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What has he done really? Gotten ultra rude in the face offs with Wladimir Klitschko? Too: How was it they allowed him to come forward and he agreed to pay only the IBF Sanctioning fees? And, how much are those fees? Has this happen ever before in recent times? [Maybe the governing should charge a lesser fee when multi titles are involved??]
What's BoxRec BRASS have for input on this one??

allInmoderationAIM wrote:What has he done really? Gotten ultra rude in the face offs with Wladimir Klitschko? Too: How was it they allowed him to come forward and he agreed to pay only the IBF Sanctioning fees? And, how much are those fees? Has this happen ever before in recent times? [Maybe the governing should charge a lesser fee when multi titles are involved??]
What's BoxRec BRASS have for input on this one??

Because he is much better historically than the people below him. And he is really good fighter.

Pulev sucks, agreed... He couldn't stop Dereck Chisora who Haye blew out easily... Yet he's ranked ahead of Joshua and Ortiz who stop everybody.

1. earned his mando by beating kocking out dimitrenko, then ustinov then Thompson
2. beaten guys like chisora
stepped up rapidly with derrick rossy, skelton, guinn etc, years ago when guys are still facing them now in their 40s
3.people will be riding Luis Ortiz for beating 45yo Thompson ans soon 40yo ustiniv, yet when pulev does it it means nothing
4. alot of north american bias

5. people will say chisora is a good win for dillian whyte when they fight in Xmas, but take glory away from pulev

basically as the saying goes, haters gonna hate

Kalan wrote:Pulev sucks, agreed... He couldn't stop Dereck Chisora who Haye blew out easily... Yet he's ranked ahead of Joshua and Ortiz who stop everybody.

so your theory is joshua >>> vitali as the former stopped johnson and vitali never?

Kalan wrote:Pulev sucks, agreed... He couldn't stop Dereck Chisora who Haye blew out easily... Yet he's ranked ahead of Joshua and Ortiz who stop everybody.

Joshua stops everyone because he is a big knockout puncher. That doesnt mean he is better then lesser punchers. Boxing is not just punching power. Pulev has more credible wins then AJ, wins against better opposition. If their level of opposition was the same then the manner of winning would matter. If you noticed Parker was also stopping everyone, but as soon as he stepped up and fought his first high level opponent, Takam, he was not able to get the stoppage. Same is true for Wilders win over Stiverne. Joshua have not yet stepped up. Lets see how long will his KO streak lasts. Sooner or late he will fight someone skilled and alive.

This forum has been taken over by trolls.

Horse wrote:This forum has been taken over by trolls.

I wouldn't be surprised if a some of them are the same person to be honest.

Because he's good...

Because he beat a lot of people with good records who were highly rated at the time.

Next question please...

Kalan wrote:Pulev sucks, agreed... He couldn't stop Dereck Chisora who Haye blew out easily... Yet he's ranked ahead of Joshua and Ortiz who stop everybody.

Thar isn't how boxing works.

Editor - can we lock this thread. I'm not a Pulev fan, he's a good fighter; depending on when and who he fights, a world champion perhaps; but worthy of his ranking across BoxRec and Alphabets.

Uneducated, inaccurate and basically a waste of memory.

cold187 wrote:so your theory is joshua >>> vitali as the former stopped johnson and vitali never?

I don't have a theory... I deal in facts. Vitali beat Johnson when he was about 30 and had been fighting pro for 7 years... Joshua was expected to beat an aging and deteriorated King Pin - but the general consensus was it would take him several rounds... I thought it would be a 1-round job, but the bottom line is Joshua had 12 fights and 22 rounds of pro experience and it was a horrendous mismatch and quick disposal.

Is Joshua ahead of a 27-year-old Vitali Klitschko??? You bet your ass he is... Previous to Joshua I would say Vitali was the best ever Heavyweight... VK was never behind on points in any fight... He was beating Lewis on ALL scorecards when that fight was over... VK was never knocked down... He only lost 2 fights due to injury - he was never outboxed or out-punched in any fight... But I think Joshua easily overtakes anything Vitali's done and I think Joshua would have murdered the somewhat hittable Lennox Lewis... Lewis's best assets were his unusual height, weight, reach, strength, physical toughness and punching power, but he wasn't the thinker Joshua is... Vitali was always little stiff due to the massive leg injuries he suffered as a kick boxer.. From age 33 to age 37 Vitali was forced to take 4 years off to rehab his legs and get them working better.. That was a major chunk out of his boxing career... Joshua has no such physical problems.

Tarkus wrote:

Kalan wrote:Pulev sucks, agreed... He couldn't stop Dereck Chisora who Haye blew out easily... Yet he's ranked ahead of Joshua and Ortiz who stop everybody.

Joshua stops everyone because he is a big knockout puncher. That doesnt mean he is better then lesser punchers. Boxing is not just punching power. Pulev has more credible wins then AJ, wins against better opposition. If their level of opposition was the same then the manner of winning would matter. If you noticed Parker was also stopping everyone, but as soon as he stepped up and fought his first high level opponent, Takam, he was not able to get the stoppage. Same is true for Wilders win over Stiverne. Joshua have not yet stepped up. Lets see how long will his KO streak lasts. Sooner or late he will fight someone skilled and alive.

If Joshua were matched with Pulev he would be a huge and justified favorite... He's a much better boxer.. He's a much better puncher.. he's harder to hit cleanly...and he's not as tedious to watch.. Pulev doesn't do anything imaginative except rabbit punch like a bitch. He bores my ass off.. His only non-boring fight was Wladimir Klitschko where he was getting his ass knocked down repeatedly until he was crushed.. He's a punching bag.

I agree with that actually ^, from before 2015 I think Vitali simply was the best boxer ever and nowadays Anthony Joshua seems to have the most potential ever.
Even the biggest and most famous boxers ever have worser statistics as AJ, even Wladimir Klitschko says AJ is the best heavyweight talent he has ever seen.
Vitali has the best resume and best stats of all boxers in his era and he didn't fight bums, like Wilder and Fabio Maldonado do.



I disagree about your Pulev opinion. Pulev isn't a world top contender, but he's certainly a top 15 contender, top 10 perhaps even.

He beat Dimitrenko and Thompson and Chisora. That's a better resume than the vast majority of HWs.

Who is ranked below him that you think has a better resume? Ortiz is the only possibility I can see and that's highly debatable.

He's someone who deserves his high ranking based on resume, although going just by ability I'd probably place him lower.

Kalan wrote:

Tarkus wrote:

Kalan wrote:Pulev sucks, agreed... He couldn't stop Dereck Chisora who Haye blew out easily... Yet he's ranked ahead of Joshua and Ortiz who stop everybody.

Joshua stops everyone because he is a big knockout puncher. That doesnt mean he is better then lesser punchers. Boxing is not just punching power. Pulev has more credible wins then AJ, wins against better opposition. If their level of opposition was the same then the manner of winning would matter. If you noticed Parker was also stopping everyone, but as soon as he stepped up and fought his first high level opponent, Takam, he was not able to get the stoppage. Same is true for Wilders win over Stiverne. Joshua have not yet stepped up. Lets see how long will his KO streak lasts. Sooner or late he will fight someone skilled and alive.

If Joshua were matched with Pulev he would be a huge and justified favorite... He's a much better boxer.. He's a much better puncher.. he's harder to hit cleanly...and he's not as tedious to watch.. Pulev doesn't do anything imaginative except rabbit punch like a bitch. He bores my ass off.. His only non-boring fight was Wladimir Klitschko where he was getting his ass knocked down repeatedly until he was crushed.. He's a punching bag.

Those are you opinions (pretty pathetic at that). Has nothing to do with the reality of the situation. And the reality is that Joshua is unproven and can not be rate higher then a proven fighter. Get that simple thing into your head. I am not debating you, I am trying to explain to you something here. I am doing you a favor.

As for level of your entertainment. Who gives a fvck.

asdfjkl wrote:I agree with that actually ^, from before 2015 I think Vitali simply was the best boxer ever and nowadays Anthony Joshua seems to have the most potential ever.
Even the biggest and most famous boxers ever have worser statistics as AJ, even Wladimir Klitschko says AJ is the best heavyweight talent he has ever seen.
Vitali has the best resume and best stats of all boxers in his era and he didn't fight bums, like Wilder and Fabio Maldonado do.



I disagree about your Pulev opinion. Pulev isn't a world top contender, but he's certainly a top 15 contender, top 10 perhaps even.

Maybe, but a lot of questions need answering first, he is yet to even fight a good evasive fighter, no one he has fought even matches the achievements of Chisora, and the only ones even close were totally utterly shot, he hasn't fought pro out of the UK. Not to mention he hasn't seen round 8, and the only time he got close his opponent had utterly gassed.

BitPlayer wrote:Maybe, but a lot of questions need answering first, he is yet to even fight a good evasive fighter, no one he has fought even matches the achievements of Chisora, and the only ones even close were totally utterly shot, he hasn't fought pro out of the UK. Not to mention he hasn't seen round 8, and the only time he got close his opponent had utterly gassed.

You don't need all that... He's owns a Heavyweight Championship and he's destroyed all his opponents... If Hammer can get licks on Fury and Martin CAN'T get any licks on Joshua that tells you something... That shows you how evasive Joshua is... And if Johnson easily goes 12 with Fury and can barely get out of the 1st round with Joshua that tells you lot more... AJ is tearing it up dude. If you can't see that you don't know Boxing.

"no one he has fought even matches the achievements of Chisora"

Charles Martin was undefeated in 25 fights and World Heavweight Champion. That more than matches Chisora who's lost many, many fights. Chisora sucks eggs.. Joshua would smash him out in the first round without even trying.

Kalan wrote:

BitPlayer wrote:Maybe, but a lot of questions need answering first, he is yet to even fight a good evasive fighter, no one he has fought even matches the achievements of Chisora, and the only ones even close were totally utterly shot, he hasn't fought pro out of the UK. Not to mention he hasn't seen round 8, and the only time he got close his opponent had utterly gassed.

You don't need all that... He's owns a Heavyweight Championship and he's destroyed all his opponents... If Hammer can get licks on Fury and Martin CAN'T get any licks on Joshua that tells you something... That shows you how evasive Joshua is... And if Johnson easily goes 12 with Fury and can barely get out of the 1st round with Joshua that tells you lot more... AJ is tearing it up dude. If you can't see that you don't know Boxing.

His belt is a joke, the Kingpin Tyson fought was pretty past it, but the Kingpin Joshua fought was so shot he could barely hold his guard up, and an inexperienced clubfighter freezing up doesn't make you evasive. Whyte was hitting him rather easilly, even Cornish and Kingpin, who Hammer beat BTW, landed a few.

Kalan wrote:"no one he has fought even matches the achievements of Chisora"

Charles Martin was undefeated in 25 fights and World Heavweight Champion. That more than matches Chisora who's lost many, many fights. Chisora sucks eggs.. Joshua would smash him out in the first round without even trying.

Martin's belt is not worth more than the international belt Chisora won by beating Scott, who outland Glazkov when they fought BTW. But you'd maybe have a point if Martin's unbeaten run consisted of Tyson Fury, David Haye, and Vitali Klitschko, but it didn't. Fighting lots of guys Chisora has beat doesn't elevate him above Chisora. Chisora has fought better opponents, beat better opponents, and won more titles.

BitPlayer wrote:The Kingpin Tyson fought was pretty past it, but the Kingpin Joshua fought was so shot he could barely hold his guard up, and an inexperienced clubfighter freezing up doesn't make you evasive. Whyte was hitting him rather easilly, even Cornish and Kingpin, who Hammer beat BTW, landed a few.

Whyte wasn't hitting Joshua rather easily. Whyte won 1 round if you're generous.. Cornish and Kingpin didn't hit Joshua with a decent shot.. Unless you thought Ali hit Holmes easily because he landed 2 or 3 fluff shots in 10 rounds.. Whyte landed some hard punches. He was 16-0 and fought hard.. Joshua was 14-0 and fought HARDER.. There was NO bitch holding... NO bitch wrestling... NO bitch rabbit punching... NO bitch running... and NO bitch fluffy punching ... Tyson Fury's punches look as fluffy as Cornish's at times.. Nothing on them.. - and Pulev is another fluffy hitter.

Heavyweights who can punch = Joshua, Ortiz, and Haye.. Those guys fk people up.. WTF kinda punching was that in Pulev vs Chisora GTFO!!!

Ignore the attention seeking troll. He needs to find a bird quick