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caldo2025 wrote:We all know how the GGG bashers feel about him but I was wondering how reasonable people would feel about GGG If he remained at Middleweight for the rest of his career and retired undefeated. He never takes part in a super fight or a catchweight negotiation. He breaks every middleweight record and retires undefeated with a 50-0 record with 45 knockouts. What will be his place in boxing history?

Badhusker wrote:He will be looked at somewhat like Rocky Marciano, who had a great career, is a great champion, but was in an era of weaker competition. He had a few great names on his resume of wins, but they were well past it. I don't blame GGG for not going up in weight, but he shouldn't have agreed to it for some and not others....same as going down. He is almost at an age now when a lot of boxers decline, so time could be short for him. SRL, for example, was shot at 34.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:I think he's great, it's a shame he had to come around in the lamest era ever. He hasn't had the opposition to rate high historically, though not even coming close to losing helps his cause. When people say the opposition isn't Wlad's fault, they're right, but he lost to several of them. That's quite damaging historically, hopefully GGG gets Canelo.

Chepppaaa wrote:good career so far, nthing by kos and wins, cant argue that. but 34 is near the end, only 3-4 top years left. he needs better opponents asap.

ikorolev wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:good career so far, nthing by kos and wins, cant argue that. but 34 is near the end, only 3-4 top years left. he needs better opponents asap.

3-4 years is 9-12 fights for Golovkin, so Joshua and Fury should be worrying. Gennady is coming

pound per pound wrote: This suggests he's elite because even the very best @160 in Monzon and Hagler sometimes had their hands full with GGG level opponents.

littlepug wrote:Oh and for some reason I would really like to see GGG and Eubank jnr cross swords at some point

jezzamundo wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:We all know how the GGG bashers feel about him but I was wondering how reasonable people would feel about GGG If he remained at Middleweight for the rest of his career and retired undefeated. He never takes part in a super fight or a catchweight negotiation. He breaks every middleweight record and retires undefeated with a 50-0 record with 45 knockouts. What will be his place in boxing history?

Based on an average of 3 fight per year - which I think is a reasonable estimate - that record suggests he would be defending his title until the age of 39. I think this is actually pretty reasonable, considering that GGG is a young 34. I'm curious who the two who go the distance with him are!

That said, if a fighter of his calibre is never involved in a superfight, it would be a real shame. Not fussed about the catchweights, but I think given his abilities it will be a disappointment if he never tests the waters at 168b. He would probably be considering a second tier middleweight champion, behind the likes of Greb, SRR, Monzon and Hagler and probably behind Hopkins too. Regardless, he would be a first ballot hall-of-famer and respect for him would grow with time and depending on the quality of his title challengers, he would likely end up in discussions of ATG middleweights.

Badhusker wrote:He will be looked at somewhat like Rocky Marciano, who had a great career, is a great champion, but was in an era of weaker competition. He had a few great names on his resume of wins, but they were well past it. I don't blame GGG for not going up in weight, but he shouldn't have agreed to it for some and not others....same as going down. He is almost at an age now when a lot of boxers decline, so time could be short for him. SRL, for example, was shot at 34.

Great call, although GGG's age is deceiving - he's really a very young 34 and hasn't taken a lot of punishment in his career, while Sanchez seems to be doing a good job of preserving and extending his prime.

caldo2025 wrote:

jezzamundo wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:We all know how the GGG bashers feel about him but I was wondering how reasonable people would feel about GGG If he remained at Middleweight for the rest of his career and retired undefeated. He never takes part in a super fight or a catchweight negotiation. He breaks every middleweight record and retires undefeated with a 50-0 record with 45 knockouts. What will be his place in boxing history?

Based on an average of 3 fight per year - which I think is a reasonable estimate - that record suggests he would be defending his title until the age of 39. I think this is actually pretty reasonable, considering that GGG is a young 34. I'm curious who the two who go the distance with him are!

That said, if a fighter of his calibre is never involved in a superfight, it would be a real shame. Not fussed about the catchweights, but I think given his abilities it will be a disappointment if he never tests the waters at 168b. He would probably be considering a second tier middleweight champion, behind the likes of Greb, SRR, Monzon and Hagler and probably behind Hopkins too. Regardless, he would be a first ballot hall-of-famer and respect for him would grow with time and depending on the quality of his title challengers, he would likely end up in discussions of ATG middleweights.

Badhusker wrote:He will be looked at somewhat like Rocky Marciano, who had a great career, is a great champion, but was in an era of weaker competition. He had a few great names on his resume of wins, but they were well past it. I don't blame GGG for not going up in weight, but he shouldn't have agreed to it for some and not others....same as going down. He is almost at an age now when a lot of boxers decline, so time could be short for him. SRL, for example, was shot at 34.

Great call, although GGG's age is deceiving - he's really a very young 34 and hasn't taken a lot of punishment in his career, while Sanchez seems to be doing a good job of preserving and extending his prime.

What do you think the middleweight division would look like if GGG never existed though? Would be people be calling it the worst division in boxing? Would they be saying that whomever was the lineal champion was unlucky because he reigned in an era that void of premium middleweights? I don't think so. I personally think that GGG would be doing this to ANY middleweight in their prime. I'm completely serious. To be doing what he's doing in this era to me is way more difficult than doing it in previous era's.

Think about it. Not to mention the fact that PEDS are everywhere, the boxing IQ is so much better than it was even 20 years ago. In two seconds athletes can get any statistic they want about their opponent. They weight loss is handled scientifically and their training camps are run so discipled that they are peaking on fight night. In two seconds they can pull up video's of every fight their opponent has been in. Boxers used to just have one trainer and a cut man. Now they have a team of specialists.

I think that middleweight division is just as tough as it's always been. GGG is just THAT much better than everyone that it makes it look like it's light. IMO, GGG fights any middleweight prior to now tomorrow and he knocks him out. Yes, Marvin too. The division is not light, they just happen to be fighting in a division with the best middleweight boxer in the history of boxing. Period.

caldo2025 wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:

jezzamundo wrote:
Based on an average of 3 fight per year - which I think is a reasonable estimate - that record suggests he would be defending his title until the age of 39. I think this is actually pretty reasonable, considering that GGG is a young 34. I'm curious who the two who go the distance with him are!

That said, if a fighter of his calibre is never involved in a superfight, it would be a real shame. Not fussed about the catchweights, but I think given his abilities it will be a disappointment if he never tests the waters at 168b. He would probably be considering a second tier middleweight champion, behind the likes of Greb, SRR, Monzon and Hagler and probably behind Hopkins too. Regardless, he would be a first ballot hall-of-famer and respect for him would grow with time and depending on the quality of his title challengers, he would likely end up in discussions of ATG middleweights.



Great call, although GGG's age is deceiving - he's really a very young 34 and hasn't taken a lot of punishment in his career, while Sanchez seems to be doing a good job of preserving and extending his prime.

What do you think the middleweight division would look like if GGG never existed though? Would be people be calling it the worst division in boxing? Would they be saying that whomever was the lineal champion was unlucky because he reigned in an era that void of premium middleweights? I don't think so. I personally think that GGG would be doing this to ANY middleweight in their prime. I'm completely serious. To be doing what he's doing in this era to me is way more difficult than doing it in previous era's.

Think about it. Not to mention the fact that PEDS are everywhere, the boxing IQ is so much better than it was even 20 years ago. In two seconds athletes can get any statistic they want about their opponent. They weight loss is handled scientifically and their training camps are run so discipled that they are peaking on fight night. In two seconds they can pull up video's of every fight their opponent has been in. Boxers used to just have one trainer and a cut man. Now they have a team of specialists.

I think that middleweight division is just as tough as it's always been. GGG is just THAT much better than everyone that it makes it look like it's light. IMO, GGG fights any middleweight prior to now tomorrow and he knocks him out. Yes, Marvin too. The division is not light, they just happen to be fighting in a division with the best middleweight boxer in the history of boxing. Period.