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KingJune wrote:HBOLD trying to force feed Gonzalez #1 P4P down our throats is a joke

This guy is not taking on the hardest fights out there.

Tyson Fury dethroning Klitschko (undefeated in 11 years/about to tie Larry holmes in title defenses) completely dwarfs Gonzalez entire career.

So what happens if a guy like Inoue beats Gonzalez is he then #1 P4P Gonzalez should be ranked somewhere in the top 10 but I'd rather #1 be vacant then give it to Gonzalez. Gonzalez walks around 126+ pounds. I'd favor Donaire and Rigo over him any day of the week

Side Note: If Wilder beats Povetkin in Russia, I'd have no problem if people rank him higher then Gonzalez. We have to reward fighters for taking risks.

I'm sorry but the P4P #1 fighter in the world would not be fighting on GGG's undercard fighting McJoes lil bro

KingJune wrote:HBOLD trying to force feed Gonzalez #1 P4P down our throats is a joke

This guy is not taking on the hardest fights out there.

Tyson Fury dethroning Klitschko (undefeated in 11 years/about to tie Larry holmes in title defenses) completely dwarfs Gonzalez entire career.

So what happens if a guy like Inoue beats Gonzalez is he then #1 P4P Gonzalez should be ranked somewhere in the top 10 but I'd rather #1 be vacant then give it to Gonzalez. Gonzalez walks around 126+ pounds. I'd favor Donaire and Rigo over him any day of the week

Side Note: If Wilder beats Povetkin in Russia, I'd have no problem if people rank him higher then Gonzalez. We have to reward fighters for taking risks.

I'm sorry but the P4P #1 fighter in the world would not be fighting on GGG's undercard fighting McJoes lil bro

ikorolev wrote:
What do Rigo and Donaire walk around at ? They have 4-inch reach advantage over Roman.

davie wrote:

ikorolev wrote:
What do Rigo and Donaire walk around at ? They have 4-inch reach advantage over Roman.

Indeed. Completely flawed logic.
If Rigo and donaire sit at close to 140lbs between fight, do we demand they face Postal and Crawford

KingJune wrote:

davie wrote:

ikorolev wrote:
What do Rigo and Donaire walk around at ? They have 4-inch reach advantage over Roman.

Indeed. Completely flawed logic.
If Rigo and donaire sit at close to 140lbs between fight, do we demand they face Postal and Crawford

Rigo Walks around 126, Donaire is probably 135.

Surely going to 122 shouldn't be that tough of a task for the supposed #1P4P.

I'd say it'd be fair to rank Gonzalez higher if he Beat Inoue and Estrada in a rematch but that'd be #4 TOPS.

For Gonzalez to be 1 he'd have to move up in weight and take on the toughest challenges.

We can't crown this guy #1 for what he's accomplished, eye test is a complete joke, DUDE gets hit clean A LOT and will get KO'd when he steps up in competition. He's an undercard fighter right now not #1 PERIOD

KingJune wrote:When HBO says Gonzalez's is number 1 it's cringe worthy.

It's some sort of sick joke/circus act trying to manufacture a star.

It's an absolute gimmick can you immagine the type of Hate Mayweather (previously #1) or even Pac would get taking on this level of opposition.

Ppl Sh11t on Pac for fighting Bradley a 3rd time lol but Gonzalez gets a pass fighting Hawaiian Punch and Mcjoes lil bro.

Everyone has their own opinion but damn it's so Obvious hbo/ESPN/ring (they work together) made up this sick gimmick trying to cash in on fans by manufacturing a hype job.

Ricky_ wrote:Can i take King June in the 'next Brut alias' bingo? "HB OLD" is such a brut thing to say.

KingJune wrote:

davie wrote:

ikorolev wrote:
What do Rigo and Donaire walk around at ? They have 4-inch reach advantage over Roman.

Indeed. Completely flawed logic.
If Rigo and donaire sit at close to 140lbs between fight, do we demand they face Postal and Crawford

Rigo Walks around 126, Donaire is probably 135.

Surely going to 122 shouldn't be that tough of a task for the supposed #1P4P.

I'd say it'd be fair to rank Gonzalez higher if he Beat Inoue and Estrada in a rematch but that'd be #4 TOPS.

For Gonzalez to be 1 he'd have to move up in weight and take on the toughest challenges.

We can't crown this guy #1 for what he's accomplished, eye test is a complete joke, DUDE gets hit clean A LOT and will get KO'd when he steps up in competition. He's an undercard fighter right now not #1 PERIOD

jockpunk wrote:What incentive does HBO have to push Chocolito as #1? He fights at a division no one outside of hardcore fans care about, will never draw huge ratings unless he is on a GGG undercard, and speaks zero english. If the really wanted to "push" someone on their roster, They have 4 or 5 guys othat would be a much bigger sell to the general public as #1 (Ward, Pac, GGG, Kovalev, Crawford). If they really wanted to push someone, they would pick one of those guys as they will all draw much bigger ratings. The reason HBO has been calling him number one is because almost everyone outside of this messagboard has him in that spot (whether he deserves it or not).

That said, I do not think he is the best p4p boxer on the planet. He is very good though. But the idea that HBO are the ones pushing him is dumb. Right now, almost everyone has him as #1.

Oh and lol at someone having p4p king as "vacant". You do realize that the whole thing is made up and is really just people's opinions?

Chepppaaa wrote:in terms of skills and athlicsm rigondeaux is #1

ikorolev wrote:

jockpunk wrote:What incentive does HBO have to push Chocolito as #1? He fights at a division no one outside of hardcore fans care about, will never draw huge ratings unless he is on a GGG undercard, and speaks zero english. If the really wanted to "push" someone on their roster, They have 4 or 5 guys othat would be a much bigger sell to the general public as #1 (Ward, Pac, GGG, Kovalev, Crawford). If they really wanted to push someone, they would pick one of those guys as they will all draw much bigger ratings. The reason HBO has been calling him number one is because almost everyone outside of this messagboard has him in that spot (whether he deserves it or not).

That said, I do not think he is the best p4p boxer on the planet. He is very good though. But the idea that HBO are the ones pushing him is dumb. Right now, almost everyone has him as #1.

Oh and lol at someone having p4p king as "vacant". You do realize that the whole thing is made up and is really just people's opinions?

Exactly. Tiny guys never become cash cows. There is no reason for HBO to push it to #1 position moving Golovkin, Kovalev, Ward down.

Besides, Gonzo is #1 in Ring and ESPN lists. Did HBO pay them to do that ?

KingJune wrote:

ikorolev wrote:

jockpunk wrote:What incentive does HBO have to push Chocolito as #1? He fights at a division no one outside of hardcore fans care about, will never draw huge ratings unless he is on a GGG undercard, and speaks zero english. If the really wanted to "push" someone on their roster, They have 4 or 5 guys othat would be a much bigger sell to the general public as #1 (Ward, Pac, GGG, Kovalev, Crawford). If they really wanted to push someone, they would pick one of those guys as they will all draw much bigger ratings. The reason HBO has been calling him number one is because almost everyone outside of this messagboard has him in that spot (whether he deserves it or not).

That said, I do not think he is the best p4p boxer on the planet. He is very good though. But the idea that HBO are the ones pushing him is dumb. Right now, almost everyone has him as #1.

Oh and lol at someone having p4p king as "vacant". You do realize that the whole thing is made up and is really just people's opinions?

Exactly. Tiny guys never become cash cows. There is no reason for HBO to push it to #1 position moving Golovkin, Kovalev, Ward down.

Besides, Gonzo is #1 in Ring and ESPN lists. Did HBO pay them to do that ?

HBO,ESPN are under the same umbrella.

KingJune wrote: Ring Magazine is GBP. It's obvious they're trying to push their agenda.

KingJune wrote:HBO trying to force feed Kovalev #1 P4P down our throats is a joke

This guy is not taking on the hardest fights out there.

Tyson Fury dethroning Klitschko (undefeated in 11 years/about to tie Larry holmes in title defenses) completely dwarfs Kovalev's entire career.

So what happens if a guy like Usyk beats Kovalev is he then #1 P4P Kovalev should be ranked somewhere in the top 10 but I'd rather #1 be vacant then give it to Kovalev. Kovalev walks around 200+ pounds. I'd favor Fury and Klitchko over him any day of the week

Side Note: If Wilder beats Povetkin in Russia, I'd have no problem if people rank him higher then Kovalev. We have to reward fighters for taking risks.

KingJune wrote:

ikorolev wrote:

jockpunk wrote:What incentive does HBO have to push Chocolito as #1? He fights at a division no one outside of hardcore fans care about, will never draw huge ratings unless he is on a GGG undercard, and speaks zero english. If the really wanted to "push" someone on their roster, They have 4 or 5 guys othat would be a much bigger sell to the general public as #1 (Ward, Pac, GGG, Kovalev, Crawford). If they really wanted to push someone, they would pick one of those guys as they will all draw much bigger ratings. The reason HBO has been calling him number one is because almost everyone outside of this messagboard has him in that spot (whether he deserves it or not).

That said, I do not think he is the best p4p boxer on the planet. He is very good though. But the idea that HBO are the ones pushing him is dumb. Right now, almost everyone has him as #1.

Oh and lol at someone having p4p king as "vacant". You do realize that the whole thing is made up and is really just people's opinions?

Exactly. Tiny guys never become cash cows. There is no reason for HBO to push it to #1 position moving Golovkin, Kovalev, Ward down.

Besides, Gonzo is #1 in Ring and ESPN lists. Did HBO pay them to do that ?

HBO,ESPN are under the same umbrella. Ring Magazine is GBP. It's obvious they're trying to push their agenda.

McJoes lil bro won 3 rounds against Gonzalez without a jab and one shoe. How can you rank this guy over more proven fighters in Ward,Kovalev is degrading boxing.

These type of side show gimmicks give boxing a black eye.