EH will push for big fights (if he can make big money).

FW is Frank Lopez "Hey, Tony. Remember when I told you when you first started working for me, the guys that last in this business, are the guys who fly straight. Low-key, quiet. But the guys who want it all, chicas, champagne, flash... they don't last. "

EH is Tony Montana "This town like a great big pussy just waiting to get f*cked."