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Did anyone know he fought MMA? He looks pretty good here. Check this out. Looks like he can still lace em up.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3obYvgFllxo







In all seriousness, Bowe is one of the more underrated heavyweights of the last 25 years. Going 2-1 against a prime Holyfield is testament to that. It's too bad we never got to see Bowe against Tyson or Lennox. The fact that those fights never happened deprived us from where he really should be placed in history. At least Bowe got out while he still had his brains intact tho just how intact is up for debate considering he fought MMA 20 yrs past his boxing prime. A 43-1 record is nothing to sneeze at tho.

diddy wrote:
In all seriousness, Bowe is one of the more underrated heavyweights of the last 25 years. Going 2-1 against a prime Holyfield is testament to that. It's too bad we never got to see Bowe against Tyson or Lennox. The fact that those fights never happened deprived us from where he really should be placed in history. A 43-1 record is nothing to sneeze at tho.

The trouble I have with Bowe is apart from the Holyfield fights he fought no one. He was getting battered by Golota both times before wining by DQ and title defences against Dokes and Ferguson is pretty poor. Holyfield was a great fighter but styles make fights and like Frazier and Ali they produced cracking bouts which I think made Bowe look better than he was.

diddy wrote:At least Bowe got out while he still had his brains intact tho just how intact is up for debate considering he fought MMA 20 yrs past his boxing prime.

Here's a recent interview with Bowe:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05umZBgg-2k

diddy wrote:Did anyone know he fought MMA? He looks pretty good here. Check this out. Looks like he can still lace em up.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3obYvgFllxo







In all seriousness, Bowe is one of the more underrated heavyweights of the last 25 years. Going 2-1 against a prime Holyfield is testament to that. It's too bad we never got to see Bowe against Tyson or Lennox. The fact that those fights never happened deprived us from where he really should be placed in history. At least Bowe got out while he still had his brains intact tho just how intact is up for debate considering he fought MMA 20 yrs past his boxing prime. A 43-1 record is nothing to sneeze at tho.

Are you sure about having his brains intact? Have you heard him speak?

In his prime he was great to watch, not sure he was underrated, just about right imo. I think Lewis would have beaten him so it's good that he swerved that fight.

wouter wrote:

diddy wrote:At least Bowe got out while he still had his brains intact tho just how intact is up for debate considering he fought MMA 20 yrs past his boxing prime.

Here's a recent interview with Bowe:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05umZBgg-2k

Brain confirmed intact

He's generally pretty highly regarded.

diddy wrote:Did anyone know he fought MMA? He looks pretty good here. Check this out. Looks like he can still lace em up.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3obYvgFllxo







In all seriousness, Bowe is one of the more underrated heavyweights of the last 25 years. Going 2-1 against a prime Holyfield is testament to that. It's too bad we never got to see Bowe against Tyson or Lennox. The fact that those fights never happened deprived us from where he really should be placed in history. At least Bowe got out while he still had his brains intact tho just how intact is up for debate considering he fought MMA 20 yrs past his boxing prime. A 43-1 record is nothing to sneeze at tho.

Underrated?

I think he is overrated.

Good fighter, with a big heart & great skills, although he was a bit too easy to hit for my liking.

Can't take his wins over Evander away from him, but his championship reign was embarrassing & through his lack of discipline, he was shot at 29.

Could & should have achieved so much more.

That wasn't an MMA match.

It was a Muay Thai match

Syntax Error wrote:

diddy wrote:Did anyone know he fought MMA? He looks pretty good here. Check this out. Looks like he can still lace em up.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3obYvgFllxo







In all seriousness, Bowe is one of the more underrated heavyweights of the last 25 years. Going 2-1 against a prime Holyfield is testament to that. It's too bad we never got to see Bowe against Tyson or Lennox. The fact that those fights never happened deprived us from where he really should be placed in history. At least Bowe got out while he still had his brains intact tho just how intact is up for debate considering he fought MMA 20 yrs past his boxing prime. A 43-1 record is nothing to sneeze at tho.

Underrated?

I think he is overrated.

Good fighter, with a big heart & great skills, although he was a bit too easy to hit for my liking.

Can't take his wins of Evander away from him, but his championship reign was embarrassing & through his lack of discipline, he was shot at 29.

Could & should have achieved so much more.

I think he's regarded where he should be. He was a great fighter in his brief prime, but his prime was too brief to rate him any higher.

I'd rate him somewhere near Tyson. Tyson's level of opposition wasn't really much better, though he managed to stick around at the top longer.

You could argue that Bowe's two wins over Holy eclipse Tyson's entire career. Tyson never came close to beating anyone of the calibre of Holyfield.

Yes, he's a hard one to categorise. His fights with Holy were fantastic, but there's not much apart from that. Banging out smaller or over the hill or overmatched opponents.

And his avoidance of Lewis must damage his legacy.

His prime seems to have encompassed about 6 fights. Golota hammered him and seems to have damaged him.

But his first Holy fight, he was exceptional and looked very hard to beat.

Also, as boxing fans, we have to thank Riddick that his 2nd fight with Holy got Adam Smith into boxing!

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Syntax Error wrote:

diddy wrote:Did anyone know he fought MMA? He looks pretty good here. Check this out. Looks like he can still lace em up.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3obYvgFllxo







In all seriousness, Bowe is one of the more underrated heavyweights of the last 25 years. Going 2-1 against a prime Holyfield is testament to that. It's too bad we never got to see Bowe against Tyson or Lennox. The fact that those fights never happened deprived us from where he really should be placed in history. At least Bowe got out while he still had his brains intact tho just how intact is up for debate considering he fought MMA 20 yrs past his boxing prime. A 43-1 record is nothing to sneeze at tho.

Underrated?

I think he is overrated.

Good fighter, with a big heart & great skills, although he was a bit too easy to hit for my liking.

Can't take his wins of Evander away from him, but his championship reign was embarrassing & through his lack of discipline, he was shot at 29.

Could & should have achieved so much more.

I think he's regarded where he should be. He was a great fighter in his brief prime, but his prime was too brief to rate him any higher.

I'd rate him somewhere near Tyson. Tyson's level of opposition wasn't really much better, though he managed to stick around at the top longer.

You could argue that Bowe's two wins over Holy eclipse Tyson's entire career. Tyson never came close to beating anyone of the calibre of Holyfield.

Good points to be fair.

When you factor that in, it can make rating Bowe a difficult task sometimes.

That was ugly, I watched that years ago. he took a terrible beating. I've talked to Riddick several times. Very engaging. As for rating him, he's top 25 off of the Holyfield fights alone. He'd be a nightmare on his best day for anyone.

reggaereggae wrote:Yes, he's a hard one to categorise. His fights with Holy were fantastic, but there's not much apart from that. Banging out smaller or over the hill or overmatched opponents.

And his avoidance of Lewis must damage his legacy.

His prime seems to have encompassed about 6 fights. Golota hammered him and seems to have damaged him.

But his first Holy fight, he was exceptional and looked very hard to beat.

Also, as boxing fans, we have to thank Riddick that his 2nd fight with Holy got Adam Smith into boxing!

He was apparently grossly overweight coming into both Golota fights, and had to lose a tonne of weight in camp, coming in weight drained, he certainly looked incredibly brittle, showed incredible guts to stay in both fights long enough to make Golota punk out.

Bowe's lack of discipline in between fights caught up with him quickly, but for a short while he looked to have absolutely everything. I always thought he was bit unlucky in the 2nd Holy fight, the interruption came at a point when he was really doing a number on Holyfield, and he took a while to get going when they restarted.

I thought the break benefited him, Evander was coming on strong.

diddy wrote:Did anyone know he fought MMA? He looks pretty good here. Check this out. Looks like he can still lace em up.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3obYvgFllxo







In all seriousness, Bowe is one of the more underrated heavyweights of the last 25 years. Going 2-1 against a prime Holyfield is testament to that. It's too bad we never got to see Bowe against Tyson or Lennox. The fact that those fights never happened deprived us from where he really should be placed in history. At least Bowe got out while he still had his brains intact tho just how intact is up for debate considering he fought MMA 20 yrs past his boxing prime. A 43-1 record is nothing to sneeze at tho.

Bowe was the most overrated and cowardly boxer of all time... He ducked Lewis like a chicken-livered wimp... He never landed any kind of blow on this Middleweight MMA fighter and was decked more times than you can count... He didn't even try to fight, he just wanted his check.. What a fraud.

that was a bad bad night for bowe mayorga also had a few MMA fights

He opened a restaurant in Harlem last year. I think it lasted about 6 months before closing down.

Riddick Blowe wrote:

wouter wrote:

diddy wrote:At least Bowe got out while he still had his brains intact tho just how intact is up for debate considering he fought MMA 20 yrs past his boxing prime.

Here's a recent interview with Bowe:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05umZBgg-2k

Brain confirmed intact

"He know... He nev wanna figh me.. he knew see ev bod knew ... le me tell u sum lewis nev want to figh me"

Bowe never fought Tyson.. Mercer... Ruddock... McCall... Lewis... Bruno... Smith... basically anyone who could hit.

He went for... Seldon.. Hide.. Coetzer.. Ferguson.. Donald.. Dokes.. Martin.. because Bowe wasn't real hard to hit.

Kalan wrote:

Riddick Blowe wrote:

wouter wrote:
Here's a recent interview with Bowe:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05umZBgg-2k

Brain confirmed intact

"He know... He nev wanna figh me.. he knew see ev bod knew ... le me tell u sum lewis nev want to figh me"

Bowe never fought Tyson.. Mercer... Ruddock... McCall... Lewis... Bruno... Smith... basically anyone who could hit.

He went for... Seldon.. Hide.. Coetzer.. Ferguson.. Donald.. Dokes.. Martin.. because Bowe wasn't real hard to hit.

Bowe seems quite deluded.

He seems to actually believe that Lewis ducked him.

jujigatame wrote:He opened a restaurant in Harlem last year. I think it lasted about 6 months before closing down.

Harlem? If it wasn't a chicken and waffles joint it was doomed from the word go.

The title of this thread sums up why Bowe is overrated.

He had one Muay Thai fight in which he got owned & didn't fight back & he gets called an MMA legend.

Then again, Wilt Chamberlain is the greatest HW of all-time, despite never having boxed in his life, so anything is possible!

diddy wrote:

jujigatame wrote:He opened a restaurant in Harlem last year. I think it lasted about 6 months before closing down.

Harlem? If it wasn't a chicken and waffles joint it was doomed from the word go.

It was probably more doomed owing to the fact that Bowe probably ate all the stock!

Syntax Error wrote:The title of this thread sums up why Bowe is overrated.

He had one Muay Thai fight in which he got owned & didn't fight back & he gets called an MMA legend.

Then again, Wilt Chamberlain is the greatest HW of all-time, despite never having boxed in his life, so anything is possible!

Chamberlain wasn't TRYING to be the AT Greatest Heavyweight... Wilt saw Ali was vulnerable... He saw a chance to be Heavyweight Champion. He contacted Cus D'Amato and they checked out his chances.. Which D'Amato, Patterson, Terrell etc said if Wilt could get 6 months to train he would be unbeatable versus Ali.. They didn't say Wilt was going to be the greatest Heavyweight ever.. Ali had specific weaknesses that played into Wilt's strengths.. At first Ali seemed very interested and everybody was going to get super rich because it would have been an Unbelievable Blockbuster Fight as far as hype and buzz.. They drew up a contract... started appearing on TV and doing interviews... and Ali kept saying he would sign but he never did... Chamberlain tried to embarrass Ali on national TV into signing by asking him how long it would be until he signed... It became more and more obvious Ali wouldn't sign.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF57P1uUG0s

Riddick Blowe wrote:

wouter wrote:

diddy wrote:At least Bowe got out while he still had his brains intact tho just how intact is up for debate considering he fought MMA 20 yrs past his boxing prime.

Here's a recent interview with Bowe:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=05umZBgg-2k

Brain confirmed intact

Yep no slurring at all, just perfect