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What were some fights where a fighter's timing neutralized his opponent's speed?

Garcia v Khan is my offering

VG_Addict wrote:What were some fights where a fighter's timing neutralized his opponent's speed?

floyd hatton

Cotto/Mosley

Zab/Floyd (post 4th round)

Norton in all his fight's with the Greatest Ali

Best example I can think of off the top of my head is Pacquiao Marquez. JMM gave Pac fits with his counter punching.

I think the best example Forrest v Mosley 1.

Barrera v Hamed is another.

chavez vs pernell.....

Shirow wrote:I think the best example Forrest v Mosley 1.

That's the first fight that sprung to mind

VG_Addict wrote:What were some fights where a fighter's timing neutralized his opponent's speed?

Gennady Golovkin showed great timing on the first left hook knockdown vs Willie Monroe... Floyd vs Judah after about the 4th round started to get his timing down... Cotto versus Mayweather with some of his jabs to Floyd's face. I'm not sure the judges picked all of Cotto's jabs up they were so fast. But Cotto was popping them in there when he got busy during a few rounds... Ike Ibeabuchi was developing excellent timing after only 19 fights as a pro. He clobbered speedy Chris Byrd with a number of his superbly timed shots... Wladimir Klitschko kept moving, jabbing, feinting, trying to the timing to nail Fast Eddie Chambers with his quick left hook. He finally lined him up with a picture perfect KO.

Shirow wrote:I think the best example Forrest v Mosley 1.

Barrera v Hamed is another.

Yep I was coming into this thread to mention Forrest vs Mosley 1. He even said in the post fight interview "Young fighters that wanna know how to deal with speed, just use your jab. The jab stops speed"

Or something along those lines. Forrest wasn't exactly slow himself, but Mosley was definitely faster.

Stevieb8006 wrote:

Shirow wrote:I think the best example Forrest v Mosley 1.

That's the first fight that sprung to mind

Reach was a big factor there, too, though

Its why I like cotto Mosley or Barrera named as examples, they're all basically similar in their teach etc

gilgamesh wrote:

Shirow wrote:I think the best example Forrest v Mosley 1.

Barrera v Hamed is another.

Yep I was coming into this thread to mention Forrest vs Mosley 1. He even said in the post fight interview "Young fighters that wanna know how to deal with speed, just use your jab. The jab stops speed"
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Again, though, that use of a jab, whilst ineffective without timing, is much more apparent when the would be jabber has a nice reach advantage

I mean I didn't see Chavez managing to use a jab to negate Taylor, or whatever

I'm just saying, I don't think a long armed jabber beating a faster guy is a pure timing example.

Great question. I thought of Norton vs Ali too. Also Foreman's timing against Norton.

I mean benitez had great timing but he couldn't control hearns' speed AS WELL AS LENGTH, if you know what I mean, I'm a little baked

Counter-puncher wrote:I mean benitez had great timing but he couldn't control hearns' speed AS WELL AS LENGTH, if you know what I mean, I'm a little baked

You've made an interest point I'll have to rack my brain a little to see if I can come up with a time when a slower fighter beat a faster guy with better timing without having a height advantage.

Baldomir used his jab a lot against Zab Judah, but that fight was more about Zab being lazy and losing the fight rather than Baldomir timing him real well in most cases.

gilgamesh wrote: I'll have to rack my brain a little to see if I can come up with a time when a slower fighter beat a faster guy with better timing without having a height advantage

I can think of several and here's 3 instances... Duran was older, shorter, and slower, but beat faster, younger, green kid Davey Moore with better timing in their 154 Title Fight. Better timing especially on his jabs and counters ...... Kostya Tszyu lost the 1st round to the taller and faster Zab Judah. In the 2nd round KT threw a couple rights that Zab successfully dodged dipping to his right. Then Kostya got the timing perfect. He did quick feint first and flung another right. Zab dipped to his right again on the feint and dodged left directly into the punch ending the fight ..... Michael Nunn had a big lead on James Toney late in the fight. His corner told JT he needed a KO. Nunn was 4" taller, a little faster, and arguably more skilled. Toney was a super tough Middleweight and absorbed everything Nunn threw for 11 rounds. Toney dipped under a left timing a right counter beautifully. Nunn froze and Toney sent him flat on his back with a left hook. The referee should have stopped it there, but allowed Nunn to take a lot of unnecessary punishment and a horrific pasting.

Counter-puncher wrote:I mean benitez had great timing but he couldn't control hearns' speed AS WELL AS LENGTH, if you know what I mean, I'm a little baked

Add in a jab and it's nearly impossible. GGG managed to do it as despite his mediocre reach he has a great jab, but then he's much better schooled than the likes of Munroe.

Kalan wrote:

gilgamesh wrote: I'll have to rack my brain a little to see if I can come up with a time when a slower fighter beat a faster guy with better timing without having a height advantage

I can think of several and here's 3 instances... Duran was older, shorter, and slower, but beat faster, younger, green kid Davey Moore with better timing in their 154 Title Fight. Better timing especially on his jabs and counters ...... Kostya Tszyu lost the 1st round to the taller and faster Zab Judah. In the 2nd round KT threw a couple rights that Zab successfully dodged dipping to his right. Then Kostya got the timing perfect. He did quick feint first and flung another right. Zab dipped to his right again on the feint and dodged left directly into the punch ending the fight ..... Michael Nunn had a big lead on James Toney late in the fight. His corner told JT he needed a KO. Nunn was 4" taller, a little faster, and arguably more skilled. Toney was a super tough Middleweight and absorbed everything Nunn threw for 11 rounds. Toney dipped under a left timing a right counter beautifully. Nunn froze and Toney sent him flat on his back with a left hook. The referee should have stopped it there, but allowed Nunn to take a lot of unnecessary punishment and a horrific pasting.

Yeah I thought Toney started getting the timing down on Nunn in the 8th round. He still definitely needed the KO to win, but I thought he started winning all the rounds starting in the 8th. Fight started turning around from there. Nunn had swept the first 7.

Kosta Tszyu vs Zab Judah