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Brook and Eddie were very adamant about defending title against mandatories. Now that there is a real threat of a mandatory what will they do?

Think it will happen at the end of the year. Won't be next. Spence said he'd come over here for it so hopefully it's a goer. Fair play to the guy if he comes over for it.

Spence would embarrass Brook, so Brook will suddenly decide he's fought enough mandatories and drop the belt.

Brook will move up to light middleweight rather than fight spence

Er, unless it's a huge payday in the USA (which it wouldn't be) Fast Gay Extremely Camp Eddie will definitely duck.

It makes no business sense, to be sure, but what will be nauseating will be Hearn's excuse for Spence not taking it..... And finding any reason for Brook to duck him.

No

I used to be a fan of Brook but fighting piss poor defence after piss poor defence has soured me on him. I fully expect him to duck Spence. He'll probably jump to light-middleweight and try to weasel his way into a match with Smith if Spence is made mando.

WW is a division full of duckers unfortunately.

Brook himself would fight Spence no problem (don`´t think he`d win though) but his team and those that make money out of him would advise moving up rather than facing him.

It's one of those fights where he'd get plenty of credit from us hardcore, but not a big payday.

Unless Spence gets a massive win next, they won't take it.

Spence looks to be on a slow burn unfortunately, the rest of the Welterweights are gonna take the same approach.

Is Spence with Haymon? If so, it might be worth Haymon digging deep and getting him one of the top Welterweights out there to solidify his profile and make the other fights legitimate 'big ones'.

Spence will get made mandatory.
Kell has enough timer now to get a voluntary in - which under the rules he's perfectly entitled to do.
When his mandatory come round if its Spence game on.

I think we're getting ahead of ourselves with Errol Spence. Young hungry fighter meets name with fatal power shortage, mauls him. Is it that much different from what Shawn Porter did to Paulie Malignaggi?

I think Brook's right hand is a bit too solid & well-timed to allow Spence to swarm him the way he did Algieri.

I think Spence clearly has more skill and a bigger punch than Porter, not to mention that he's got about 3 inches in height and reach on him. He's obviously not tested yet at against a top opponent, just as Brook wasn't prior to Porter, but he strikes me as someone who will still excel when he steps up.

Hopefully we soon see him against Brook or the Porter-Thurman winner so we get a better idea.

Perhaps. Poor old Algieri though. That result over Provodnikov has brought him nothing but pain.

Tuan_Jim wrote:Perhaps. Poor old Algieri though. That result over Provodnikov has brought him nothing but pain.

True but he will have made a few dollars though

I suspect he'll take a voluntary against someone decent (they can't get away with another shit defence in their next fight) but not someone top notch.

Then when the Spence mandatory comes around they will arrange a unification or "super-fight" with Garcia or Bradley or if possible Khan at LMW and have a valid excuse for not taking the Spence fight.

I don't think they're worried as such. I just think Spence is an up and coming name, without the star pulling power. He is a risk without enough reward.

I agree with Tuan Jim however, I do think some are getting a bit too excited about Spence, I think the Spence vs Brook fight would be a hard one to call and I'd probably lean towards who ever got the fight on home soil just now.

Naandrew wrote:

Tuan_Jim wrote:Perhaps. Poor old Algieri though. That result over Provodnikov has brought him nothing but pain.

True but he will have made a few dollars though

He's only 32, hardly a spring chicken but a couple of low key wins and one more big fight I'd bet he'd be able to retire and probably not work again as long as he's careful.

Tuan_Jim wrote:I think we're getting ahead of ourselves with Errol Spence. Young hungry fighter meets name with fatal power shortage, mauls him. Is it that much different from what Shawn Porter did to Paulie Malignaggi?

I think Brook's right hand is a bit too solid & well-timed to allow Spence to swarm him the way he did Algieri.

well said.

People sound so certain he'd smash Brook, that Brook will duck him, that Spence is the truth etc, that this certainty feels a bit suspicious.

We have a supremely talented world champ, at welterweight where the big fights and big stars are made (outside of heavyweight). Now there is another exciting addition, Spence. I believe Crawford will move up and be another terrific addition. Already there's Garcia as a commodity with the angle that he destroyed Amir Khan making it tick all the boxes.

If Kell Brook moves up to light middleweight I'll be stunned.

Brook is already the biggest joke in boxing. Which is a shame because he's clearly very talented. He's almost 30 now and he's had 36 fights. His best and IMO only good opponent is Shawn Porter. I think I had Brook the winner by a single point.

If he indeed dodges Spence and throws away his title, as is the census here. Then that's a disgrace to be honest.

He'll duck and go for Cotto as they think he's way past his best. No way Brook goes anywhere near Spence.

If the Americans are big on Spence, this could be perfect. A fairly high profile opponent, willing to come to the UK, getting the interest of US TV, and fulfilling mandatory obligations with the IBF.

We know Brook can do it, as in the Porter fight.

Think Brook and Hearn want to grab the big welterweight money. This would be a decent place to start, setting up the bigger fights.

Eddie talks Brooks next opponent. http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/sp ... mmer-plans

Immediate Brook Spence is out of question. Not very enthusiastically he suggested its possible at the end of the year. He also is saying that Spence is not yet a mandatory and needs to take a final eliminator. Which is reasonable as Brook just had a mandatory defense.

Boxerbeetle wrote:Spence would embarrass Brook, so Brook will suddenly decide he's fought enough mandatories and drop the belt.

He'll move up in weight for sure.

I'm hesitant to say any fight people would like to see happens anymore. Seems like weeks and weeks and months and months of mismatches is all you get anymore. Even the big fights, ain't that big.

lefty wrote:

Boxerbeetle wrote:Spence would embarrass Brook, so Brook will suddenly decide he's fought enough mandatories and drop the belt.

He'll move up in weight for sure.

Don't think anyone "embarrasses Brook" in the WW division.

I have Kell pretty close to being the best at the weight.
And although I don't think he's unbeatable, he's too good to get embarrassed by any of the others out there.

Spence may be the real deal, but let's see if we gets some evidence of that first.

I've just watched back over Errol's last 4 fights and although he has been impressive, there are mistakes made, that he most certainly won't get away with against the top 5 in the division.
He showed against Van Heerden that he can be more composed and patient and I was very impressed with him that night.

But I'm reluctant to get too excited about the steam roller type performances against the likes of Algieri.
Taking out a guy who went the distance with Khan and Pacquiao has got some people pissing their pants but I've seen him get clipped and fight very open in those type of fights, loading up big punches.
He'll have to learn to be a lot more cautious and work on that defence, if he wants to make the step up to fight a better class of fighter and heavier punchers.

Can he do that? Very possibly but I wouldn't use the Algieri performance as some type of guaranteed yardstick to measure him against the likes of Pacquiao.
He's heavy handed and really went for Algieri, trying to make a statement. Algieri was custom made for him and let's not forget, Algieri took a beating off Manny too.
Brook would be a very different proposition to the types and levels of opponent he's been in with so far.

i thought the stoppage was premature. the yanks are creaming themselves over spence,but lets see how good he is when he,s got to take some incoming from someone who has bit of guile and power. remember jeff lacy coming over to kick joe calzaghes arse.

davie wrote:

lefty wrote:

Boxerbeetle wrote:Spence would embarrass Brook, so Brook will suddenly decide he's fought enough mandatories and drop the belt.

He'll move up in weight for sure.

Don't think anyone "embarrasses Brook" in the WW division.

I have Kell pretty close to being the best at the weight.
And although I don't think he's unbeatable, he's too good to get embarrassed by any of the others out there.

Spence may be the real deal, but let's see if we gets some evidence of that first.

I've just watched back over Errol's last 4 fights and although he has been impressive, there are mistakes made, that he most certainly won't get away with against the top 5 in the division.
He showed against Van Heerden that he can be more composed and patient and I was very impressed with him that night.

But I'm reluctant to get too excited about the steam roller type performances against the likes of Algieri.
Taking out a guy who went the distance with Khan and Pacquiao has got some people pissing their pants but I've seen him get clipped and fight very open in those type of fights, loading up big punches.
He'll have to learn to be a lot more cautious and work on that defence, if he wants to make the step up to fight a better class of fighter and heavier punchers.

Can he do that? Very possibly but I wouldn't use the Algieri performance as some type of guaranteed yardstick to measure him against the likes of Pacquiao.
He's heavy handed and really went for Algieri, trying to make a statement. Algieri was custom made for him and let's not forget, Algieri took a beating off Manny too.
Brook would be a very different proposition to the types and levels of opponent he's been in with so far.

I just hope Brook (and his camp) share your confidence and take the fight.