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You notice Floyd never has anything good EVER to say about Oscar or Golden Boy? Till this very day almost 10yrs after their fight Floyd won't have

anything nice to say about Oscar & I know where it comes from. Floyd is extremely smart in terms of boxing IQ. Very smart! I feel he knows deep

down prime for prime De La Hoya would have beaten him. I believe so as well as awesome as Floyd has been but a prime Oscar was really something

else. He could box, he could bang, he could recover fast. great stamina, knew how to steal rounds, and would push the

championship rounds to really impress the judges. Floyd ain't stupid he KNOWS that a prime Oscar would have decisioned him PRIME for PRIME.

At one time Oscar looked unbeatable even when Tito got that bs decision EVERYONE in the sports bar that night were shocked seeing Oscar

actually lose a fight everyone around that time was high on De La Hoya! The Oscar that fought Quartey and

Pernell? As great as Floyd has been I can't see him beating that version of De La Hoya! De La Hoya is actually the best WW since the days of

SSL, Hearns, & Duran NOT Mayweather! It's Oscar!

I don't know if it's the reason for any dislike or disrespect, but I agree that a prime welterweight De La Hoya beats a prime welterweight Floyd - I like Oscar to win a close, somewhat disputed decision. Of course, welterweight wasn't Floyd's best weight, so it's not exactly a fair comparison - I rate Floyd higher in a p4p sense.

If they were judging that fight as they did in the '60s '70s and '80s the Oscar did beat Floyd in a close but clear decision.

Oscar really blasted Floyd before the fight - called him a spoiled brat and other insults - the fight looked like a con job - a set up to pass the torch to Floyd and of course Floyd became part of Golden Boy so it was in Oscar's interests to lose to Floyd and promote Floyd's future fights - not unlike when he "lost" to Hopkins and shortly after the fight began promoting Hopkins - Floyd and Oscar were supposed to have a rematch but Floyd fake retired to duck it - perhaps Oscar was supposed to win the rematch - one thing is for sure Floyd and Oscar have never buried the hatchet -

Oscar legitimately beats Floyd at no weight. He got a judges card in the fight they had despite the fact that Floyd was carrying him the second half of the fight. In his prime at Welter, he'd make Floyd fight more, but still have the same periods of doing nothing like he did against Quartey. Robbery is his only chance from 30-54.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Oscar legitimately beats Floyd at no weight.

In his prime at Welter, he'd make Floyd fight more, but still have the same periods of doing nothing like he did against Quartey. Robbery is his only chance from 30-54.

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There it is. Oscar, not a thinking fighter, being made to think, is his basic stylistic nightmare, at any point in his career.

Counter-puncher wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Oscar legitimately beats Floyd at no weight.

In his prime at Welter, he'd make Floyd fight more, but still have the same periods of doing nothing like he did against Quartey. Robbery is his only chance from 30-54.

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There it is. Oscar, not a thinking fighter, being made to think, is his basic stylistic nightmare, at any point in his career.

floyd is angry cause oscar made floyd

what was floyd before hoya-mayweather? a very good boxer with terrible ppv numbers. oscar made him a ppv superstar. floyd should be thankful.

Chepppaaa wrote:floyd is angry cause oscar made floyd

what was floyd before hoya-mayweather? a very good boxer with terrible ppv numbers. oscar made him a ppv superstar. floyd should be thankful.

exactly - floyd is a spoiled brat ingrate with no class -

Amazing how strong the Floyd hate burns. He was bigger than Oscar could ever dream of being. No doubt he took that torch, but Floyd accounted a lot of those buys on his own. People want to act like an Oscar/Baldomir fight would have broke the bank.

If anything, oscar is jealous because Floyd was greater and made more money. Oscar should be glad that Floyd broke him off some chips for non promoting his fights.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Amazing how strong the Floyd hate burns. He was bigger than Oscar could ever dream of being. No doubt he took that torch, but Floyd accounted a lot of those buys on his own. People want to act like an Oscar/Baldomir fight would have broke the bank.

If anything, oscar is jealous because Floyd was greater and made more money. Oscar should be glad that Floyd broke him off some chips for non promoting his fights.

come on man. you cant be serious.

oscar was the big shot, he was the super star, before oscar floyd was nothing. people didnt care for floyd. they were interrested in him when he beat oscar. without the hoya mayweather fight, he would have continued to be the boxer nobody cared of, oscar put him on the screen. what did baldomir, judah or gatti fight made? nothing. after oscar, than came the big names, than the money wwe persona etc.

Chepppaaa wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Amazing how strong the Floyd hate burns. He was bigger than Oscar could ever dream of being. No doubt he took that torch, but Floyd accounted a lot of those buys on his own. People want to act like an Oscar/Baldomir fight would have broke the bank.

If anything, oscar is jealous because Floyd was greater and made more money. Oscar should be glad that Floyd broke him off some chips for non promoting his fights.

come on man. you cant be serious.

oscar was the big shot, he was the super star, before oscar floyd was nothing. people didnt care for floyd. they were interrested in him when he beat oscar. without the hoya mayweather fight, he would have continued to be the boxer nobody cared of, oscar put him on the screen. what did baldomir, judah or gatti fight made? nothing. after oscar, than came the big names, than the money wwe persona etc.

Floyd knew he could make bank with Oscar, that's why he bought himself out of his contract with Arum. There's a reason that fight did a million more than any Oscar PPV ever did.The Oscar fight definitely took him to a higher level, but even Hatton only did 900k. His persona and people like yourself drove him through the stratosphere. Just stick to be a boxing expert, you have no clue about the business side.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Amazing how strong the Floyd hate burns. He was bigger than Oscar could ever dream of being. No doubt he took that torch, but Floyd accounted a lot of those buys on his own. People want to act like an Oscar/Baldomir fight would have broke the bank.

If anything, oscar is jealous because Floyd was greater and made more money. Oscar should be glad that Floyd broke him off some chips for non promoting his fights.

come on man. you cant be serious.

oscar was the big shot, he was the super star, before oscar floyd was nothing. people didnt care for floyd. they were interrested in him when he beat oscar. without the hoya mayweather fight, he would have continued to be the boxer nobody cared of, oscar put him on the screen. what did baldomir, judah or gatti fight made? nothing. after oscar, than came the big names, than the money wwe persona etc.

Floyd knew he could make bank with Oscar, that's why he bought himself out of his contract with Arum. There's a reason that fight did a million more than any Oscar PPV ever did.The Oscar fight definitely took him to a higher level, but even Hatton only did 900k. His persona and people like yourself drove him through the stratosphere. Just stick to be a boxing expert, you have no clue about the business side.

wtf has hatton to do with the subject,w hat 900k

floyds win over oscar made him a star, floyd having 0 losses made him a star, floyds trash talking money wwe persona made him a star

all parts wh floyd became a star, but the biggest was oscar. oscar was the mega star, hoya trinidad did 1,4 in 1999 when there wasnt much internet, youtube, ppv 24/7 etc around, with all that media it would have made 2-3! oscar was the man, deal with it or not.

bnovelist wrote:You notice Floyd never has anything good EVER to say about Oscar or Golden Boy? Till this very day almost 10yrs after their fight Floyd won't have

anything nice to say about Oscar & I know where it comes from. Floyd is extremely smart in terms of boxing IQ. Very smart! I feel he knows deep

down prime for prime De La Hoya would have beaten him. I believe so as well as awesome as Floyd has been but a prime Oscar was really something

else. He could box, he could bang, he could recover fast. great stamina, knew how to steal rounds, and would push the

championship rounds to really impress the judges. Floyd ain't stupid he KNOWS that a prime Oscar would have decisioned him PRIME for PRIME.

At one time Oscar looked unbeatable even when Tito got that bs decision EVERYONE in the sports bar that night were shocked seeing Oscar

actually lose a fight everyone around that time was high on De La Hoya! The Oscar that fought Quartey and

Pernell? As great as Floyd has been I can't see him beating that version of De La Hoya! De La Hoya is actually the best WW since the days of

SSL, Hearns, & Duran NOT Mayweather! It's Oscar!

Look, I have a hard time missing a Floyd Blanket party but I can't pack my pillow case with soap and start swinging on this one. Oscar stays up at night thinking about how he was too old to keep up with Floyd that night. Had they both fought in their prime, I say Oscar wins that fight.

1. Because he almost did it when he was over the hill in that fight. I had Floyd winning the last two rounds to snake the victory away from Oscar.

2. Oscar was so beloved in his prime prior to the fishnet incident that he would have gotten the judges favor in an even round on the cards.

But let's be honest here. Oscar has been trying to promote the boxer that beat Floyd for years. He's lost badly on every occasion. He's preached and moaned about this guy beating Floyd and that guy finally beating Floyd but he wasn't even close. If i'm Floyd, i'm continually going to whip that mule every change i get because Oscar hasn't hid from his outright desire to see Floyd lose. Oscar will say in one interview how Floyd is the greatest...then the next day, he's talking about how Berto shoudl have beat him. Come on man. Lose with the grace and pick some other beefs. You lost this one yo.

Chepppaaa wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:

come on man. you cant be serious.

oscar was the big shot, he was the super star, before oscar floyd was nothing. people didnt care for floyd. they were interrested in him when he beat oscar. without the hoya mayweather fight, he would have continued to be the boxer nobody cared of, oscar put him on the screen. what did baldomir, judah or gatti fight made? nothing. after oscar, than came the big names, than the money wwe persona etc.

Floyd knew he could make bank with Oscar, that's why he bought himself out of his contract with Arum. There's a reason that fight did a million more than any Oscar PPV ever did.The Oscar fight definitely took him to a higher level, but even Hatton only did 900k. His persona and people like yourself drove him through the stratosphere. Just stick to be a boxing expert, you have no clue about the business side.

wtf has hatton to do with the subject,w hat 900k

floyds win over oscar made him a star, floyd having 0 losses made him a star, floyds trash talking money wwe persona made him a star

all parts wh floyd became a star, but the biggest was oscar. oscar was the mega star, hoya trinidad did 1,4 in 1999 when there wasnt much internet, youtube, ppv 24/7 etc around, with all that media it would have made 2-3! oscar was the man, deal with it or not.

Yup, clueless. Though you do manage to agree with points I make while you think you're arguing. That's some sort of rare gift.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
Floyd knew he could make bank with Oscar, that's why he bought himself out of his contract with Arum. There's a reason that fight did a million more than any Oscar PPV ever did.The Oscar fight definitely took him to a higher level, but even Hatton only did 900k. His persona and people like yourself drove him through the stratosphere. Just stick to be a boxing expert, you have no clue about the business side.

wtf has hatton to do with the subject,w hat 900k

floyds win over oscar made him a star, floyd having 0 losses made him a star, floyds trash talking money wwe persona made him a star

all parts wh floyd became a star, but the biggest was oscar. oscar was the mega star, hoya trinidad did 1,4 in 1999 when there wasnt much internet, youtube, ppv 24/7 etc around, with all that media it would have made 2-3! oscar was the man, deal with it or not.

Yup, clueless. Though you do manage to agree with points I make while you think you're arguing. That's some sort of rare gift.

i dont argue that his money wwe persona made him a star. but thats 1 fourth of what made him a megastar, half of it was the oscar fight. the other part his persona and his 0 loss record-

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Oscar legitimately beats Floyd at no weight. He got a judges card in the fight they had despite the fact that Floyd was carrying him the second half of the fight. In his prime at Welter, he'd make Floyd fight more, but still have the same periods of doing nothing like he did against Quartey. Robbery is his only chance from 30-54.

When we agree, we really agree.

That DLH would have gotten soundly outboxed by Floyd, but he would have kept coming forward all night. And with increased desperation as the fight went on. However, the huge counters Floyd would land against an over-aggressive DLH would have been the lasting image, like Williams/Lara.

maybe Haymon had the fishnet photos of Oscar and used them to force him to fight Floyd which then became a scripted business transaction -

Floyd has always been kind of jealous of Oscar and even though he's surpassed him, I still think he's never got over it because Oscar DID achieve the one thing that Floyd, earned or not, can never say he has.....an Olympic gold medal.

IKSRTFO wrote:Floyd has always been kind of jealous of Oscar and even though he's surpassed him, I still think he's never got over it because Oscar DID achieve the one thing that Floyd, earned or not, can never say he has.....an Olympic gold medal.

Yeah, I bet that really niggles him, while he's counting his 300 plus million.

Rexob wrote:

IKSRTFO wrote:Floyd has always been kind of jealous of Oscar and even though he's surpassed him, I still think he's never got over it because Oscar DID achieve the one thing that Floyd, earned or not, can never say he has.....an Olympic gold medal.

Yeah, I bet that really niggles him, while he's counting his 300 plus million.

It absolutely bothers him.

IKSRTFO wrote:

Rexob wrote:

IKSRTFO wrote:Floyd has always been kind of jealous of Oscar and even though he's surpassed him, I still think he's never got over it because Oscar DID achieve the one thing that Floyd, earned or not, can never say he has.....an Olympic gold medal.

Yeah, I bet that really niggles him, while he's counting his 300 plus million.

It absolutely bothers him.

I guess huge Floyd fans like yourself never got to see him lose so now you spend your days manufacturing psychological defeats.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

IKSRTFO wrote:

Rexob wrote:

Yeah, I bet that really niggles him, while he's counting his 300 plus million.

It absolutely bothers him.

I guess huge Floyd fans like yourself never got to see him lose so now you spend your days manufacturing psychological defeats.

It wasn't psychological. He didn't win the gold medal. Whether he deserved it or not is debatable but the fact is Floyd didn't win the gold medal that Oscar did 4 years earlier. Because of this, Oscar was a household name before he even turned pro and Floyd was fighting in small venues for peanuts for years and that is a FACT.

IKSRTFO wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

IKSRTFO wrote:
It absolutely bothers him.

I guess huge Floyd fans like yourself never got to see him lose so now you spend your days manufacturing psychological defeats.

It wasn't psychological. He didn't win the gold medal. Whether he deserved it or not is debatable but the fact is Floyd didn't win the gold medal that Oscar did 4 years earlier. Because of this, Oscar was a household name before he even turned pro and Floyd was fighting in small venues for peanuts for years and that is a FACT.

IKSRTFO wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

IKSRTFO wrote:
It absolutely bothers him.

I guess huge Floyd fans like yourself never got to see him lose so now you spend your days manufacturing psychological defeats.

It wasn't psychological. He didn't win the gold medal. Whether he deserved it or not is debatable but the fact is Floyd didn't win the gold medal that Oscar did 4 years earlier. Because of this, Oscar was a household name before he even turned pro and Floyd was fighting in small venues for peanuts for years and that is a FACT.

Not even 2 years into his Pro career Floyd was already a World Champion and Ring Magazine's 1998 Fighter of the Year, and THAT my friend is an actual fact. Not one I pulled out of my ass like you.