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I understand this is a unification fight and therefore takes precedence over a mandatory or even a proposed bout. But whatever happened to Brook fighting Chaves?
Should Brook win against Vargas will he be able to avoid Spence by fighting WBO mandatories as oppose to IBF mandatories (namely Spence Jr)?

What's the letter of the law on this?

G.McClellan wrote:I understand this is a unification fight and therefore takes precedence over a mandatory or even a proposed bout. But whatever happened to Brook fighting Chaves?
Should Brook win against Vargas will he be able to avoid Spence by fighting WBO mandatories as oppose to IBF mandatories (namely Spence Jr)?

What's the letter of the law on this?

IBF will gladly strip him if he doesn't follow there rules, which i think is a mandatory every 9 months?

Spence would have to be his next fight, just as Glazkov had to be Fury's post-Wladamir.

Brook won't be avoiding Spence. Nobody will. He's not some magically talented feared fighter, people need to get real. Brook will fight him and would be the favourite

Spence Jr has to fight a Russian fellow(whose name escapes me) before getting his title shot

Spence has to fight Konstantin Ponomarev first to become mandatory I can't see brook avoiding the fight can everyone remember what people were saying about porter after he destroyed malinaggi? Similar situation algieri was a decent lightwelterweight and fair play to him winning a world title but will do nothing at welterweight and brook would've done a similar job on him

After careful examination of Brook's past choices, hard to say what he would do. Spence can definitely beat him, seriously doubt Vargas can. Errol isn't going anywhere he's the real deal no matter what people think.

JamieD99 wrote:Brook won't be avoiding Spence. Nobody will. He's not some magically talented feared fighter, people need to get real. Brook will fight him and would be the favourite

Even you don't believe this. So what chance do the rest of us?

If Spence is smartly matched I think he'll get better and better and turn in to a real force. Right now he should keep away from Brook. On the other hand, if Brook wants to fight him it should be ASAP because as I said, he's only going to get better so timing is everything here. Brook should stop Vargas then I hope he will step it up again.

G.McClellan wrote:

JamieD99 wrote:Brook won't be avoiding Spence. Nobody will. He's not some magically talented feared fighter, people need to get real. Brook will fight him and would be the favourite

Even you don't believe this. So what chance do the rest of us?

Well I do. Brook is a proven welterweight, Spence has done nothing apart from beat a light welterweight gate keeper. Get real.

G.McClellan wrote:

JamieD99 wrote:Brook won't be avoiding Spence. Nobody will. He's not some magically talented feared fighter, people need to get real. Brook will fight him and would be the favourite

Even you don't believe this. So what chance do the rest of us?

If Brook's next defence was vs Spence in the UK, he'd be @ least 1/4 favourite.
Spence looks promising of course, but he's never been 12 rounds/fought on a big show/in a hostile atmosphere/beat anywhere near the class of Brook.
He could be the next Terrence Crawford or the next Jeff Lacy...

skanksta wrote: He could be the next Terrence Crawford or the next Jeff Lacy...

most people on here think berto is a bum, so if spence doesn't turn out to be the
next ray robinsin people here will turn on him just as fast, no matter how many
exciting competitive fights he delivers against top 5-10 guys.

JamieD99 wrote:

G.McClellan wrote:

JamieD99 wrote:Brook won't be avoiding Spence. Nobody will. He's not some magically talented feared fighter, people need to get real. Brook will fight him and would be the favourite

Even you don't believe this. So what chance do the rest of us?

Well I do. Brook is a proven welterweight, Spence has done nothing apart from beat a light welterweight gate keeper. Get real.

I Believe it as well. If it happens within a year, Brook would definitely be the bookmakers favorite. Spence has definitely got potential don't get me wrong - but this is the right time for any of the big names in WW to face Spence I believe - so they won't be ducking him.

Even if you believe Brook is so many rungs on the ladder higher up than any of Spence's opponents. You would have to concede it doesn't appear Kell holds the same view, given his recent opposition.
Kell is showing ambition going after Vargas, whereas Spence's team has yet to get him a title shot. The fact Kell has a belt and took the title from an undefeated champion, on foreign soil, makes him the better fighter based on accomplishments alone.
With the talent Spence possesses, I expected him to be where Brook is today. And he would be if his team weren't holding the reins so tight.

Acknowledging Kell's standing in the game isn't the same as saying he'd beat Spence Jr.
For me and many others Spence has shown enough promise (albeit against limited opposition) that only the very best in the division would stand a chance against him.

And I don't think any reasonable assessment of Kell would conclude he were the best on offer.

i believe bradley will get the brook-vargas winner.
bradley obviously has earned a higher ranking than spence.
the next guy spence fights also won't be as good as any of bradley's last 10 opponents,
and bradley would be a bigger money, higher profile fight.

Saw Ponomarev a couple of years ago. At the time he blew me away. I went on record saying he was top 5 best prospects in the world.

Unfortunately he hasn't developed as much as I'd hoped. I fancy Spence to beat him but it's definetly not a forgone conclusion.

Because I saw him so early and how much I raved bout him I will really be cheering him on.

Pono is a worthy challenger, for sure. Every fight is a big test for Spence when he steps up. Spence will be the first one to admit he needs to prove himself every fight. Like I and several others said before the Algieri fight, it will tell us a lot about Spence. We knew what Algieri brought, and it was a very solid chin that Provo, Pacquiao, and Khan couldn't stop. He was dead even imo with Khan, or at least very close. Pac blew him out but couldn't stop him. Spence stopped him after out-boxing him, and breaking his body down.

Brook will beat Vargas, but it may be tougher than he thinks. It will be Brook's 2nd toughest opponent in his career imo...which is kind of sad for 35 fights. Spence will then collect two belts at the same time when he beats Brook. Brook's jab and grab like he did vs Porter won't work. Spence punished algieri every time he tried to hold him. Spence is definitely ready for elite fighters. I expect Brook to give him a good fight, but think he gets stopped late.

Apparently this fight is a no go according to reports from various sources. Negotiations stalled and no binding agreement ever existed between the two camps for a fight. Shame if it is true but it could be possible this latest stance is just for publicity to help drum up interest to sell tickets, hoping any way.

Something needs to happen in brooks career whatever's going on, and fast

Oiky wrote:Something needs to happen in brooks career whatever's going on, and fast

It looks like you got your wish....hanks to Vargas for dragging his feet and demanding 7 figures to meet Brook in his home country.