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BWH Rankings as of 9 April 2016:

Champion: Tyson Fury
1. Wladimir Klitschko
2. Alexander Povetkin
3. Deontay Wilder
4. Luis Ortiz
5. Kubrat Pulev
6= Bryant Jennings
6= Carlos Takam
8= Vyacheslav Glazkov
8= Lucas Browne
10= Dereck Chisora
10= Bermane Stiverne
12. Artur Szpilka
13. Malik Scott
14. Anthony Joshua
15. Joseph Parker

Topic A - How are the rankings affected by Anthony Joshua's KO2 win over Charles Martin?

My vote: Joshua to #5, Martin remains unranked.


Note: This topic is for voting on the rankings of Joshua and Martin. Posting your own top 15 will not count as a vote. Please cast your vote in the manner that I have done above.

No rank gains because of this fight, but because of his previous fights I think he should be rank 3 of this list.
Scott, Stiverne and name them shouldn't be in and probably should never have.

I would put Joshua at #6 taking into account how bad Martin was/is.

asdfjkl wrote:No rank gains because of this fight, but because of his previous fights I think he should be rank 3 of this list.
Scott, Stiverne and name them shouldn't be in and probably should never have.

Soooo, your vote is Joshua to #3? It doesn't matter whether it's because of this fight or not, just vote the fighter to the position you believe they should occupy.

Scott got in by widely beating the then ranked Tony Thompson and he hasn't lost since.
Stiverne got in by beating the then ranked Chris Arreola, then improved his ranking by beating him again. Since then he has only lost to Wilder.
Neither of these were controversial at the time and as always, the majority ruled. However this topic isn't about those fights - the rankings of those fighters will be up for vote when they fight again.

jezzamundo wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:No rank gains because of this fight, but because of his previous fights I think he should be rank 3 of this list.
Scott, Stiverne and name them shouldn't be in and probably should never have.

Soooo, your vote is Joshua to #3? It doesn't matter whether it's because of this fight or not, just vote the fighter to the position you believe they should occupy.

Scott got in by widely beating the then ranked Tony Thompson and he hasn't lost since.
Stiverne got in by beating the then ranked Chris Arreola, then improved his ranking by beating him again. Since then he has only lost to Wilder.
Neither of these were controversial at the time and as always, the majority ruled. However this topic isn't about those fights - the rankings of those fighters will be up for vote when they fight again.

Oké, so the difference between KOing Thompson 3 times in 6 rounds, and getting Koed by Thompson but very very luckely winning anyway by a very doubtfull pointscoring match is the only difference between rank 4 and 13? For me, Scott would never survive against Parker, Whyte, Hughie, perhaps even Duhaupas, Chagaev, Granat, Long Zhang, even Briggs, or Haye.

Joshua to 5. Martin to 200

Joshua to #5, Martin unranked.

asdfjkl wrote:Oké, so the difference between KOing Thompson 3 times in 6 rounds, and getting Koed by Thompson but very very luckely winning anyway by a very doubtfull pointscoring match is the only difference between rank 4 and 13? For me, Scott would never survive against Parker, Whyte, Hughie, perhaps even Duhaupas, Chagaev, Granat, Long Zhang, even Briggs, or Haye.

That just what the majority vote threw up - for any one of us the rankings as they are have plenty of holes and anomolies (Glazkov still being top 10 for example) but all your can do is vote on what is up for vote then move on. The only things worth debating here are "does beating Whyte and Martin put Joshua above Takam and Puev?", "does being a "world champion" automatically put him above Ortiz?", "Does the fact that you think he'd beat Wilder mean you rank him higher now?" etc.

We'll have to wait for Scott and Stiverne to fight again to have this discussion, when I'll probably be on your side to be honest.

Anthony Joshua - Up to No. 10

Joshua only beat Martin. He doesn't deserve a top 5 rank just for beating a low level guy like that.

These shared rankings doing my head in.

I vote Joshua between Browne and Chisora.

Joshua to #4, Martin remains unranked.

Tarkus wrote:These shared rankings doing my head in.

I vote Joshua between Browne and Chisora.

Between Browne and Chisora? I think Browne vs Charles Martin wouldn't even get stopped within 8 rounds...

asdfjkl wrote:

Tarkus wrote:These shared rankings doing my head in.

I vote Joshua between Browne and Chisora.

Between Browne and Chisora? I think Browne vs Charles Martin wouldn't even get stopped within 8 rounds...

Perhaps but this is an achievements based ranking for me and beating fat old Chagaev ranks higher then fat young bum.

Tarkus wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

Tarkus wrote:These shared rankings doing my head in.

I vote Joshua between Browne and Chisora.

Between Browne and Chisora? I think Browne vs Charles Martin wouldn't even get stopped within 8 rounds...

Perhaps but this is an achievements based ranking for me and beating fat old Chagaev ranks higher then fat young bum.

So despite KOing Martin in two rounds, Joshua should still be ranked lower as Glazkov?

Oké, sounds logic.

Joshua to 7

asdfjkl wrote:

Tarkus wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: Between Browne and Chisora? I think Browne vs Charles Martin wouldn't even get stopped within 8 rounds...

Perhaps but this is an achievements based ranking for me and beating fat old Chagaev ranks higher then fat young bum.

So despite KOing Martin in two rounds, Joshua should still be ranked lower as Glazkov?

Oké, sounds logic.

You were asking about Browne. What Glazkov has to do with anything? If you are talking their fight, Martin never beat Glazkov. In my estimation it was no contest.

Tarkus wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

Tarkus wrote: Perhaps but this is an achievements based ranking for me and beating fat old Chagaev ranks higher then fat young bum.

So despite KOing Martin in two rounds, Joshua should still be ranked lower as Glazkov?

Oké, sounds logic.

You were asking about Browne. What Glazkov has to do with anything? If you are talking their fight, Martin never beat Glazkov. In my estimation it was no contest.

Browne and Glazkov are both ranked 8 in this awkward list ;)

asdfjkl wrote:

Tarkus wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: So despite KOing Martin in two rounds, Joshua should still be ranked lower as Glazkov?

Oké, sounds logic.

You were asking about Browne. What Glazkov has to do with anything? If you are talking their fight, Martin never beat Glazkov. In my estimation it was no contest.

Browne and Glazkov are both ranked 8 in this awkward list ;)

It is awkward but jezza insists on it.

Joshua #5

Joshua #5 or #6 definitely no higher.

He beat a weak unranked opponent. He has never beaten anyone above domestic level and he can't just get slotted in to the top 5 on that.

His ability might be top 5 but he's yet to prove that.

I'd put him behind Browne for the time being (although Glazkov has to drop down surely?)

9th looks OK to me. If he beats a Pulev/Takam type soon he can keep rising as I believe he has the ability to defeat that kind of fighter.

Joshua to #9, Martin remains unranked.

davie wrote:He beat a weak unranked opponent. He has never beaten anyone above domestic level and he can't just get slotted in to the top 5 on that.

His ability might be top 5 but he's yet to prove that.

I'd put him behind Browne for the time being (although Glazkov has to drop down surely?)

9th looks OK to me. If he beats a Pulev/Takam type soon he can keep rising as I believe he has the ability to defeat that kind of fighter.

Yeah, if I was ranking them I'd probably swap Artur Szpilka and Glazkov, given the fight they put up to what level of fighter.

BitPlayer wrote:

davie wrote:He beat a weak unranked opponent. He has never beaten anyone above domestic level and he can't just get slotted in to the top 5 on that.

His ability might be top 5 but he's yet to prove that.

I'd put him behind Browne for the time being (although Glazkov has to drop down surely?)

9th looks OK to me. If he beats a Pulev/Takam type soon he can keep rising as I believe he has the ability to defeat that kind of fighter.

Yeah, if I was ranking them I'd probably swap Artur Szpilka and Glazkov, given the fight they put up to what level of fighter.

I wouldn't be in any hurry to move Szpilka up the list either, he's fine where he is.

Just drop Glazkov down

Joshua to #6.

Tarkus wrote:These shared rankings doing my head in.

I vote Joshua between Browne and Chisora.

That's Joshua to #10 then.