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52 fight challenge: Week 23 - Henry Cooper vs Muhammad Ali I

Posted: 10 Jun 2016, 18:55
by Horse
Henry Cooper vs Muhammad Ali I.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hwn2mqNI1I

Watch and discuss.

Re: 52 fight challenge: Week 23 - Henry Cooper vs Muhammad Ali I

Posted: 10 Jun 2016, 18:55
by Horse
Recent weeks' fights:

Week 22 - Steve Robinson vs Paul Hodkinson: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=201121
Week 21 - Pat Cowdell vs Salvador Sanchez: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=200952

Week 20 - Johnny Nelson vs Carl Thompson: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=200751
Week 19 - Charlie Magri vs Eleoncio Mercedes: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=200530
Week 18 - Barry McGuigan vs Eusebio Pedroza: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=200363
Week 17 - John Conteh vs Jorge Victor Ahumada: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=200128
Week 16 - Steve Collins vs Reggie Johnson: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=199947

Week 15 - Ken Buchanan vs Ismael Laguna II: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=199648
Week 14 - Randolph Turpin vs Sugar Ray Robinson I: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=199410
Week 13 - Alan Minter vs Kevin Finnegan II: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=199327
Week 12 - Herol Graham vs Mike McCallum: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=199118
Week 11 - Naseem Hamed vs Tom Johnson: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=198918

Week 10 - Nigel Benn vs Doug DeWitt: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=198730
Week 9 - Lennox Lewis vs Frank Bruno: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=198537
Week 8 - Walter McGowan vs Salvatore Burruni II: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=198338
Week 7 - Howard Winstone vs Vicente Saldivar I: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=198119
Week 6 - Chris Finnegan vs Bob Foster: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=197962

Week 5 - John H. Stracey vs Jose Napoles: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=197741
Week 4 - Jim Watt vs Alexis Arguello: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=197596
Week 3 - Lloyd Honeyghan vs Donald Curry: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=197431
Week 2 - Chris Eubank vs Michael Watson I: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=197276
Week 1 - Joe Calzaghe vs Robin Reid: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=197126


British & Irish boxing 52 fight history knowledge challenge thread: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=197079

Re: 52 fight challenge: Week 23 - Henry Cooper vs Muhammad Ali I

Posted: 10 Jun 2016, 18:56
by Horse
Supplementary fight.

Henry Cooper vs Muhammad Ali II.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcCwpD6XjKU

Re: 52 fight challenge: Week 23 - Henry Cooper vs Muhammad Ali I

Posted: 11 Jun 2016, 04:30
by handsofstone
Seen both these fights countless times so i think i'll leave it this week,its been a struggle trying to fit watching these fights and the supplentary fights too as im working through my own list of classics,a lot of 15 rounders as well :box:

There isnt much to say about the 1st fight that hasnt already been said regarding "Enry's Ammer" and the ripped glove myth,i read it was delayed for like 10 minutes before when really a minute seems closer to the truth,either way Clay was hurt and anything extra would have been a godsend at that point,what i didnt know until recently was that the gloves werent even actually replaced at all so who knows what to believe,i read Ali's autobiography about 10 years ago and cant remember the real conclusion

The rematch same as the 1st fight when an already tough task for Cooper was let down by his tendency to bleed like a bastard,what i will say though that in both fights Henry was boxing well for spells,i'd have expected Ali to stop him legit in the later rounds though but who knows?

Re: 52 fight challenge: Week 23 - Henry Cooper vs Muhammad Ali I

Posted: 12 Jun 2016, 00:03
by Grilling Machine
Cooper would've been knocked out through loss of vision in the end, but he was tough enough to stand up to a beating until then, so it was good refereeing in my opinion. It says in the first video that Ali's gloves weren't replaced, but since Dundee's tampering extended the interval, you'd imagine they were taped up before the fight was allowed to recommence.

Groves reminds me of Cooper a bit to look at, and Henry was only a stone or so heavier. That was some power he had for his size.

As a side note, a lot of those guys from the small-glove era didn't seem to suffer as much brain damage in later life.

Re: 52 fight challenge: Week 23 - Henry Cooper vs Muhammad Ali I

Posted: 25 Jun 2016, 21:24
by Horse
Cooper - Ali I

10 - 9
10 - 9
10 - 9
10 - 8
- - - TKO

40-35 Cooper


Cooper - Ali II

10 - 10
10 - 10
9 - 10
9 - 10
9 - 10
- - - TKO

47-50 Ali


Cooper was doing a lot better than I remembered in the first fight. I gave him everything before the stoppage.

Re: 52 fight challenge: Week 23 - Henry Cooper vs Muhammad Ali I

Posted: 02 Jul 2016, 16:21
by davie
Cooper vs Ali 1

1. 10 - 9 - Cooper. Ali looking to come out and ease into this fight with smooth boxing and Henry hammered him with that left hook, A 21 year old Ali was naive and too quick to moan about holding and spoiling, Coopers tactics had him rattled early
2. 9- 10 - Ali edged it with some really quick jabs. Cooper landed some heavy blows but made a lot of crude swings.
3. 10 - 9 Cooper. Ali did very little other than clowning. Cut looks bad for Cooper
4. 10 - 8 Cooper - It's no secret that Coopers left hand, particularly the hook was a fantastic weapon. To see it land so regularly and effectively against a young fresh version of arguably the quickest and slickest heavyweight in history really hammers that message home. Fantastic punch for the knockdown
5. Stoppage on cuts - Not sure about the 'cut glove' but there's no doubt Coopers eye was a mess, so no argument about the stoppage. What I will say is the response from Ali, from the second he left his stool in that 5th rounds was miraculous. He went back to his corner at the end of the 4th, looking like he didn't know where he was. Right from the start of the 5th, he landed sweet lefts and right hands at will on Cooper, that's some turn around and testament to the great man.

Coopers performance, up until the end of the 4th was excellent and his tactics were spot on. That left hook he had was one of the best shots in boxing!
Fast, accurate, heavy and well timed. In these 4 rounds alone, he used it to lead and to counter, as a single shot and in combination and it seemed to damage every time it landed, which was often, more often than he would have been expected to land against Ali.