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Unlike Sharapova, Povetkin was far far far under all limits, in fact the WBC title should have been taken away from Wilder, no matter how much press and media he got behind him.

So Povetkin won't get a ban, that's already known, the debate is if the purse bid still counts.

asdfjkl wrote:Unlike Sharapova, Povetkin was far far far under all limits, in fact the WBC title should have been taken away from Wilder, no matter how much press and media he got behind him.

So Povetkin won't get a ban, that's already known, the debate is if the purse bid still counts.

This will be hard for you to answer, but can you explain why the belt should have been taken away from Wilder in a logical, fact based manner? Wilder had nothing to do with Povetkin getting busted for testing positive.

Badhusker wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:Unlike Sharapova, Povetkin was far far far under all limits, in fact the WBC title should have been taken away from Wilder, no matter how much press and media he got behind him.

So Povetkin won't get a ban, that's already known, the debate is if the purse bid still counts.

This will be hard for you to answer, but can you explain why the belt should have been taken away from Wilder in a logical, fact based manner? Wilder had nothing to do with Povetkin getting busted for testing positive.

According to the rules the champion has to fight his mandatory within a year, Wilder failed to do so, so the belt should be taken away right?


"3.5 Mandatory Defense Obligations. All WBC champions shall make at least one (1)
mandatory defense per year, unless an exception is granted by the WBC in its sole
discretion. A champion may be required to make more than one mandatory defense per
year, if the WBC has designated more than one mandatory challenger for any reason. No
bout shall be considered a mandatory defense unless expressly approved as mandatory by
the WBC, and made exclusively against an official mandatory challenger designated by the
WBC. A challenger who wins the title shall automatically inherit the mandatory defense
obligations of the champion he defeated, unless the WBC in its sole discretion otherwise
directs. "

asdfjkl wrote:

Badhusker wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:Unlike Sharapova, Povetkin was far far far under all limits, in fact the WBC title should have been taken away from Wilder, no matter how much press and media he got behind him.

So Povetkin won't get a ban, that's already known, the debate is if the purse bid still counts.

This will be hard for you to answer, but can you explain why the belt should have been taken away from Wilder in a logical, fact based manner? Wilder had nothing to do with Povetkin getting busted for testing positive.

According to the rules the champion has to fight his mandatory within a year, Wilder failed to do so, so the belt should be taken away right?


"3.5 Mandatory Defense Obligations. All WBC champions shall make at least one (1)
mandatory defense per year, unless an exception is granted by the WBC in its sole
discretion. A champion may be required to make more than one mandatory defense per
year, if the WBC has designated more than one mandatory challenger for any reason. No
bout shall be considered a mandatory defense unless expressly approved as mandatory by
the WBC, and made exclusively against an official mandatory challenger designated by the
WBC. A challenger who wins the title shall automatically inherit the mandatory defense
obligations of the champion he defeated, unless the WBC in its sole discretion otherwise
directs. "

Absolutely absurd.

He can't fight a guy with inconclusive drug test results.
If the WBC clear Povetkin and make him mandatory Wilder will fight him.
The issue is nothing to do with Wilder and now lands in the hands of the WBC

PredatorHayds wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

Badhusker wrote:
This will be hard for you to answer, but can you explain why the belt should have been taken away from Wilder in a logical, fact based manner? Wilder had nothing to do with Povetkin getting busted for testing positive.

According to the rules the champion has to fight his mandatory within a year, Wilder failed to do so, so the belt should be taken away right?


"3.5 Mandatory Defense Obligations. All WBC champions shall make at least one (1)
mandatory defense per year, unless an exception is granted by the WBC in its sole
discretion. A champion may be required to make more than one mandatory defense per
year, if the WBC has designated more than one mandatory challenger for any reason. No
bout shall be considered a mandatory defense unless expressly approved as mandatory by
the WBC, and made exclusively against an official mandatory challenger designated by the
WBC. A challenger who wins the title shall automatically inherit the mandatory defense
obligations of the champion he defeated, unless the WBC in its sole discretion otherwise
directs. "

Absolutely absurd.

He can't fight a guy with inconclusive drug test results.
If the WBC clear Povetkin and make him mandatory Wilder will fight him.
The issue is nothing to do with Wilder and now lands in the hands of the WBC

Povetkin already proved himself to be clean...

asdfjkl wrote:

PredatorHayds wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: According to the rules the champion has to fight his mandatory within a year, Wilder failed to do so, so the belt should be taken away right?


"3.5 Mandatory Defense Obligations. All WBC champions shall make at least one (1)
mandatory defense per year, unless an exception is granted by the WBC in its sole
discretion. A champion may be required to make more than one mandatory defense per
year, if the WBC has designated more than one mandatory challenger for any reason. No
bout shall be considered a mandatory defense unless expressly approved as mandatory by
the WBC, and made exclusively against an official mandatory challenger designated by the
WBC. A challenger who wins the title shall automatically inherit the mandatory defense
obligations of the champion he defeated, unless the WBC in its sole discretion otherwise
directs. "

Absolutely absurd.

He can't fight a guy with inconclusive drug test results.
If the WBC clear Povetkin and make him mandatory Wilder will fight him.
The issue is nothing to do with Wilder and now lands in the hands of the WBC

Povetkin already proved himself to be clean...

No he didn't. Stop lying.

jockpunk wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

PredatorHayds wrote: Absolutely absurd.

He can't fight a guy with inconclusive drug test results.
If the WBC clear Povetkin and make him mandatory Wilder will fight him.
The issue is nothing to do with Wilder and now lands in the hands of the WBC

Povetkin already proved himself to be clean...

No he didn't. Stop lying.

Yes he did, I don't lie.
Wada already confirmed they didn't know the details about meldonium and it can still come up every once in a while in such low margins.

But still, Americans are funny when it comes to cheating this way, if Povetkin accepted the fight in januari he was allowed to have well over 200 times as much meldonium in his body, no problem and before that it was even unlimited.

I quote this from someone else:

"70 nanograms is juiced to the gills but 750 ml thru the vein is cool?
**** outta here..."

I lolled hard, but that's exactly what happened with Mayweather and Povetkin right now.

6 months...top.
WBC wants Riabinski's money too much.

asdfjkl wrote:

jockpunk wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: Povetkin already proved himself to be clean...

No he didn't. Stop lying.

Yes he did, I don't lie.
Wada already confirmed they didn't know the details about meldonium and it can still come up every once in a while in such low margins.

But still, Americans are funny when it comes to cheating this way, if Povetkin accepted the fight in januari he was allowed to have well over 200 times as much meldonium in his body, no problem and before that it was even unlimited.

I quote this from someone else:

"70 nanograms is juiced to the gills but 750 ml thru the vein is cool?
**** outta here..."

I lolled hard, but that's exactly what happened with Mayweather and Povetkin right now.

Link regarding WADA confirming anything?

bigman1968 wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

jockpunk wrote:
No he didn't. Stop lying.

Yes he did, I don't lie.
Wada already confirmed they didn't know the details about meldonium and it can still come up every once in a while in such low margins.

But still, Americans are funny when it comes to cheating this way, if Povetkin accepted the fight in januari he was allowed to have well over 200 times as much meldonium in his body, no problem and before that it was even unlimited.

I quote this from someone else:

"70 nanograms is juiced to the gills but 750 ml thru the vein is cool?
**** outta here..."

I lolled hard, but that's exactly what happened with Mayweather and Povetkin right now.

Link regarding WADA confirming anything?

http://www.BS.com/povetkins-pr ... cs--105423

I don't expect him to lie about such things if he's planning to bring team Wilder to court in New York.

asdfjkl wrote:

bigman1968 wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: Yes he did, I don't lie.
Wada already confirmed they didn't know the details about meldonium and it can still come up every once in a while in such low margins.

But still, Americans are funny when it comes to cheating this way, if Povetkin accepted the fight in januari he was allowed to have well over 200 times as much meldonium in his body, no problem and before that it was even unlimited.

I quote this from someone else:

"70 nanograms is juiced to the gills but 750 ml thru the vein is cool?
**** outta here..."

I lolled hard, but that's exactly what happened with Mayweather and Povetkin right now.

Link regarding WADA confirming anything?

http://www.BS.com/povetkins-pr ... cs--105423

I don't expect him to lie about such things if he's planning to bring team Wilder to court in New York.

I ment anything from WADA or VADA or WBC....not Riabinski or Kalan bullshiting. Stop making an idiot from yourself. We all be informed by WBC by the end of June, fortunatelly.

bigman1968 wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

bigman1968 wrote:
Link regarding WADA confirming anything?

http://www.BS.com/povetkins-pr ... cs--105423

I don't expect him to lie about such things if he's planning to bring team Wilder to court in New York.

I ment anything from WADA or VADA or WBC....not Riabinski or Kalan bullshiting. Stop making an idiot from yourself. We all be informed by WBC by the end of June, fortunatelly.

Lol, you expect a compagny to make a fool out of themselfes openly in the media? Or Americans that openly occused Povetkin wrongly to have failed a test to doubt about what WADA says now? That's like Wilder now openly writing a letter that he had an unfair advantage because of the steel in his hands during the past few fights lol.

asdfjkl wrote:

bigman1968 wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: http://www.BS.com/povetkins-pr ... cs--105423

I don't expect him to lie about such things if he's planning to bring team Wilder to court in New York.

I ment anything from WADA or VADA or WBC....not Riabinski or Kalan bullshiting. Stop making an idiot from yourself. We all be informed by WBC by the end of June, fortunatelly.

Lol, you expect a compagny to make a fool out of themselfes openly in the media? Or Americans that openly occused Povetkin wrongly to have failed a test to doubt about what WADA says now? That's like Wilder now openly writing a letter that he had an unfair advantage because of the steel in his hands during the past few fights lol.

I expect you to back your bullshit by something beside Riabinski's bullshit.

bigman1968 wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

bigman1968 wrote:
I ment anything from WADA or VADA or WBC....not Riabinski or Kalan bullshiting. Stop making an idiot from yourself. We all be informed by WBC by the end of June, fortunatelly.

Lol, you expect a compagny to make a fool out of themselfes openly in the media? Or Americans that openly occused Povetkin wrongly to have failed a test to doubt about what WADA says now? That's like Wilder now openly writing a letter that he had an unfair advantage because of the steel in his hands during the past few fights lol.

I expect you to back your bullshit by something beside Riabinski's bullshit.

Prove him to be a lier, I can assure you, it will be a lot more easy to prove Wilder and his team to be liers, no matter how much American media they got on their side.

asdfjkl wrote:

bigman1968 wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: Lol, you expect a compagny to make a fool out of themselfes openly in the media? Or Americans that openly occused Povetkin wrongly to have failed a test to doubt about what WADA says now? That's like Wilder now openly writing a letter that he had an unfair advantage because of the steel in his hands during the past few fights lol.

I expect you to back your bullshit by something beside Riabinski's bullshit.

Prove him to be a lier, I can assure you, it will be a lot more easy to prove Wilder and his team to be liers, no matter how much American media they got on their side.

I don't give a shit what Riabinski say. His opinion is as good as my, just much more bias. I must not prove a thing...I'll read WBC decision when it will be published.

She failed her tests (over 1 microgram) and admitted to accidentally taking Meldonium after January 1st... She hadn't gotten the word on the ban.

Povetkin passed ALL his tests... ( only 70 nanograms) and stopped taking as soon as the ban was announcedso he needs an apology from his detractors.

Asdfjki, I enjoy reading your posts in a 80s Russian bad guy accent from old American action movies.

Kalan wrote:She failed her tests (over 1 microgram) and admitted to accidentally taking Meldonium after January 1st... She hadn't gotten the word on the ban.

Povetkin passed ALL his tests... ( only 70 nanograms) and stopped taking as soon as the ban was announced so he needs an apology from his detractors.

This is the truth.

But there are some who don't want the truth because they don't like Povetkin.

What's fueling this strong defense of Povetkin?

Deontay Wilder probably can't read and you want him to fight a guy who failed a drug test?
How does that make sense?
And you want him stripped for not fighting a guy who failed a drug test?

What?

Yeah, it sucks that this fight ain't happening (BECAUSE OF POVETKIN), but let Povetkin prove himself clean,
and that shouldn't difficult given the amount of scientific data presented on this forum alone.
Then, make the fight for the end of 2016.

Of course it's US boosted propaganda, but it is true ... so, it's funny how a country in the midst of a state sponsored steroid scandal
has an athlete people are swearing to god is clean. An athlete that's been on many people's suspect list for years ...

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:What's fueling this strong defense of Povetkin?

Deontay Wilder probably can't read and you want him to fight a guy who failed a drug test?
How does that make sense?
And you want him stripped for not fighting a guy who failed a drug test?

What?

Yeah, it sucks that this fight ain't happening (BECAUSE OF POVETKIN), but let Povetkin prove himself clean,
and that shouldn't difficult given the amount of scientific data presented on this forum alone.
Then, make the fight for the end of 2016.

Of course it's US boosted propaganda, but it is true ... so, it's funny how a country in the midst of a state sponsored steroid scandal
has an athlete people are swearing to god is clean. An athlete that's been on many people's suspect list for years ...

Povetkin didn't fail a drugstest, it's all pure American bullshit, Wada and Vada already admitted they don't have a clue what they are talking about when it comes to meldonium. Why do you think this is going to court? An American court in New York even? You think that happens just for fun? It isn't the first court Ryabinski wins lol.

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:It's funny how a country in the midst of a state sponsored steroid scandal
has an athlete people are swearing to god is clean. An athlete that's been on many people's suspect list for years

Bad Intentions, You're an ignorant idiot who doesn't know WTF you're talking about, so STFU... Name 1 person at the WBC, WADA, or even that dubious organization VADA, who says Povetkin "failed" ANY PED test..They're using innuendo you dolt.. They're saying he tested positive for Meldonium, while FAILING to mention Meldoniun was legal for 30 years until January this year, and that Povetkin had 1/14 the allowable concentration in ANY of his samples...which means he passed every test and was very conscientious about making sure he wasn't taking anything on the banned list...and in fact never HAS taken anything current to the banned list.

I find it very strange that Meldonium, which is an over-the-counter medication that is widely used in Eastern Europe, and has been studied, and was fine to take for 30 years, suddenly THIS year it was added to the banned list... It's NOT a steroid... It's NOT an anabolic. It doesn't help performance as much as Creatine or Muscletronic, that are Western products with no banned ingredients.. In fact Grindeks, the Latvian company that Mildronate which is composed entirely of Meldonium, told the American AP Meldonium could potentially hinder athletic performance instead of helping it, because it's a medication. It's not designed for athletic performance enhancement like many products that AREN'T on the banned list but DO enhance performance.

Here is my question: If the concentration is below the prescribed limit, why did WADA (or whomever) declare it a failed drug test? And why are they sticking to that determination thereby scuttling the fight? OK, two questions.

Sorry for asking, honestly, I don't really feel like researching it myself and I am just hoping someone can provide a quick answer.

jas80s wrote:Here is my question: If the concentration is below the prescribed limit, why did WADA (or whomever) declare it a failed drug test? And why are they sticking to that determination thereby scuttling the fight? OK, two questions.

Sorry for asking, honestly, I don't really feel like researching it myself and I am just hoping someone can provide a quick answer.

Quick answers you'll get only from two idiots in this forum. In a month or so, WBC will give the only answer that counts

asdfjkl wrote:

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:What's fueling this strong defense of Povetkin?

Deontay Wilder probably can't read and you want him to fight a guy who failed a drug test?
How does that make sense?
And you want him stripped for not fighting a guy who failed a drug test?

What?

Yeah, it sucks that this fight ain't happening (BECAUSE OF POVETKIN), but let Povetkin prove himself clean,
and that shouldn't difficult given the amount of scientific data presented on this forum alone.
Then, make the fight for the end of 2016.

Of course it's US boosted propaganda, but it is true ... so, it's funny how a country in the midst of a state sponsored steroid scandal
has an athlete people are swearing to god is clean. An athlete that's been on many people's suspect list for years ...

Povetkin didn't fail a drugstest, it's all pure American bullshit, Wada and Vada already admitted they don't have a clue what they are talking about when it comes to meldonium. Why do you think this is going to court? An American court in New York even? You think that happens just for fun? It isn't the first court Ryabinski wins lol.

Once again, any link WADA/VADA admitting something? Once again, WADA or/and VADA or/and WBC....not Riabinsky bullshit.

What court? Suing who? Where? Any link??? once again, some not bias link...not promoter's BS.