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montrealsuper wrote:Interesting no roadwork for cardio - lots of water work - perhaps it's why his legs have stayed strong - Ali did a lot of running on roads with boots on which probably cost his legs their wondrous bounce and speed

Stevieb8006 wrote:its probably a joints thing with a man of his size

Kalan wrote:

Stevieb8006 wrote:its probably a joints thing with a man of his size

Your joints don't suffer from running unless you run on hard surfaces like concrete and asphalt... and skip rope on a wooden floor... What swimming does is build your wind. You need tremendous aerobic conditioning to swim long distances like a mile or more at a good pace.

Stevieb8006 wrote:

Kalan wrote:

Stevieb8006 wrote:its probably a joints thing with a man of his size

Your joints don't suffer from running unless you run on hard surfaces like concrete and asphalt... and skip rope on a wooden floor... What swimming does is build your wind. You need tremendous aerobic conditioning to swim long distances like a mile or more at a good pace.

Lots of bigger men cut out roadwork cos of its impact tho. I'd imagine when ints 19st bouncing up and down, injuries are harder to avoid

Bobbybids wrote:Taichi ..... Ali, Tyson, Dempsey, Louis, Marciano , Holmes all did roadwork, never touched weights , jumped rope, and did calesthetics. Thats not to say that everyone has to , but your suggestion that all heavyweights only need to spar and do weights I would suggest is wrong for most fighters. Imo

Bobbybids wrote:That could also be due to more scientific training , less long distance runs but more sprints, better diet , less bouts in a career and fighters beinG educated on how to live better outside of camp. EG B-HOP . Tbh never heard of a career cut short by bad joints in the heavyweights. only an opinion though. My fighters will carry on running but less distances as that is not always a good thing. Definately will not only be sparring and weights though .

Bobbybids wrote:An example. Years gone by boxers ate little to make weight and cut out water. Now frowned upon. Also another example, archie moore would chew steak and spit it out to get the good stuff with no weight. This is riduculous now with education. Top flight fighters who are those lasting longer now have nutritionists, and apart from some like Hatton ( who now regrets his way of life, ) they stay within so many percent of their fighting weight when not in full camp. This drastically helps and also means that a 10 week camp is used for fitness and tactics and not a 16 week one that takes 6weeks up losing weight. Ali ran in army boots. Look at pics of fighters running in the 30's and 40's , they ran in shoes or dancing pumps . now with all the advances in nutritional education, supplements being used, equipment etc fighters are having longer careers. Even less round ( 12 from 15), and less fights per year have all helped . Even less sparring in some gyms. Brenden Ingle almost never let his boys spar to the head . all helps to lengthen careers. As I say not many people have retired from boxing early with bad knees or shin splints. So much more to it . running HAS changed in training camps due to people realising that long distance for boxing is mostly redundant but not always due to injuries. Those lasting longer are living life better outside of camp as sell as being more sensible in .

Taichi wrote:

Bobbybids wrote:An example. Years gone by boxers ate little to make weight and cut out water. Now frowned upon. Also another example, archie moore would chew steak and spit it out to get the good stuff with no weight. This is riduculous now with education. Top flight fighters who are those lasting longer now have nutritionists, and apart from some like Hatton ( who now regrets his way of life, ) they stay within so many percent of their fighting weight when not in full camp. This drastically helps and also means that a 10 week camp is used for fitness and tactics and not a 16 week one that takes 6weeks up losing weight. Ali ran in army boots. Look at pics of fighters running in the 30's and 40's , they ran in shoes or dancing pumps . now with all the advances in nutritional education, supplements being used, equipment etc fighters are having longer careers. Even less round ( 12 from 15), and less fights per year have all helped . Even less sparring in some gyms. Brenden Ingle almost never let his boys spar to the head . all helps to lengthen careers. As I say not many people have retired from boxing early with bad knees or shin splints. So much more to it . running HAS changed in training camps due to people realising that long distance for boxing is mostly redundant but not always due to injuries. Those lasting longer are living life better outside of camp as sell as being more sensible in .

Aren't vitamins and homeopathy are useless? How does road work equate to wins?

montrealsuper wrote:Interesting no roadwork for cardio - lots of water work - perhaps it's why his legs have stayed strong - Ali did a lot of running on roads with boots on which probably cost his legs their wondrous bounce and speed ------ http://spam.com/2016/05/18/fitn ... klitschko/

Bobbybids wrote:Taichi ..... Ali, Tyson, Dempsey, Louis, Marciano , Holmes all did roadwork, never touched weights , jumped rope, and did calesthetics. Thats not to say that everyone has to , but your suggestion that all heavyweights only need to spar and do weights I would suggest is wrong for most fighters. Imo

montrealsuper wrote:I read that any distance you run over two miles is just for ego - and it's not good for the body especially the lower joints - excessive running is not good and you seldom see older people doing it because their bodies have broken down from running too much - Ali used to run on concrete in boots - absolutely terrible for his lower joints and probably explains why he lost his legs and his bounce and footspeed so early in his career - If Ali trained as intelligently as Klitschko he surely would have extended his reign by several years -

Kalan wrote:

montrealsuper wrote:I read that any distance you run over two miles is just for ego - and it's not good for the body especially the lower joints - excessive running is not good and you seldom see older people doing it because their bodies have broken down from running too much - Ali used to run on concrete in boots - absolutely terrible for his lower joints and probably explains why he lost his legs and his bounce and footspeed so early in his career - If Ali trained as intelligently as Klitschko he surely would have extended his reign by several years -

Ali got hit too much. It wasn't his legs it was his defense... Holmes fought Ray Mercer, Evander Holyfield, and Oliver McCall well into his 40's.. He didn't look like he was in the best shape a lot of times.. He lost a few, but he didn't get ripped for the most part.. Outstanding fundamental skills take you a long way.

Caractacus wrote:BTW wasn't that how Muhammad Ali originally got his hernia ?
running in boots in Boston ?