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Some say "Golovkin hasn't fought anyone any good".

But tonight, both Lemieux and Stevens showed they are better than some who don't like GGG critics have been saying.

Anybody who doesn't give GGG credit for the Lemieux win doesn't understand boxing. He's the 3rd best fighter in the division, the 2nd hardest puncher in the division and would be a top 5 fighter in most divisions in boxing. He's a cracking win.

Stevens was a good win at the time, coming off the back of some decent KOs and plenty of Americans were backing Stevens. Really though he's not that good. Good win because its the fight everyone wanted to see at the time but in hindsight not the best opponent.

He's got a good resume with wins over other solid fighters in Murray, Geale, prime Macklin and , I do agree that he needs another couple of wins over top fighters to truly cement him though. If Canelo and Billy Joe man up those would be two cracking wins for him.

People in the know already knew this

DL vs. canelo at 160 is a 50-50 fight.

Lancenix wrote:DL vs. canelo at 160 is a 50-50 fight.

Yeah it'd be competitive.

Lemieux has a good chin and he doesn't stick it out like Khan. At 160, I would give him more than 50% to beat Canelo.

ikorolev wrote:Lemieux has a good chin and he doesn't stick it out like Khan. At 160, I would give him more than 50% to beat Canelo.

If not for his past Stamina issues I'd agree. I think 50/50 sounds about right. There's no way he could fight Lemieux without getting a lot of shit. Not unless he fights GGG first at least. If he fights Lemieux after getting his ass handed to him by Golovkin I'm all for it.

gilgamesh wrote:

Lancenix wrote:DL vs. canelo at 160 is a 50-50 fight.

Yeah it'd be competitive.

Canelo vs Lemieux/Stevens@ 160 lbs are pick'em fights.

before ggg won against macklin, geale, lemieaux, murray and rubio, all were considered good. than came all the critic, like they were all d level. i remember even guys thinking geale would beat ggg or make it a very competitive fight and how underrated he was, me as an expert i knew right away geale was a weak boxer. but murray, mack and the rest were all good boxers and they just happened to be destroyed by an a level boxer with a+ power.

Even Willie Monroe Jr would be a 50/50 fight vs Canelo @ 160 lbs.

apollo creed wrote:Even Willie Monroe Jr would be a 50/50 fight vs Canelo @ 160 lbs.

realy

Tapia is garbage and that fight with Lemieux was utterly predictable. He's certainly decent as a fighter - he wouldn't have beaten N'Dam if he wasn't - but when it comes to in ring accomplishments, he doesn't have many against elite fighters. He's shit the bed about as many times as he's beaten fringe contenders.

As for Stevens, his record speaks for itself. He's a gatekeeper type guy. Has some big KOs over undersized or washed guys. Struggles or loses when he ascends above the B- level. Absolutely nothing special.

Stevens & Lemieux showed they are dangerous fighters

Perhaps they should fight each other. I am not sure Jackson effect is real yet.

I like Stevens he is a good little fighter. Tough nut with plenty skills. Who the hell did that Brazilian guy fight to get a record like that though? He was ridiculous! Like a fish out of water from the opening bell.

I thought Lemieux looked fast and powerful. A good fighter but GGG just looks the perfect fighter at this point.

I fully expected GGG to beat Lemieux as I am sure most of us did, but that doesn't mean it's not a very solid win.

The Stevens win had many of the same dynamics to it, but Stevens is a just a bit shy of Lemieux talent wise.

I think GGG's resume is getting there really, he has fought a number of different styles and faced opponents with different strengths and he
has looked incredibly good against all of them. Now he just needs a couple of top opponents to bring it all together.

zorndeslammes wrote:Tapia is garbage and that fight with Lemieux was utterly predictable. He's certainly decent as a fighter - he wouldn't have beaten N'Dam if he wasn't - but when it comes to in ring accomplishments, he doesn't have many against elite fighters. He's poo the bed about as many times as he's beaten fringe contenders.

As for Stevens, his record speaks for itself. He's a gatekeeper type guy. Has some big KOs over undersized or washed guys. Struggles or loses when he ascends above the B- level. Absolutely nothing special.

At 160, either would be a significantly greater threat to GingerHead than Khan at 155. I would shade him over either though.

Tanzio wrote:

zorndeslammes wrote:Tapia is garbage and that fight with Lemieux was utterly predictable. He's certainly decent as a fighter - he wouldn't have beaten N'Dam if he wasn't - but when it comes to in ring accomplishments, he doesn't have many against elite fighters. He's poo the bed about as many times as he's beaten fringe contenders.

As for Stevens, his record speaks for itself. He's a gatekeeper type guy. Has some big KOs over undersized or washed guys. Struggles or loses when he ascends above the B- level. Absolutely nothing special.

At 160, either would be a significantly greater threat to GingerHead than Khan at 155. I would shade him over either though.

Yeah, and? I didn't think that much of Khan.

I think the very solid performances of both David Lemieux & Curtis Stevens last night proves once again, just how special GGG is.
Even though both men have their limitations ( especially Stevens, who just can't seem to deal with those fighters that use a good jab to control him ), they've proven that they're much better than cannon fodder for the top middleweights.
Although GGG dominated them both en route to stopping them, that obviously doesn't mean that they can't or won't be very competitive with the rest of the best 160 pounders. We got a good look at just that last night, even though both of their opponents were dealt with much easier than was expected.
I think either Lemieux or Stevens would be tough challengers for the WBC title held by Alvarez, but, of course, neither bout is likely to take place as both are big, solid full-fledged middleweights. Neither of whom could make Alvarez's bogus 155 pound limit. Rather, we're much more likely to see Canelo defending against more blown up lightweights & welterweights instead.

ikorolev wrote:Lemieux has a good chin and he doesn't stick it out like Khan. At 160, I would give him more than 50% to beat Canelo.

What other strategy Khan could have had against Canelo ? He had never fought over 147 lb and, for this fight, he fought an opponent at 155 lb. Khan was not big enough and he couln't have avoided every Canelo punches. He had to be caught once and that one time had to be fatal ...as it happened in the fight.

I remember DL sending Camacho jr to sleep at the first round of their fight. Camacho was a 154 lb and he went up to 160 to fight DL. Camacho was just not big enough.

Chepppaaa wrote:before ggg won against macklin, geale, lemieaux, murray and rubio, all were considered good. than came all the critic, like they were all d level. i remember even guys thinking geale would beat ggg or make it a very competitive fight and how underrated he was, me as an expert i knew right away geale was a weak boxer. but murray, mack and the rest were all good boxers and they just happened to be destroyed by an a level boxer with a+ power.

People forget, a few of those are the same fighters they were praising Martinez for fighting.

jas80s wrote:I fully expected GGG to beat Lemieux as I am sure most of us did, but that doesn't mean it's not a very solid win.

The Stevens win had many of the same dynamics to it, but Stevens is a just a bit shy of Lemieux talent wise.

I think GGG's resume is getting there really, he has fought a number of different styles and faced opponents with different strengths and he
has looked incredibly good against all of them. Now he just needs a couple of top opponents to bring it all together.

In the GGG-DL fight, GGG did not only proved his talent, he also proved his intelligence.
Lemieux expected him to jump on him right from the start. Instead, GGG fought him with a perfect jab DL could not stop nor avoid. This is how GGG beated DL. And DL showed against Tapia that he has learned form his defeat against GGG. Of course. that does not mean DL would win a rematch against GGG.

IKSRTFO wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:before ggg won against macklin, geale, lemieaux, murray and rubio, all were considered good. than came all the critic, like they were all d level. i remember even guys thinking geale would beat ggg or make it a very competitive fight and how underrated he was, me as an expert i knew right away geale was a weak boxer. but murray, mack and the rest were all good boxers and they just happened to be destroyed by an a level boxer with a+ power.

People forget, a few of those are the same fighters they were praising Martinez for fighting.

hahaha......exactly, i remember this

You know I don't think Stevens is very good. He's a very hard puncher. That's it because Hassan N'Dam boxed and jabbed the crap out of him... N'Dam tried to box and jab Lemieux like that but got knocked down 4 times and bullied around the ring. Lemieux dominated N'Dam. That's why Lemieux's people thought he could take Golovkin and Oscar De La Hoya kept saying Lemieux would knock Golovkin out. I also remember Oscar saying he was betting on Canelo to beat Mayweather and predicting he would kick Floyd's ass and out-jab him. I'm amazed that DLH is such a poor evaluator of boxers' skills and still so disrespectful of GGG. Immediately after Golovkin beat Lemieux He started saying Hopkins would beat GGG. You ask Hopkins about GGG and he says Kovalev would beat him.

Golovkin outjabbed Matthew Macklin 27 to 1 and jabs just about everyone at will - so I knew he had a great jab and would jab Lemieux to death... N'Dam's jab is very quick and rangy but not smooth, and he dances too much so you can easily read it. Miguel Cotto has a great jab but couldn't get it on Austin Trout because he's so short and his arms are so stubby. Cotto jabbed Floyd better than anyone. He cracked him with some really good snappy ones right in the nose. I always thought somebody taller than Floyd with a master jab could beat him. De La Hoya had a terrible jab and Floyd outjabbed him by a million miles. I couldn't believe the SD or the scores. Shane Mosley can't jab. He was outjabbed by the shorter Cotto, but he out-jabbed Oscar. If you can outjab Mayweather he has no punching power and you can beat him. He really doesn't have a lot of ways to beat you. Floyd is an ATG boxer and his jab is one of the best ever, but GGG's is better.