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I just followed an argument about "Who has the better resume, GGG or Canelo?" Golovkin has the better resume period. He fought guys who Canelo would NOT fight such as Murray, Lemieux, and Monroe, and never lost more than a round to them, while knocking them all out easily while having his access to the last 3 Lineal Middleweight Champions BLOCKED. Resumes INCLUDE KO RATIOS.. Anybody Canelo fought would be an UNDERDOG to GGG, including Mayweather who turned down GGG, Brook, and Thurman in favor of cherry picked Andre Berto.. CANELO would ALSO be an UNDERDOG to GGG and is AFRAID of GGG and WON'T fight him. After the China chinned, cherry picked Khan was easily KO'd by Canelo what was Khan's main suggestion to Canleo???? "FIGHT TRIPLE-G" ... and WHAT was renowned trainer Virgil Hunter's LOUD suggestion to Canelo???? "FIGHT TRIPLE-G" .... Those guys AREN'T ANY DIFFERENT than ANY OTHER FAN. They KNEW they were CHERRY PICKED and that the business of Boxing SUCKS!!! ... When a MAJOR SPORT is reduced to a BUSINESS and fans are treated as SUCKERS, than BOXING becomes a JOKE.. Then you might as well simply FORGET ABOUT who the BEST BOXER is and talk about who the shiftiest, cleverest, and best connected BUSINESSMAN is -- who fights the WEAKEST competition while SHUTTING OUT the most DANGEROUS OPPONENTS by the means of the most CUNNING and CORRUPT ORGS... PROMOTERS.. CONNECTIONS.. MEDIA HYPE ARTISTS.. JUDGES and REFEREES, and the underhanded spreading of money and influence to keep UNIFIED WORLD TITLES and LINEAL WORLD TITLES out of the hands of Golovkin... Kovalev... Lomachenko... Russell... Luis Ortiz... Rigondeaux... and other GREAT and DESERVING boxers, while also trying to limit their access to positive media coverage, training facilities, sparring partners, important fights, and doing WHATEVER you can do in an underhanded, conniving, predatory, anti-competitive, and despicable fashion to dominate Boxing as the cleverest criminal would dominate illegal drug distribution.

Duh

Great post Kalan.

The different sanctioning bodies sprang up in part, because good fighters couldn't get to fight the champion.

In regards to Canelo I think he painted himself into a corner. He wanted to fight Cotto for prestige and legacy reasons. He never wanted to stay at middleweight. Which is why Canelo should never have fought Cotto for the belt.

But here we are.

I would rather see Canelo come back down to 147lb (if that's still possible) and campaign there.
Triple G is the undisputed middleweight champion and long may he reign.

Lets not forget the fact there's always been corruption in boxing. The only thing that changes is the levels to which we (the viewing public) are exposed.

it always has and always will, if you could take a time machine back to any other era you would probably find people moaning about the state of the game, can just imagine it- "cant believe they are wearing gloves now, its gonna ruin the game"- "cant believe he defending against a black fella, its gonna ruin the game"- "cant believe there is an american and a british empire version of world title, its gonna ruin the game" - cant believe they not using london prize ring rules anymore, its gonna ruin the game"- " cant believe they dropping fights to 15 rounds, its gonna ruin the game" ect..... all the problems boxing has have always existed in some form, and boxers not fighting each other has been happening since the beginning, the game is flawed as fcuk maybe thats part of the appeal

littlepug wrote:it always has and always will, if you could take a time machine back to any other era you would probably find people moaning about the state of the game, can just imagine it- "cant believe they are wearing gloves now, its gonna ruin the game"- "cant believe he defending against a black fella, its gonna ruin the game"- "cant believe there is an american and a british empire version of world title, its gonna ruin the game" - cant believe they not using london prize ring rules anymore, its gonna ruin the game"- " cant believe they dropping fights to 15 rounds, its gonna ruin the game" ect..... all the problems boxing has have always existed in some form, and boxers not fighting each other has been happening since the beginning, the game is flawed as fcuk maybe thats part of the appeal

You're talking about rule changes to and the creation of boxing organizations and world champions who weren't recognized by Americans until the 1960's. Most everyone involved with Boxing knew who the most recognized World Champion was in every weight division prior to the 1960's. There was generally one World Champion in every division everyone had to beat to win the World Title. Floyd Patterson ducked Sonny Liston for a number of years but eventually he had to fight him. There was no way out.

European fighters Gustav Scholz and Lazlo Papp were denied Middleweight Title shots in the '50's and 60's and claimed they were denied visas as well. And obviously black boxers were denied fights and title shots for a long time, but in general there was much less "business" going on prior to creating multiple orgs... multiple boxing venues worldwide... and foreign promoters starting to bid up the money for extremely lucrative World Title Fights as well... The situation with Povetkin being falsely accused and smeared in the American media is particularly disturbing... so has Gennady Golovkin's 6-year hunt to get a shot at the Lineal Middleweight Title... Luis Ortiz unable to get an appropriate Heavyweight opponent... and Gary Russell reduced to having to fight push over Patrick Hyland, because Lee Selby and Leo Santa Cruz simply refuse to fight him.

Kalan wrote:

littlepug wrote:it always has and always will, if you could take a time machine back to any other era you would probably find people moaning about the state of the game, can just imagine it- "cant believe they are wearing gloves now, its gonna ruin the game"- "cant believe he defending against a black fella, its gonna ruin the game"- "cant believe there is an american and a british empire version of world title, its gonna ruin the game" - cant believe they not using london prize ring rules anymore, its gonna ruin the game"- " cant believe they dropping fights to 15 rounds, its gonna ruin the game" ect..... all the problems boxing has have always existed in some form, and boxers not fighting each other has been happening since the beginning, the game is flawed as fcuk maybe thats part of the appeal

You're talking about rule changes to and the creation of boxing organizations and world champions who weren't recognized by Americans until the 1960's. Most everyone involved with Boxing knew who the most recognized World Champion was in every weight division prior to the 1960's. There was generally one World Champion in every division everyone had to beat to win the World Title. Floyd Patterson ducked Sonny Liston for a number of years but eventually he had to fight him. There was no way out.

European fighters Gustav Scholz and Lazlo Papp were denied Middleweight Title shots in the '50's and 60's and claimed they were denied visas as well. And obviously black boxers were denied fights and title shots for a long time, but in general there was much less "business" going on prior to creating multiple orgs... multiple boxing venues worldwide... and foreign promoters starting to bid up the money for extremely lucrative World Title Fights as well... The situation with Povetkin being falsely accused and smeared in the American media is particularly disturbing... so has Gennady Golovkin's 6-year hunt to get a shot at the Lineal Middleweight Title... Luis Ortiz unable to get an appropriate Heavyweight opponent... and Gary Russell reduced to having to fight push over Patrick Hyland, because Lee Selby and Leo Santa Cruz simply refuse to fight him.

I know what your saying mate but in all honesty I think boxing has done well to last this long in an ever changing world, boxers are more savvy these days, if their getting punched in the head these days they want minimum risk maximum reward and they got to "play the game" to a certain extent, its never gonna be like the old days but if you watch it for long enough you'll come across a good fight every now an then

littlepug wrote:its never gonna be like the old days but if you watch it for long enough you'll come across a good fight

It's a lot better than the old days - because there's many more countries fighting - the talent pool is so much deeper - and you can check out boxers records on Boxrec and see their fights on Youtube... However the BEST fighters should be allowed to take the HIGHEST risks. They shouldn't be forced to fight the Dominic Wade's of the world -- and give fans trash walkover fights. It should be the best fighting the best -- and not the 5th best fighting the 35th best because what he WANTS is a certain victory... and the best fighting the 15th best because nobody else will fight him.. Both fights stink.. But if the 2 best Middleweights were fighting that will be a lot more interesting for the fans.

Kalan wrote:

littlepug wrote:its never gonna be like the old days but if you watch it for long enough you'll come across a good fight

It's a lot better than the old days - because there's many more countries fighting - the talent pool is so much deeper - and you can check out boxers records on Boxrec and see their fights on Youtube... However the BEST fighters should be allowed to take the HIGHEST risks. They shouldn't be forced to fight the Dominic Wade's of the world -- and give fans trash walkover fights. It should be the best fighting the best -- and not the 5th best fighting the 35th best because what he WANTS is a certain victory... and the best fighting the 15th best because nobody else will fight him.. Both fights stink.. But if the 2 best Middleweights were fighting that will be a lot more interesting for the fans.

I know its frustrating, but its not new, theres been loads of potential matchups in the past I would loved to have materialized but for one reason or another they just dont

Kalan wrote:I just followed an argument about "Who has the better resume, GGG or Canelo?" Golovkin has the better resume period. He fought guys who Canelo would NOT fight such as Murray, Lemieux, and Monroe, and never lost more than a round to them, while knocking them all out easily while having his access to the last 3 Lineal Middleweight Champions BLOCKED. Resumes INCLUDE KO RATIOS.. Anybody Canelo fought would be an UNDERDOG to GGG, including Mayweather who turned down GGG, Brook, and Thurman in favor of cherry picked Andre Berto.. CANELO would ALSO be an UNDERDOG to GGG and is AFRAID of GGG and WON'T fight him. After the China chinned, cherry picked Khan was easily KO'd by Canelo what was Khan's main suggestion to Canleo???? "FIGHT TRIPLE-G" ... and WHAT was renowned trainer Virgil Hunter's LOUD suggestion to Canelo???? "FIGHT TRIPLE-G" .... Those guys AREN'T ANY DIFFERENT than ANY OTHER FAN. They KNEW they were CHERRY PICKED and that the business of Boxing SUCKS!!! ... When a MAJOR SPORT is reduced to a BUSINESS and fans are treated as SUCKERS, than BOXING becomes a JOKE.. Then you might as well simply FORGET ABOUT who the BEST BOXER is and talk about who the shiftiest, cleverest, and best connected BUSINESSMAN is -- who fights the WEAKEST competition while SHUTTING OUT the most DANGEROUS OPPONENTS by the means of the most CUNNING and CORRUPT ORGS... PROMOTERS.. CONNECTIONS.. MEDIA HYPE ARTISTS.. JUDGES and REFEREES, and the underhanded spreading of money and influence to keep UNIFIED WORLD TITLES and LINEAL WORLD TITLES out of the hands of Golovkin... Kovalev... Lomachenko... Russell... Luis Ortiz... Rigondeaux... and other GREAT and DESERVING boxers, while also trying to limit their access to positive media coverage, training facilities, sparring partners, important fights, and doing WHATEVER you can do in an underhanded, conniving, predatory, anti-competitive, and despicable fashion to dominate Boxing as the cleverest criminal would dominate illegal drug distribution.

I love GGG. He's my favourite international fighter. Have watched him for years and have always been a fan but you take it to a new level! You would probably sook a fart out his arse if he told you to!

Prick

I'm a big G3 fan and was hoping Canelo would fight him. From a business standpoint, I can see why Golden Boy is keeping Canelo out of the ring. From a fan standpoint, it sucks.

However Canelo has the better resume, IMO, over G3. He's been in and defeated much bigger names, regardless how some people feel on a few of the scorecards. I thought he beat both Trout and Lara close. Also on a betting line or casino, Mayweather wouldn't be an underdog vs. Canelo. I wouldn't see Canelo having any problem facing Murray or Monroe either. They are decent guys, but not names to fear.

What a waste of space

armageto wrote: [Canelo] been in and defeated much bigger names, regardless how some people feel on a few of the scorecards

Canelo would be a huge UNDERDOG to GGG but he's been able to fight bigger names - because GGG has been walled off from fights with Sergio Matinez, Mayweather, Miguel Cotto, Canelo, Saunders, Quillin, Jacobs, and unfortunately Dmitry Pirog suffered a career ending injury training for Golovkin - but Pirog knocked out Jacobs with one shot for his only defeat... That is the BUSINESS of Boxing... NOT fighting a guy because he would probably beat you... And then saying "Who has he fought???" That really stinks. Golovkin owns EVERY Middleweight belt and if he gets a fight with Saunders he'll have 5 of them. You would think challengers would have to come to GGG at that point - but maybe they'll create a way to split the titles away from him without fighting him. You never know what they'll try in this business.

Kalan wrote:

armageto wrote: [Canelo] been in and defeated much bigger names, regardless how some people feel on a few of the scorecards

Canelo would be a huge UNDERDOG to GGG but he's been able to fight bigger names - because GGG has been walled off from fights with Sergio Matinez, Mayweather, Miguel Cotto, Canelo, Saunders, Quillin, Jacobs, and unfortunately Dmitry Pirog suffered a career ending injury training for Golovkin - but Pirog knocked out Jacobs with one shot for his only defeat... That is the BUSINESS of Boxing... NOT fighting a guy because he would probably beat you... And then saying "Who has he fought???" That really stinks. Golovkin owns EVERY Middleweight belt and if he gets a fight with Saunders he'll have 5 of them. You would think challengers would have to come to GGG at that point - but maybe they'll create a way to split the titles away from him without fighting him. You never know what they'll try in this business.

My point being Canelo still has a better overall resume compared to G3. That is no fault of G3, but Canelo has a stronger resume. Mayweather, Trout, Lara, and Cotto are P4P better than anyone G3 has faced.

G3 will eventually get Saunders to unify all the belts. He'll be where the money is at in the division with Canelo probably moving down to 154. So I expect bigger fights for him soon in the division by holding all the belts and being the top earner.

armageto wrote:My point being Canelo still has a better overall resume compared to G3. That is no fault of G3, but Canelo has a stronger resume. Mayweather, Trout, Lara, and Cotto are P4P better than anyone G3 has faced.

G3 will eventually get Saunders to unify all the belts. He'll be where the money is at in the division with Canelo probably moving down to 154. So I expect bigger fights for him soon in the division by holding all the belts and being the top earner.

That exactly what the TOPIC is about... GGG is 34. He's NOT a kid. He's been chasing the Lineal Title for SIX YEARS... If he were an American and well connected he'd be in a much stronger position - maybe Light Heavyweight Champion by now. This is why the business side of Boxing sucks, because deserving fighters are avoided with Dontae's, Mayweather's, Haymon's, DiBella's, Arum's and Oscar's approval.

GGG isn't the only outstanding boxer getting shafted royally.. Gary Russell, Vasyl Lomachenko, Luis Ortiz, Sergei Kovalev, Kell Brook, Keith Thurman, Terence Crawford, and many other outstanding boxers have been given a royal screw job by duckers -- while Mayweather, Khan, Canelo, Cotto, Sergio Martinez, Stevenson, Santa Cruz, Mares, Pacquiao, Wilder, and other cherry-pickers thrive.