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Personally, these are my wishful fights for GGG after he takes out Wade. Saunders is a solid skilled middleweight with two good wins over Eubank Jr and Andy Lee. Ramirez is another good option for GGG, having a good win over Abraham where he won the smw WBO title. Besides, Ramirez is a mexican fighter and a win over him could give GGG more good vibes from the mexican boxing fans and build up a much bigger demand for Golovkin vs Canelo fight.

I personally do think they are both better than Canelo. I think Jacobs is the riskier fight as he has power and has fast hands. I do think GGG would waste Jacobs in 3 rounds though but it would be fun while it lasted.

The problem is getting them in the ring with Golovkin. I think Ramirez would be willing at super middle but Saunders said no to big money, a career high payday, then waites untill Golovkin-Wade is signed before calling him out. That punk should be stripped of his "world title". I do agree that they would make for better fights than the good, but over rated, Canelo with his low work rate, single punches and flat footed plodding.

Naandrew wrote:I personally do think they are both better than Canelo. I think Jacobs is the riskier fight as he has power and has fast hands. I do think GGG would waste Jacobs in 3 rounds though but it would be fun while it lasted.

Jacobs has power but he's chiny as feather-fisted Mora proved. The big question is why WBA doesn't enforce Jacobs as GGG's mandatory challenger ? It's very weird.

dberry wrote:The problem is getting them in the ring with Golovkin. I think Ramirez would be willing at super middle but Saunders said no to big money, a career high payday, then waites untill Golovkin-Wade is signed before calling him out. That punk should be stripped of his "world title". I do agree that they would make for better fights than the good, but over rated, Canelo with his low work rate, single punches and flat footed plodding.

Saunders wants to fight GGG in UK hoping he'd do a running marathon for 12 rounds and somehow win a decision. IMO it doesn't matter where the fight happens because Golovkin would still stop Saunders. I think Saunders doesn't really want to fight GGG and all he's doing is yapping around to keep his name relevant to the media. Saunders wants a second fight with Eubank Jr which I think he may lose it and then get butthurted for not taking that fat payday offered by team GGG.

As for Ramirez, I think this fight makes more sense for GGG because a win over a young mexican champion would draw lots of interest from the mexican boxing fans. My questions are how Golovkin would carry his power,speed and stamina @ 168 lbs and if this call out from Ramirez is not just a bluff like Lara does ?

apollo creed wrote:

dberry wrote:The problem is getting them in the ring with Golovkin. I think Ramirez would be willing at super middle but Saunders said no to big money, a career high payday, then waites untill Golovkin-Wade is signed before calling him out. That punk should be stripped of his "world title". I do agree that they would make for better fights than the good, but over rated, Canelo with his low work rate, single punches and flat footed plodding.

Saunders wants to fight GGG in UK hoping he'd do a running marathon for 12 rounds and somehow win a decision. IMO it doesn't matter where the fight happens because Golovkin would still stop Saunders. I think Saunders doesn't really want to fight GGG and all he's doing is yapping around to keep his name relevant to the media. Saunders wants a second fight with Eubank Jr which I think he may lose it and then get butthurted for not taking that fat payday offered by team GGG.

As for Ramirez, I think this fight makes more sense for GGG because a win over a young mexican champion would draw lots of interest from the mexican boxing fans. My questions are how Golovkin would carry his power,speed and stamina @ 168 lbs and if this call out from Ramirez is not just a bluff like Lara does ?

I think if Golovkin doesn't do anything stupid like try to put size on then he would be just as dangerous at SMW as he is at middle, he'll just be the smaller fighter, as he is at middle any way. I don't think that'll matter too much, his style doesn't rely on being physically stronger or bigger.
Saunders really should take the money and fight GGG, he is the best middleweight fight for Golovkin atm. I don't really look forward to Golovkin-Canelo and I think the talk of Golovkin-Lara is just rediculous.

dberry wrote:

apollo creed wrote:

dberry wrote:The problem is getting them in the ring with Golovkin. I think Ramirez would be willing at super middle but Saunders said no to big money, a career high payday, then waites untill Golovkin-Wade is signed before calling him out. That punk should be stripped of his "world title". I do agree that they would make for better fights than the good, but over rated, Canelo with his low work rate, single punches and flat footed plodding.

Saunders wants to fight GGG in UK hoping he'd do a running marathon for 12 rounds and somehow win a decision. IMO it doesn't matter where the fight happens because Golovkin would still stop Saunders. I think Saunders doesn't really want to fight GGG and all he's doing is yapping around to keep his name relevant to the media. Saunders wants a second fight with Eubank Jr which I think he may lose it and then get butthurted for not taking that fat payday offered by team GGG.

As for Ramirez, I think this fight makes more sense for GGG because a win over a young mexican champion would draw lots of interest from the mexican boxing fans. My questions are how Golovkin would carry his power,speed and stamina @ 168 lbs and if this call out from Ramirez is not just a bluff like Lara does ?

I think if Golovkin doesn't do anything stupid like try to put size on then he would be just as dangerous at SMW as he is at middle, he'll just be the smaller fighter, as he is at middle any way. I don't think that'll matter too much, his style doesn't rely on being physically stronger or bigger.
Saunders really should take the money and fight GGG, he is the best middleweight fight for Golovkin atm. I don't really look forward to Golovkin-Canelo and I think the talk of Golovkin-Lara is just rediculous.

GGG walks around 170-175 lbs between fights, so it would be much easy to make the weight for smw. The thing is Ramirez would probably be 180+ lbs in fight night and that plays a major factor along with his height and reach. But if Golovkin beats him then it would be a big statement.

apollo creed wrote:

Naandrew wrote:I personally do think they are both better than Canelo. I think Jacobs is the riskier fight as he has power and has fast hands. I do think GGG would waste Jacobs in 3 rounds though but it would be fun while it lasted.

Jacobs has power but he's chiny as feather-fisted Mora proved. The big question is why WBA doesn't enforce Jacobs as GGG's mandatory challenger ? It's very weird.

Because WBA can be bribed, and Haymon doesn't want GGG to flatten Jacobs. Jacobs fights Lee next.

ikorolev wrote:

apollo creed wrote:

Naandrew wrote:I personally do think they are both better than Canelo. I think Jacobs is the riskier fight as he has power and has fast hands. I do think GGG would waste Jacobs in 3 rounds though but it would be fun while it lasted.

Jacobs has power but he's chiny as feather-fisted Mora proved. The big question is why WBA doesn't enforce Jacobs as GGG's mandatory challenger ? It's very weird.

Because WBA can be bribed, and Haymon doesn't want GGG to flatten Jacobs. Jacobs fights Lee next.

Why not Eubank Jr ? Jacobs is gonna be feasted with a fine selection of handpicked cherries.

BJS could put up a good fight, but he needs to get his fitness better so he doesn't slow too much later on, I think his diet is better now which should help, since BJS doesn't have the power to knock out GGG

BitPlayer wrote:BJS could put up a good fight, but he needs to get his fitness better so he doesn't slow too much later on, I think his diet is better now which should help, since BJS doesn't have the power to knock out GGG

Billy is the second best mw after Golovkin. The problem is he prices himself out when it comes to fight GGG.

Both BJS and Warren are talking a lot about readiness to fight Golovkin lately. Warren just said that if Canelo passes, then BJS will agree to figh

Saunders wouldn't be a bigger test than either Canelo or Jacobs I don't think, but if the fight winds up getting made I'm all for it.

ikorolev wrote:Both BJS and Warren are talking a lot about readiness to fight Golovkin lately. Warren just said that if Canelo passes, then BJS will agree to figh

I warrant they will want a shed load of money. No matter what BJS or Warren say publicly, they must surely know in their heart of hearts that he'd be a very big underdog, and would most likely lose widely. That's no knock on BJS, Golovkin is ruthless and efficient, and hits hard with everything he lands.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

ikorolev wrote:Both BJS and Warren are talking a lot about readiness to fight Golovkin lately. Warren just said that if Canelo passes, then BJS will agree to figh

I warrant they will want a shed load of money. No matter what BJS or Warren say publicly, they must surely know in their heart of hearts that he'd be a very big underdog, and would most likely lose widely. That's no knock on BJS, Golovkin is ruthless and efficient, and hits hard with everything he lands.

Yeah, they would probably demand 3-4 millions of british pounds and the fight to take place in UK. Saunders ain't cheap.

apollo creed wrote:Personally, these are my wishful fights for GGG after he takes out Wade. Saunders is a solid skilled middleweight with two good wins over Eubank Jr and Andy Lee. Ramirez is another good option for GGG, having a good win over Abraham where he won the smw WBO title. Besides, Ramirez is a mexican fighter and a win over him could give GGG more good vibes from the mexican boxing fans and build up a much bigger demand for Golovkin vs Canelo fight.

Rameriez fights at 168. Do you know anything about weight divisions??

gilgamesh wrote:Saunders wouldn't be a bigger test than either Canelo or Jacobs I don't think, but if the fight winds up getting made I'm all for it.

Saunders was offered the fight for 3 to 4 million bucks at minimum but said the fight would have to be in the UK along with some other demands. The bottom line is that he like everyone else does not want the fight.

apollo creed wrote:

dberry wrote:

apollo creed wrote:
Saunders wants to fight GGG in UK hoping he'd do a running marathon for 12 rounds and somehow win a decision. IMO it doesn't matter where the fight happens because Golovkin would still stop Saunders. I think Saunders doesn't really want to fight GGG and all he's doing is yapping around to keep his name relevant to the media. Saunders wants a second fight with Eubank Jr which I think he may lose it and then get butthurted for not taking that fat payday offered by team GGG.

As for Ramirez, I think this fight makes more sense for GGG because a win over a young mexican champion would draw lots of interest from the mexican boxing fans. My questions are how Golovkin would carry his power,speed and stamina @ 168 lbs and if this call out from Ramirez is not just a bluff like Lara does ?

I think if Golovkin doesn't do anything stupid like try to put size on then he would be just as dangerous at SMW as he is at middle, he'll just be the smaller fighter, as he is at middle any way. I don't think that'll matter too much, his style doesn't rely on being physically stronger or bigger.
Saunders really should take the money and fight GGG, he is the best middleweight fight for Golovkin atm. I don't really look forward to Golovkin-Canelo and I think the talk of Golovkin-Lara is just rediculous.

GGG walks around 170-175 lbs between fights, so it would be much easy to make the weight for smw. The thing is Ramirez would probably be 180+ lbs in fight night and that plays a major factor along with his height and reach. But if Golovkin beats him then it would be a big statement.

It does not matter what you walk around at it matters what you get down to and can get down to on a fight night. GGG is not going up to 168 so it is pointless to talk about. Talk about 160. He fights at 160.

Lancenix wrote: It does not matter what you walk around at it matters what you get down to and can get down to on a fight night. GGG is not going up to 168 so it is pointless to talk about. Talk about 160. He fights at 160.

Loefler does talk about Ramirez and DeGale being options if Canelo and BJS keep ducking. Golovkin would go back to 160 after that.

ikorolev wrote:

Lancenix wrote: It does not matter what you walk around at it matters what you get down to and can get down to on a fight night. GGG is not going up to 168 so it is pointless to talk about. Talk about 160. He fights at 160.

Loefler does talk about Ramirez and DeGale being options if Canelo and BJS keep ducking. Golovkin would go back to 160 after that.

Yep, GGG's promoter is taking in consideration for GGG to fight Ramirez and DeGale @ 168 lbs then come down if they can't get Saunders, Canelo or Jacobs.

ikorolev wrote:

Lancenix wrote: It does not matter what you walk around at it matters what you get down to and can get down to on a fight night. GGG is not going up to 168 so it is pointless to talk about. Talk about 160. He fights at 160.

Loefler does talk about Ramirez and DeGale being options if Canelo and BJS keep ducking. Golovkin would go back to 160 after that.

That is not gonna happen and shouldn't happen. Sanchez and GGG are pretty insistent that they want to unify the middleweight division. GGG does not have the measurables for 168. Stick to talking about 160. It is not his fault that no one wants to fight him so all the posters have to move him up weight divisions until someone does. It is just beyond silly. Let us see what happens tonight and go from there. Soon people will have him fighting Fury.

apollo creed wrote:

ikorolev wrote:

Lancenix wrote: It does not matter what you walk around at it matters what you get down to and can get down to on a fight night. GGG is not going up to 168 so it is pointless to talk about. Talk about 160. He fights at 160.

Loefler does talk about Ramirez and DeGale being options if Canelo and BJS keep ducking. Golovkin would go back to 160 after that.

Yep, GGG's promoter is taking in consideration for GGG to fight Ramirez and DeGale @ 168 lbs then come down if they can't get Saunders, Canelo or Jacobs.

That is not gonna happen. GGG and Sanchez are not interested in that. His promoter does not decide.

apollo creed wrote:

ikorolev wrote:

Lancenix wrote: It does not matter what you walk around at it matters what you get down to and can get down to on a fight night. GGG is not going up to 168 so it is pointless to talk about. Talk about 160. He fights at 160.

Loefler does talk about Ramirez and DeGale being options if Canelo and BJS keep ducking. Golovkin would go back to 160 after that.

Yep, GGG's promoter is taking in consideration for GGG to fight Ramirez and DeGale @ 168 lbs then come down if they can't get Saunders, Canelo or Jacobs.

See here is what you do not understand because you have probably never boxed in your life. GGG would be giving up a 5 inch reach advantage and around 15 to 20 pounds in the ring on fight night. Why would GGG put himself at such a disadvantage?? Promoters just say that stuff to insult the rest of the MW division in hopes of insulting them into a fight. Rameriez is closer to a 175 fighter than a 160 fighter. I could see him looking towards the 175 division soon because there may be money to be made at 175 and there is not much to make at 168. You guys have to think before you post.

dberry wrote:

apollo creed wrote:

dberry wrote:The problem is getting them in the ring with Golovkin. I think Ramirez would be willing at super middle but Saunders said no to big money, a career high payday, then waites untill Golovkin-Wade is signed before calling him out. That punk should be stripped of his "world title". I do agree that they would make for better fights than the good, but over rated, Canelo with his low work rate, single punches and flat footed plodding.

Saunders wants to fight GGG in UK hoping he'd do a running marathon for 12 rounds and somehow win a decision. IMO it doesn't matter where the fight happens because Golovkin would still stop Saunders. I think Saunders doesn't really want to fight GGG and all he's doing is yapping around to keep his name relevant to the media. Saunders wants a second fight with Eubank Jr which I think he may lose it and then get butthurted for not taking that fat payday offered by team GGG.

As for Ramirez, I think this fight makes more sense for GGG because a win over a young mexican champion would draw lots of interest from the mexican boxing fans. My questions are how Golovkin would carry his power,speed and stamina @ 168 lbs and if this call out from Ramirez is not just a bluff like Lara does ?

I think if Golovkin doesn't do anything stupid like try to put size on then he would be just as dangerous at SMW as he is at middle, he'll just be the smaller fighter, as he is at middle any way. I don't think that'll matter too much, his style doesn't rely on being physically stronger or bigger.
Saunders really should take the money and fight GGG, he is the best middleweight fight for Golovkin atm. I don't really look forward to Golovkin-Canelo and I think the talk of Golovkin-Lara is just rediculous.

He does not have the reach at 168 and it makes a HUGE difference actually. You are wrong on that point. Also the rehydration at 168 puts some of these guys at 168 around 190 on fight night. It does not make any sense at all for GGG to go there and he would not be anywhere near the guy he is at middle.

Lancenix wrote:

apollo creed wrote:

ikorolev wrote:
Loefler does talk about Ramirez and DeGale being options if Canelo and BJS keep ducking. Golovkin would go back to 160 after that.

Yep, GGG's promoter is taking in consideration for GGG to fight Ramirez and DeGale @ 168 lbs then come down if they can't get Saunders, Canelo or Jacobs.

See here is what you do not understand because you have probably never boxed in your life. GGG would be giving up a 5 inch reach advantage and around 15 to 20 pounds in the ring on fight night. Why would GGG put himself at such a disadvantage?? Promoters just say that stuff to insult the rest of the MW division in hopes of insulting them into a fight. Rameriez is closer to a 175 fighter than a 160 fighter. I could see him looking towards the 175 division soon because there may be money to be made at 175 and there is not much to make at 168. You guys have to think before you post.

As if it never happened before. Sanchez himself says that he can see GGG ending his career at 175 if good fights are available. Both Zurdo and DeGale can be beaten by Golovkin. Of course, it will not be as easy as beating Saunders or Canelo, but I think GGG would be a betting favorite.