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52 fight challenge: Week 20 - Johnny Nelson vs Carl Thompson

Posted: 19 May 2016, 17:15
by Horse
Johnny Nelson vs Carl Thompson.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cRP6i4gZI1o

Watch and discuss.

Re: 52 fight challenge: Week 20 - Johnny Nelson vs Carl Thompson

Posted: 19 May 2016, 17:15
by Horse
Recent weeks' fights:

Week 19 - Charlie Magri vs Eleoncio Mercedes: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=200530
Week 18 - Barry McGuigan vs Eusebio Pedroza: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=200363
Week 17 - John Conteh vs Jorge Victor Ahumada: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=200128
Week 16 - Steve Collins vs Reggie Johnson: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=199947

Week 15 - Ken Buchanan vs Ismael Laguna II: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=199648
Week 14 - Randolph Turpin vs Sugar Ray Robinson I: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=199410
Week 13 - Alan Minter vs Kevin Finnegan II: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=199327
Week 12 - Herol Graham vs Mike McCallum: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=199118
Week 11 - Naseem Hamed vs Tom Johnson: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=198918

Week 10 - Nigel Benn vs Doug DeWitt: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=198730
Week 9 - Lennox Lewis vs Frank Bruno: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=198537
Week 8 - Walter McGowan vs Salvatore Burruni II: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=198338
Week 7 - Howard Winstone vs Vicente Saldivar I: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=198119
Week 6 - Chris Finnegan vs Bob Foster: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=197962

Week 5 - John H. Stracey vs Jose Napoles: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=197741
Week 4 - Jim Watt vs Alexis Arguello: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=197596
Week 3 - Lloyd Honeyghan vs Donald Curry: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=197431
Week 2 - Chris Eubank vs Michael Watson I: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=197276
Week 1 - Joe Calzaghe vs Robin Reid: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=197126


British & Irish boxing 52 fight history knowledge challenge thread: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=197079

Re: 52 fight challenge: Week 20 - Johnny Nelson vs Carl Thompson

Posted: 19 May 2016, 17:16
by Horse
Supplementary fights.

Carl Thompson vs Ezra Sellers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWC7aJUa52w



Johnny Nelson vs Adam Watt.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLwjP71GjRg

Re: 52 fight challenge: Week 20 - Johnny Nelson vs Carl Thompson

Posted: 19 May 2016, 18:00
by Boxerbeetle
I was fuming when Thompson was stopped, definitely premature in my eyes considering how durable he always was.

Re: 52 fight challenge: Week 20 - Johnny Nelson vs Carl Thompson

Posted: 19 May 2016, 18:33
by deadpan
If the roles were reversed it would not have been stopped.

Sickening.

Re: 52 fight challenge: Week 20 - Johnny Nelson vs Carl Thompson

Posted: 19 May 2016, 19:09
by crusader
Ezra Sellers had some serious power, which along with his glass chin made him very fun to watch. His fight with Alex Stewart was crazy as well and featured one of the best comebacks I've seen.

I just did a quick search on him and didn't realize that he died a few years ago!

Re: 52 fight challenge: Week 20 - Johnny Nelson vs Carl Thompson

Posted: 20 May 2016, 09:38
by stujones
Even more premature than I thought it was watching it again after a number of year. It was actually worst than Groves vs Froch - only thing in the refs favour is that Nelson was well on top throughout the fight (unlike Froch).

Re: 52 fight challenge: Week 20 - Johnny Nelson vs Carl Thompson

Posted: 20 May 2016, 19:05
by Seven Tapered Knives
Thread title needs editing; Thompson was the defending champion in this fight his name should be first (as it is in the Youtube clip)

Show some respect please :shame:

Re: 52 fight challenge: Week 20 - Johnny Nelson vs Carl Thompson

Posted: 21 May 2016, 12:42
by Autobarn
Yes Thompson was renowned for come from behind victories. Akim Tafer was really teeing off with many flush shots before Thompson made him unravel. And Thompson looked like he'd been electrocuted when Eubank hit him with the really sudden shots, early in a fight that Thompson won on his strength and stamina.

He had taken the worst of it from Nelson. Would Nelson have been able to sustain that level of boxing? It's a shame we didn't get to find out because though Nelson was boxing masterfully he was much more positive and active in this fight than any other.

If the referee hadn't jumped in we MAY have seen a Nelson fade and then Thompson would have got something going - at last.

It's interesting that Thompson subsequently won three come from behind stoppages when things looked very bad for him: Rothmann, Dunstan (though I think Carl had nudged ahead on the cards after the bad start) and Haye. So we know he had way more fight left in him. But could he have done it versus Nelson who had boxed so masterfully?

Re: 52 fight challenge: Week 20 - Johnny Nelson vs Carl Thompson

Posted: 22 May 2016, 00:57
by Neil Gee
I can only agree with what's been said in the thread so far: Thompson was known for his durability and could walk through batterings that would have stopped most men, but the ref decided he wasn't going to get a chance to show that tonight, why only he knows. He made it an easy night for Nelson when it should have been anything but. David Haye was giving Thompson a worse one sided battering than this and T came back to win it.

Re: 52 fight challenge: Week 20 - Johnny Nelson vs Carl Thompson

Posted: 24 May 2016, 14:29
by handsofstone
Terrible stoppeage from the ref ,i'd seen it before and knew of the controversy but that was the first time i'd seen it in its entirety,shame too coz it was hotting up to be a cracker,Nelson started off fast,the right hand he put Thompson down with was lovely,really sharp punch,you would've expected Carl to come into it,horrible way to lose your world title

Re: 52 fight challenge: Week 20 - Johnny Nelson vs Carl Thompson

Posted: 24 May 2016, 15:35
by orbtastic
Was ringside for this. Was a slightly odd venue and felt the stoppage was early but it kinda left him out in the cold after that.

Re: 52 fight challenge: Week 20 - Johnny Nelson vs Carl Thompson

Posted: 24 May 2016, 16:38
by Autobarn
I don't know, Thompson faced good opponents afterward. I'm sure the IBO title got him some decent paydays.

No one will forget the classic up and downer with Sellers that he lost.

Even that didn't stop him taking on worthy foes Rothmann, Dunstan and Haye in thrillers with Thompson overcoming shellackings and going in to beast mode to grind his tormentors down.

Re: 52 fight challenge: Week 20 - Johnny Nelson vs Carl Thompson

Posted: 25 May 2016, 14:12
by handsofstone
Thompson's fight with Sellers was one of the most bizarre fights ive ever seen,swung bang and forth like a pendulum,i never knew who won beforehand and didnt have a clue how it was gonna pan out,scorecards must have been all over the shop,peach of a KO from Sellers to end things though,bang on the chen

Notice after the KD that Thomspon scored at the end of the 1st that Steve Smodger helps Ezra back to the corner,that shouldnt have been allowed,he should have seen how he was after a 8 count

Fun fight :lol:

Re: 52 fight challenge: Week 20 - Johnny Nelson vs Carl Thompson

Posted: 25 May 2016, 14:19
by Counter-puncher
Seven Tapered Knives wrote:Thread title needs editing; Thompson was the defending champion in this fight his name should be first (as it is in the Youtube clip)

Show some respect please :shame:
Yes, how incredibly disrespectful. I can only imagine Thompsons despair and outrage were he to see this

Re: 52 fight challenge: Week 20 - Johnny Nelson vs Carl Thompson

Posted: 25 May 2016, 14:21
by Counter-puncher
handsofstone wrote:Thompson's fight with Sellers was one of the most bizarre fights ive ever seen,swung bang and forth like a pendulum,i never knew who won beforehand and didnt have a clue how it was gonna pan out,scorecards must have been all over the shop,peach of a KO from Sellers to end things though,bang on the chen lol:
Aye beautiful check right hook, sellers was trying it on for size all night before he hit bingo with it

Re: 52 fight challenge: Week 20 - Johnny Nelson vs Carl Thompson

Posted: 26 May 2016, 09:05
by THEBUTCH
Disgraceful stoppage and the last I saw when Paul Thomas was interview, he still stood by the stoppage. Nob! A terrible stoppage.

An easy way to cheer up is watch Thompson stage an amazing comeback against the Seb Rothman. Incredible will power from Carl when all seemed lost.

Re: 52 fight challenge: Week 20 - Johnny Nelson vs Carl Thompson

Posted: 26 May 2016, 15:10
by handsofstone
Nelson's fight with Watt was dire for 4 rounds but that 2 punch combo that KO'd Adam was as textbook as your likely to see anywhere,it was beautiful,there was no doubting Johnny was a talented boxer,slick and quick like all Wincobank fighters but there was just something missing from his armoury that made him fight within himself for long spells which probably cost him fans and money

Re: 52 fight challenge: Week 20 - Johnny Nelson vs Carl Thompson

Posted: 23 Jun 2016, 17:47
by Horse
Nelson - Thompson

10 - 9
9 - 10
10 - 9
10 - 8
- - - TKO

39-36 Nelson

As others have said: Terrible stoppage.

Re: 52 fight challenge: Week 20 - Johnny Nelson vs Carl Thompson

Posted: 25 Jun 2016, 00:26
by hitman_hatton1
orbtastic wrote:Was ringside for this. Was a slightly odd venue and felt the stoppage was early but it kinda left him out in the cold after that.
that look he give w*rren afterwards.

gets me everytime. :twisted:

Re: 52 fight challenge: Week 20 - Johnny Nelson vs Carl Thompson

Posted: 30 Jun 2016, 22:45
by davie
Nelson vs Thomson
10-9 - Johnny did very little wrong in the opener, impressive start
10-9 - Nelson again, did just enough, with both having spells. Nelson seeming to push with punches for no discernible reason.
10-9 - Nelson. Back on top for most of the round. Does seem to have dips during an otherwise impressive performance.
10-8 - Nelson. Good solid knockdown and dominated the majority of the round
Nelson ahead in the last round and landing some good punches and Thompson looked in a bit of trouble. But certainly shouldn't have been stopped when it was. Poor finish.

Nelson looked fantastic in spells. Good power and hand speed, good technique and throwing some nice combinations. Flashy evasive moves with nice punches coming from all angles
But he seemed to just slow up, frustratingly so, for no good reason throughout the fight.
It didn't even look like a Sturm/Abraham type performance, where they just do enough in flashes to nick the rounds, there were points where he was well on top and just started pushing punches out and switching off and getting caught up close.
I'm maybe doing Carl Thompson a disservice by saying this but Johnny looked a level or two above him when he went to work but just seemed to let Carl back into the fights in spells.

Re: 52 fight challenge: Week 20 - Johnny Nelson vs Carl Thompson

Posted: 22 Jul 2016, 16:59
by dookus
The consensus is bang-on for this: awful stoppage, especially against a defending champion. Thompson's poor balance always made him look much worse off than he actually was.