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With the retirements or semi-retirements of Floyd and PACMAN and the fact that many other fighters in the game today simply will not fight each other for one reason or another boxing is left with only 1 PPV fighter. That would be Canelo Alvarez. And it is a weak and sad PPV star if you ask me who is currently fighting in a weight division that he has been allowed to make up (155LB.) with the help of HBO and the WBC so that the network can have at least one PPV fighter. Instead of fans waiting around for fights to happen between the sports biggest stars and after the debacle that was PACMAN-Floyd after the long 7 year wait for it to happen, fans have just simply walked away from the sport and so have their dollars.

This is why HBO and all those involved do not want to see Canelo vs. GGG. Do they really want GGG to kill off boxing's only PPV attraction at this point? Boxing PPV attractions are down to 1. It shows where the sport is and where it is headed. Hijacked by promoters, networks and fighters not wanting to take the risk of fighting each other the fans have walked. And boxing is now left holding its' 'glove' in its' hand.

Boxing's fan base continues to shrink and it has lost the casual fan more and more and to have more PPV stars you have to have the casual fan involved to buy or want to buy the fight. That is not what boxing has. Boxing has a shrinking demographic and a smaller and smaller casual fan base in America not wanting to spend dollars on a sport they no longer care about and a fighter that they no longer know because they are no longer even following the sport at all.

With the odd exception a ppv fighter is usually a manufactured hype job, created for mainstream audiences. Give me Lomachenko free to view over Anthony Joshua V Dillion Whyte ppv anyday. Agree, boxing has a shriking demographic, but i think thats down to fragmentation of titles and promotional politics meaning best dont fight the best. UFC has hit our screens, also splitting fight fans. Boxing isnt drawing fans in US when you dont have any top fighters. Who's best you have, Thurman? Crawford? Hardly prime Tyson, Roy Jones, Bowe, Holyfield, Mayweather, of recent years are they.

UK have 12 current world champions, what do US have? 6? Wilder, Charlo, Thurman, Garcia, Crawford, Russel?

Good times

Wales wrote:With the odd exception a ppv fighter is usually a manufactured hype job, created for mainstream audiences. Give me Lomachenko free to view over Anthony Joshua V Dillion Whyte ppv anyday. Agree, boxing has a shriking demographic, but i think thats down to fragmentation of titles and promotional politics meaning best dont fight the best. UFC has hit our screens, also splitting fight fans. Boxing isnt drawing fans in US when you dont have any top fighters. Who's best you have, Thurman? Crawford? Hardly prime Tyson, Roy Jones, Bowe, Holyfield, Mayweather, of recent years are they.

UK have 12 current world champions, what do US have? 6? Wilder, Charlo, Thurman, Garcia, Crawford, Russel?

It speaks volumes that the American champs tend to be the ones who cherry pick bums.

Just look at the poor opponents some of them have defended against. Russell Jr's last defence was against a guy ranked #130 in the world. Granted, Billy-Joe and Brook love a cherry pick but for the most part, the British champs do tend to defend against good opponents.

McDonnell went to America twice to defend against Kameda. Crolla is coming off a defence vs Barosso. Degale has defended against Bute. Haskins is rumoured to be trying to get a unification with Yamanaka. Selby faced Hunter who is much better than his record suggests considering two of his losses come from DQ.

Good. F*ck PPV. 60 dollars for 3 or 4 hours entertainment on Television? No thanks

Why would Canelo fight GGG for 3 million when he can fight someone like Luis Collazo for 2 million.

Lancenix wrote:With the retirements or semi-retirements of Floyd and PACMAN and the fact that many other fighters in the game today simply will not fight each other for one reason or another boxing is left with only 1 PPV fighter. That would be Canelo Alvarez. And it is a weak and sad PPV star if you ask me who is currently fighting in a weight division that he has been allowed to make up (155LB.) with the help of HBO and the WBC so that the network can have at least one PPV fighter. Instead of fans waiting around for fights to happen between the sports biggest stars and after the debacle that was PACMAN-Floyd after the long 7 year wait for it to happen, fans have just simply walked away from the sport and so have their dollars.

This is why HBO and all those involved do not want to see Canelo vs. GGG. Do they really want GGG to kill off boxing's only PPV attraction at this point? Boxing PPV attractions are down to 1. It shows where the sport is and where it is headed. Hijacked by promoters, networks and fighters not wanting to take the risk of fighting each other the fans have walked. And boxing is now left holding its' 'glove' in its' hand.

Boxing's fan base continues to shrink and it has lost the casual fan more and more and to have more PPV stars you have to have the casual fan involved to buy or want to buy the fight. That is not what boxing has. Boxing has a shrinking demographic and a smaller and smaller casual fan base in America not wanting to spend dollars on a sport they no longer care about and a fighter that they no longer know because they are no longer even following the sport at all.

Boxing wasn't hijacked by promoters, it's owned by them, always has been.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Lancenix wrote:With the retirements or semi-retirements of Floyd and PACMAN and the fact that many other fighters in the game today simply will not fight each other for one reason or another boxing is left with only 1 PPV fighter. That would be Canelo Alvarez. And it is a weak and sad PPV star if you ask me who is currently fighting in a weight division that he has been allowed to make up (155LB.) with the help of HBO and the WBC so that the network can have at least one PPV fighter. Instead of fans waiting around for fights to happen between the sports biggest stars and after the debacle that was PACMAN-Floyd after the long 7 year wait for it to happen, fans have just simply walked away from the sport and so have their dollars.

This is why HBO and all those involved do not want to see Canelo vs. GGG. Do they really want GGG to kill off boxing's only PPV attraction at this point? Boxing PPV attractions are down to 1. It shows where the sport is and where it is headed. Hijacked by promoters, networks and fighters not wanting to take the risk of fighting each other the fans have walked. And boxing is now left holding its' 'glove' in its' hand.

Boxing's fan base continues to shrink and it has lost the casual fan more and more and to have more PPV stars you have to have the casual fan involved to buy or want to buy the fight. That is not what boxing has. Boxing has a shrinking demographic and a smaller and smaller casual fan base in America not wanting to spend dollars on a sport they no longer care about and a fighter that they no longer know because they are no longer even following the sport at all.

Boxing wasn't hijacked by promoters, it's owned by them, always has been.

But now it is worse than ever. Boxing is headed straight into he abyss. Only Hispanic fighters are drawing PPV cards now. The market for people wanting to see boxing and must see days are winding down. With years and years of terrible matchups boxing may have just finally killed itself.

Luckybattles wrote:Why would Canelo fight GGG for 3 million when he can fight someone like Luis Collazo for 2 million.

He would make 20 million against GGG, and more than 2 against Collazo. Your math is very flawed.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Luckybattles wrote:Why would Canelo fight GGG for 3 million when he can fight someone like Luis Collazo for 2 million.

He would make 20 million against GGG, and more than 2 against Collazo. Your math is very flawed.

Yes that is true he would be making at least 10 million and 15 to 20 is not out of the question at all. You are way off there dude. That is the difference in a PPV fight as far as the numbers go.

gilgamesh wrote:Good. F*ck PPV. 60 dollars for 3 or 4 hours entertainment on Television? No thanks

It shows where the sport is though. NBA, NHL, NFL MLB, soccer and on and on all make big bucks off packages and PPV viewings. Boxing used to be that way but now it has all but gone away. It just shows where the sport is, is all.

Lancenix wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

Luckybattles wrote:Why would Canelo fight GGG for 3 million when he can fight someone like Luis Collazo for 2 million.

He would make 20 million against GGG, and more than 2 against Collazo. Your math is very flawed.

Yes that is true he would be making at least 10 million and 15 to 20 is not out of the question at all. You are way off there dude. That is the difference in a PPV fight as far as the numbers go.

Aside from a heavyweight battle and anything involving Mayweather, Canelo v GGG has to be next biggest fight out there in any division.

Lancenix wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:Good. F*ck PPV. 60 dollars for 3 or 4 hours entertainment on Television? No thanks

It shows where the sport is though. NBA, NHL, NFL MLB, soccer and on and on all make big bucks off packages and PPV viewings. Boxing used to be that way but now it has all but gone away. It just shows where the sport is, is all.

I would think the NBA, NFL and MLB make most of their money from the huge TV and Advertising deals they got. I don't know too many people who actually subscribe to those "Watch every game, everywhere" packages

gilgamesh wrote:

Lancenix wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:Good. F*ck PPV. 60 dollars for 3 or 4 hours entertainment on Television? No thanks

It shows where the sport is though. NBA, NHL, NFL MLB, soccer and on and on all make big bucks off packages and PPV viewings. Boxing used to be that way but now it has all but gone away. It just shows where the sport is, is all.

I would think the NBA, NFL and MLB make most of their money from the huge TV and Advertising deals they got. I don't know too many people who actually subscribe to those "Watch every game, everywhere" packages

The NFL package is given free when you sign up with direct TV. Baseball is like $20 a month, you're spot on.

gilgamesh wrote:

Lancenix wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:Good. F*ck PPV. 60 dollars for 3 or 4 hours entertainment on Television? No thanks

It shows where the sport is though. NBA, NHL, NFL MLB, soccer and on and on all make big bucks off packages and PPV viewings. Boxing used to be that way but now it has all but gone away. It just shows where the sport is, is all.

I would think the NBA, NFL and MLB make most of their money from the huge TV and Advertising deals they got. I don't know too many people who actually subscribe to those "Watch every game, everywhere" packages

Oh the packages make huge bucks. The NFL ticket makes in the billions for the NFL.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

Lancenix wrote:
It shows where the sport is though. NBA, NHL, NFL MLB, soccer and on and on all make big bucks off packages and PPV viewings. Boxing used to be that way but now it has all but gone away. It just shows where the sport is, is all.

I would think the NBA, NFL and MLB make most of their money from the huge TV and Advertising deals they got. I don't know too many people who actually subscribe to those "Watch every game, everywhere" packages

The NFL package is given free when you sign up with direct TV. Baseball is like $20 a month, you're spot on.

No the NFL Sunday ticket ,makes in the billions of dollars actually. You are incorrect once again. Every bar must pay the NFL rights to every game that they show based on their seating capacity and once your one year of Sunday Ticket is up the package costs in the hundreds of dollars. So he is not spot on and once again you have chimed in with very flawed information as per usual for you though. Nothing new.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

Lancenix wrote:
It shows where the sport is though. NBA, NHL, NFL MLB, soccer and on and on all make big bucks off packages and PPV viewings. Boxing used to be that way but now it has all but gone away. It just shows where the sport is, is all.

I would think the NBA, NFL and MLB make most of their money from the huge TV and Advertising deals they got. I don't know too many people who actually subscribe to those "Watch every game, everywhere" packages

The NFL package is given free when you sign up with direct TV. Baseball is like $20 a month, you're spot on.

Baseball is a few hundred bucks a season then count all the bars that have to pay for it based on seating capacity and you have billions of dollars in the end. Man your facts may be the worst on the entire site.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Lancenix wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
He would make 20 million against GGG, and more than 2 against Collazo. Your math is very flawed.

Yes that is true he would be making at least 10 million and 15 to 20 is not out of the question at all. You are way off there dude. That is the difference in a PPV fight as far as the numbers go.

Aside from a heavyweight battle and anything involving Mayweather, Canelo v GGG has to be next biggest fight out there in any division.

It is and look at the two PPV fights this year.

PAC-Bradley- A complete failure from everything I have read.
Kahn-Canelo- I just cannot see this one doing well at all. And what is more? No one cared really. It was another BS PPV.

We shouldn't have a PPV fighters, we should have PPV fights.

PBC have the right idea. Bring boxing back to the masses.

G.McClellan wrote:We shouldn't have a PPV fighters, we should have PPV fights.

PBC have the right idea. Bring boxing back to the masses.

PBC is soon to be broke and there are lawsuits being filed and some have already been filed about the PBC series. It is totally in ruins right now. All the PBC brought for the large part was boxing junk to the masses.

G.McClellan wrote:We shouldn't have a PPV fighters, we should have PPV fights.

PBC have the right idea. Bring boxing back to the masses.

Great idea, it doesn't work. The masses in this country don't care. The best thing the PBC is doing is matching prospects up instead of preserving the '0' of guys you don't even know can fight.

gilgamesh wrote:Good. F*ck PPV. 60 dollars for 3 or 4 hours entertainment on Television? No thanks

Yep, ppv needs to die.

ikorolev wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:Good. F*ck PPV. 60 dollars for 3 or 4 hours entertainment on Television? No thanks

Yep, ppv needs to die.

UFC seems to be doing fine with PPV's and raking in A LOT of money. In fact UFC 200 could be historically record breaking. Of course people want to watch the event and will pay for it. They line up at bars for an hour in some places just hoping to get a seat. While boxing's PPV telecasts have dwindled to almost nothing. That just shows how many people do not care and will not pay for it.

Lancenix wrote:

ikorolev wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:Good. F*ck PPV. 60 dollars for 3 or 4 hours entertainment on Television? No thanks

Yep, ppv needs to die.

UFC seems to be doing fine with PPV's and raking in A LOT of money. In fact UFC 200 could be historically record breaking. Of course people want to watch the event and will pay for it. They line up at bars for an hour in some places just hoping to get a seat. While boxing's PPV telecasts have dwindled to almost nothing. That just shows how many people do not care and will not pay for it.

Or they will watch stream for free.

ikorolev wrote:

Lancenix wrote:

ikorolev wrote:
Yep, ppv needs to die.

UFC seems to be doing fine with PPV's and raking in A LOT of money. In fact UFC 200 could be historically record breaking. Of course people want to watch the event and will pay for it. They line up at bars for an hour in some places just hoping to get a seat. While boxing's PPV telecasts have dwindled to almost nothing. That just shows how many people do not care and will not pay for it.

Or they will watch stream for free.

That has been around for ages, there were black boxes in the 90's.No casual observer is huddled over a computer or phone by themselves watching a fight. Boxing is not a big sport here. Never will be again.