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I want it to be Canelo, but I'm not confident that it will be.

Who do you think will be next?

It will not be Canelo. Win or lose it will not be him.

billy joe

I hope it's Billy Joe. Would be a better fight IMO. Ramirez would be a good fight, too, from a fight fan's perspective.

It's hard for him since Alvarez, Saunders, Eubank and Jacobs want nothing to do with him. My guess is Andy Lee, shit fight but he's about the only one with the balls to face GGG.

tigermoth87 wrote:It's hard for him since Alvarez, Saunders, Eubank and Jacobs want nothing to do with him. My guess is Andy Lee, poo fight but he's about the only one with the balls to face GGG.

Yep. I think you are right about this.

dberry wrote:I hope it's Billy Joe. Would be a better fight IMO. Ramirez would be a good fight, too, from a fight fan's perspective.

BJS already turned down 3 to 4 m.

He is negotiating with Van Damme:

Lancenix wrote:

dberry wrote:I hope it's Billy Joe. Would be a better fight IMO. Ramirez would be a good fight, too, from a fight fan's perspective.

BJS already turned down 3 to 4 m.

Yes, he did. I hope they do fight in the U.K though. It would be a better fight than today's bloodlust bashing (although I do like it when a good fighter gets to showcase his descructiveness against a 'contender', just call me a bloodthirsty masochist). I know your opinion on him fighting a SMW but I think he'd do all right fighting the top ten at that division. So long as he trains as a middle. The man has incredible power, extraordinary. We will only appreciate how good he is a decade of two after his time, a bit like the heavyweight golden period of the late eighties/early nineties.

ikorolev wrote:He is negotiating with Van Damme:

Van Damme edges it after a brutal loss and an amazing montage!

dberry wrote:

Lancenix wrote:

dberry wrote:I hope it's Billy Joe. Would be a better fight IMO. Ramirez would be a good fight, too, from a fight fan's perspective.

BJS already turned down 3 to 4 m.

Yes, he did. I hope they do fight in the U.K though. It would be a better fight than today's bloodlust bashing (although I do like it when a good fighter gets to showcase his descructiveness against a 'contender', just call me a bloodthirsty masochist). I know your opinion on him fighting a SMW but I think he'd do all right fighting the top ten at that division. So long as he trains as a middle. The man has incredible power, extraordinary. We will only appreciate how good he is a decade of two after his time, a bit like the heavyweight golden period of the late eighties/early nineties.

I agree with you if the only stall for this fight being made is the location of the UK I think GGG should do it. I think it would be great for the sport and for him to spread his popularity as much as he possibly can. Man I think back to Kelly Pavlik and how he KO'd Miranda and then he KO'd taylor for the title and then he took the bait and went and fought Hopkins and it was never the same for him after that. GGG is only 5'10 he has a 70 inch reach and would rehydrate to 176 or so. That just would not be big enough. I would strongly advise against it for him. Guys at SMW are 6'2 6'3 with 75 inch reaches and rehydration over 190. I do not want to see that for him at all.

Lancenix wrote:

dberry wrote:

Lancenix wrote:
BJS already turned down 3 to 4 m.

Yes, he did. I hope they do fight in the U.K though. It would be a better fight than today's bloodlust bashing (although I do like it when a good fighter gets to showcase his descructiveness against a 'contender', just call me a bloodthirsty masochist). I know your opinion on him fighting a SMW but I think he'd do all right fighting the top ten at that division. So long as he trains as a middle. The man has incredible power, extraordinary. We will only appreciate how good he is a decade of two after his time, a bit like the heavyweight golden period of the late eighties/early nineties.

I agree with you if the only stall for this fight being made is the location of the UK I think GGG should do it. I think it would be great for the sport and for him to spread his popularity as much as he possibly can. Man I think back to Kelly Pavlik and how he KO'd Miranda and then he KO'd taylor for the title and then he took the bait and went and fought Hopkins and it was never the same for him after that. GGG is only 5'10 he has a 70 inch reach and would rehydrate to 176 or so. That just would not be big enough. I would strongly advise against it for him. Guys at SMW are 6'2 6'3 with 75 inch reaches and rehydration over 190. I do not want to see that for him at all.

You're describing the very biggest super middleweights and I still don't see that as being a problem. Pavlik lost to Hopkins because Hopkins was faster, more skillful and had the whiskers to take Kelly's punch - it had very little to do with going up in weight. If Manny was big enough to fight at welterweight, then GGG is more than big enough to fight at 168lb. Seriously, it's only going up 8lb, it's not that big of a deal.

jezzamundo wrote:

Lancenix wrote:

dberry wrote: Yes, he did. I hope they do fight in the U.K though. It would be a better fight than today's bloodlust bashing (although I do like it when a good fighter gets to showcase his descructiveness against a 'contender', just call me a bloodthirsty masochist). I know your opinion on him fighting a SMW but I think he'd do all right fighting the top ten at that division. So long as he trains as a middle. The man has incredible power, extraordinary. We will only appreciate how good he is a decade of two after his time, a bit like the heavyweight golden period of the late eighties/early nineties.

I agree with you if the only stall for this fight being made is the location of the UK I think GGG should do it. I think it would be great for the sport and for him to spread his popularity as much as he possibly can. Man I think back to Kelly Pavlik and how he KO'd Miranda and then he KO'd taylor for the title and then he took the bait and went and fought Hopkins and it was never the same for him after that. GGG is only 5'10 he has a 70 inch reach and would rehydrate to 176 or so. That just would not be big enough. I would strongly advise against it for him. Guys at SMW are 6'2 6'3 with 75 inch reaches and rehydration over 190. I do not want to see that for him at all.

You're describing the very biggest super middleweights and I still don't see that as being a problem. Pavlik lost to Hopkins because Hopkins was faster, more skillful and had the whiskers to take Kelly's punch - it had very little to do with going up in weight. If Manny was big enough to fight at welterweight, then GGG is more than big enough to fight at 168lb. Seriously, it's only going up 8lb, it's not that big of a deal.

You seem like a nice, well intentioned guy Jezz. You just do not understand boxing very much though. I am sure you like to watch it but you just do not understand it. Keep watching more fights and learn all you can. If you are young you will learn.

Lancenix wrote:

dberry wrote:

Lancenix wrote:
BJS already turned down 3 to 4 m.

Yes, he did. I hope they do fight in the U.K though. It would be a better fight than today's bloodlust bashing (although I do like it when a good fighter gets to showcase his descructiveness against a 'contender', just call me a bloodthirsty masochist). I know your opinion on him fighting a SMW but I think he'd do all right fighting the top ten at that division. So long as he trains as a middle. The man has incredible power, extraordinary. We will only appreciate how good he is a decade of two after his time, a bit like the heavyweight golden period of the late eighties/early nineties.

I agree with you if the only stall for this fight being made is the location of the UK I think GGG should do it. I think it would be great for the sport and for him to spread his popularity as much as he possibly can. Man I think back to Kelly Pavlik and how he KO'd Miranda and then he KO'd taylor for the title and then he took the bait and went and fought Hopkins and it was never the same for him after that. GGG is only 5'10 he has a 70 inch reach and would rehydrate to 176 or so. That just would not be big enough. I would strongly advise against it for him. Guys at SMW are 6'2 6'3 with 75 inch reaches and rehydration over 190. I do not want to see that for him at all.

Mike Tyson was only 5'10", Evander Holyfield was barely a crusher weight while he ruled heavyweight, even my close friend, Dale Westerman, was a 5'9" blown-up super welter when he worked his way up the world light heavy weight division and get a shot against Carl Froch.

I do think GGG should try and stay in his division but if the others in his division won't fight him the he should pick the division above nine to remain active.

I would love him to retire that fuckwit monger, Lara, though. That spastic needs to challenge Usain Bolt, not the world's best superwelters and middles.

dberry wrote:

Lancenix wrote:

dberry wrote: Yes, he did. I hope they do fight in the U.K though. It would be a better fight than today's bloodlust bashing (although I do like it when a good fighter gets to showcase his descructiveness against a 'contender', just call me a bloodthirsty masochist). I know your opinion on him fighting a SMW but I think he'd do all right fighting the top ten at that division. So long as he trains as a middle. The man has incredible power, extraordinary. We will only appreciate how good he is a decade of two after his time, a bit like the heavyweight golden period of the late eighties/early nineties.

I agree with you if the only stall for this fight being made is the location of the UK I think GGG should do it. I think it would be great for the sport and for him to spread his popularity as much as he possibly can. Man I think back to Kelly Pavlik and how he KO'd Miranda and then he KO'd taylor for the title and then he took the bait and went and fought Hopkins and it was never the same for him after that. GGG is only 5'10 he has a 70 inch reach and would rehydrate to 176 or so. That just would not be big enough. I would strongly advise against it for him. Guys at SMW are 6'2 6'3 with 75 inch reaches and rehydration over 190. I do not want to see that for him at all.

Mike Tyson was only 5'10", Evander Holyfield was barely a crusher weight while he ruled heavyweight, even my close friend, Dale Westerman, was a 5'9" blown-up super welter when he worked his way up the world light heavy weight division and get a shot against Carl Froch.

I do think GGG should try and stay in his division but if the others in his division won't fight him the he should pick the division above nine to remain active.

I would love him to retire that fuckwit monger, Lara, though. That spastic needs to challenge Usain Bolt, not the world's best superwelters and middles.

Tyson had a different type of build though. I mean he was thick and super muscled even look at his neck compared to GGG's neck. Or ANY other human beings for that matter. His arms, his legs. Tyson is an anomaly anyway, so was Joe Frazier. You can't prove the rule with the exception. That is always flawed logic in anything. Tyson debuted in the early 80's and that was almost 40 years ago and we have not seen anything like him since.

Lara could work and Lara said he would fight at middle. I think the hesitation is that Lara could do to GGG what he did to Alvarez and then the judges steal the fight from him like they almost did to Canelo because they do not know how to score a fight. But why doesn't Lara move to middle, beat some guys and get himself a belt or a mandatory ranking?? Lara has put no work into being GGG's challenger, other than his mouth.

Lancenix wrote:

jezzamundo wrote:

Lancenix wrote:
I agree with you if the only stall for this fight being made is the location of the UK I think GGG should do it. I think it would be great for the sport and for him to spread his popularity as much as he possibly can. Man I think back to Kelly Pavlik and how he KO'd Miranda and then he KO'd taylor for the title and then he took the bait and went and fought Hopkins and it was never the same for him after that. GGG is only 5'10 he has a 70 inch reach and would rehydrate to 176 or so. That just would not be big enough. I would strongly advise against it for him. Guys at SMW are 6'2 6'3 with 75 inch reaches and rehydration over 190. I do not want to see that for him at all.

You're describing the very biggest super middleweights and I still don't see that as being a problem. Pavlik lost to Hopkins because Hopkins was faster, more skillful and had the whiskers to take Kelly's punch - it had very little to do with going up in weight. If Manny was big enough to fight at welterweight, then GGG is more than big enough to fight at 168lb. Seriously, it's only going up 8lb, it's not that big of a deal.

You seem like a nice, well intentioned guy Jezz. You just do not understand boxing very much though. I am sure you like to watch it but you just do not understand it. Keep watching more fights and learn all you can. If you are young you will learn.

I'm 31, have been a boxing fan since I was 18 and have trained in a boxing gym on-and-off for the last 12 years and have sparred with both amateur and professional boxers. My division would have been 69kg (152lb), although I was never good enough to have gone far and never actually had a fight.

If you don't realise that Pavlik's loss to Hopkins was more about skill than size then I have to call your boxing expertise into question. When I say that the extra 8lb wouldn't be a problem, I'm not dismissing it as nothing, just saying that it's not an insurmountable, unrealistic challenge. Hell, GGG signed to fight Chavez Jr at 168lb and we know he'd have been around 190lb on fight night for that fight. Skills can overcome size and the fact that GGG has A+ power and a great chin only adds to the likelihood that he could have great success at super middleweight. For the record, I'm not one of the crowd who says there's nothing for him at middleweight and he has to move up - I'd rather see him unify at middleweight first, but if the opportunity to fight a marquee opponent - like Chavez Jr previously - at 168lb arises, I'd like to see him rise to the challenge.

Saunders is garbage. Canelo next.

Lancenix wrote:

dberry wrote:

Lancenix wrote:
I agree with you if the only stall for this fight being made is the location of the UK I think GGG should do it. I think it would be great for the sport and for him to spread his popularity as much as he possibly can. Man I think back to Kelly Pavlik and how he KO'd Miranda and then he KO'd taylor for the title and then he took the bait and went and fought Hopkins and it was never the same for him after that. GGG is only 5'10 he has a 70 inch reach and would rehydrate to 176 or so. That just would not be big enough. I would strongly advise against it for him. Guys at SMW are 6'2 6'3 with 75 inch reaches and rehydration over 190. I do not want to see that for him at all.

Mike Tyson was only 5'10", Evander Holyfield was barely a crusher weight while he ruled heavyweight, even my close friend, Dale Westerman, was a 5'9" blown-up super welter when he worked his way up the world light heavy weight division and get a shot against Carl Froch.

I do think GGG should try and stay in his division but if the others in his division won't fight him the he should pick the division above nine to remain active.

I would love him to retire that fuckwit monger, Lara, though. That spastic needs to challenge Usain Bolt, not the world's best superwelters and middles.

Tyson had a different type of build though. I mean he was thick and super muscled even look at his neck compared to GGG's neck. Or ANY other human beings for that matter. His arms, his legs. Tyson is an anomaly anyway, so was Joe Frazier. You can't prove the rule with the exception. That is always flawed logic in anything. Tyson debuted in the early 80's and that was almost 40 years ago and we have not seen anything like him since.

Lara could work and Lara said he would fight at middle. I think the hesitation is that Lara could do to GGG what he did to Alvarez and then the judges steal the fight from him like they almost did to Canelo because they do not know how to score a fight. But why doesn't Lara move to middle, beat some guys and get himself a belt or a mandatory ranking?? Lara has put no work into being GGG's challenger, other than his mouth.

Lara couldn't do to GGG what he did to Canelo because he could last the distance against Conelo. He couldn't last much longer than Wade against Golovkin, in fact, he'd most likely be disqualified for failing to engage. Remember that Golovkin has had 350 amateur fights, too, and been extremely successful. Don't let some 'Cuban myth' cloud your judgement here. What you believe to be true, I will not argue with, as what I believe to be true is my belief.

Ricky_ wrote:Saunders is garbage. Canelo next.

Camelot is garbage, he'll drop the title and Saunders will face GGG before the ginger will (at the 160 pound limit, at least).

I would go after (in this order) -

1) Canelo
2) Billy Joe Saunders
3) Danny Jacobs
4) Chris Eubank jr
5) Miguel Cotto
6) Liam Smith
7) Kell Brook
8) Felix Sturm
9) Arthur Abraham
10) Fedor Chudinov

Kell Brook??????

tsmithy50 wrote:Kell Brook??????

The Kell Brook welterweight who won't even fight Amir Khan!? I'm missing something here, yeah?

dberry wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:Saunders is garbage. Canelo next.

Camelot is garbage, he'll drop the title and Saunders will face GGG before the ginger will (at the 160 pound limit, at least).

Saunders won't. He knocked back a few mil and trued to fight Bursack instead

BJS sucks. His fight with Lee was a joke.

Canelo will fight GGG. He has balls. The Khan fight is just a gimmick put in place by Oscar. Down to business, GGG vs Canelo for Mexican Independence weekend.

dberry wrote:

tsmithy50 wrote:Kell Brook??????

The Kell Brook welterweight who won't even fight Amir Khan!? I'm missing something here, yeah?

And Liam Smith a light middle, very strange list.

i don't know, but i doubt it will be canelo, as canelo and odlh don't want anything to do with ggg and i doubt it will be billy joe either