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Mike Tyson-Alex Steward... Mike crushed Alex Steward in the 1st round while barely getting hit by the slow fisted heavy slugger who couldn't tag Mike and seemed intimidated out of his game by Iron MIke..

Around the same timeframe Steward gets floored twice by Foreman but persists and beats up and swells Foremans face into a FUBAR like state

Now undoubtedly Stewart tried harder and persisted with fighting Foreman as he felt he could win. It was the same with Michael Moorer another fast big puncher at that point early in his career, Steward fought back after severe early punishment as he felt he could win.....but intimidated with Tyson he seemingly didn't try as hard so Mike beat him partly cos of intimidation I suggest.

Now George Foreman had that good old boy act going heavily from 1987 onwards. ........He was all about praying for his opponent, taking it easy on them when they were hurt............yet he still seemed to be scoring brutal stoppage and knockout after knockout with little effort.He trained hard but ate hard too....like he said "call me what u like........as long as u call me for dinner"..he made a big thing about being fat (he wasn't, by todays HW standards ) ....he kept going on about being 40 and not wanting to tire himself out.......and he took to eating giant cookies at press conferences to further project himself as harmless.

This probably defused his old aura totally in a lot of opponents minds. Opponents didn't think they were gonna get hurt bad and foreman was past it.

Ok now......Lets suppose instead when george came back in 1987.....he hadn't been religious or fighting to build a youth club. Lets say instead he needed money to buy jewellery,and a mansion and to corrupt kids with drugs and to set up his new rap record label, he craved fame and the bitches it bestowed, he was hellbent on doing it and not letting any mother stand in his way. So George comes back surly, angry at those who had consigned him to history, he gets himself into a bad mothers shape with steroids that were undetectable, he has contempt for the press and media.....he goes out of his way to score devastating knockouts....he hits guys after the bell and while they are semi prone (like cooney-norton) ....he threatens people at press conferences . He wears a black demons robe into the ring with a darth vader like mask hissing black smoke. While wearing this he is inside a cage and the cage is wheeled to the ring...... a commissioner unlocks it with a key next to the ring........George emerges out of the mobile cage and into the ring . He terrifies foes and fans alike. Sinister ring entrance music plays throughout this (similar to the original score of the "day the earth stood still" reducing his opponents to a trunk soiled state

Would it have led to more knockouts where guys like stewart would stay down rather than take a frightful beating?

George would still have archie moore with him and all his skills he had mark 2, he would just be in better shape and more destructive in mind and body?

The best thing about Old George was how relaxed he was in the ring. He never had that when he was angry. As for Stewart, I'm still waiting for Tyson to land something big on him. He was terrified.

Judah Ben Fur wrote: It was the same with Michael Moorer another fast big puncher at that point early in his career, Steward fought back after severe early punishment as he felt he could win.....but intimidated with Tyson he seemingly didn't try as hard so Mike beat him partly cos of intimidation I suggest.

Actually Stewart wasn't intimidated by anybody... He went 8 rounds and 12 rounds in 2 Holyfield fights, who was still not a big Heavyweight (212) when he fought Stewart. Stewart was very confident he could pull another Buster Douglas versus Tyson. He took a 9-count on the 2nd knockdown and tried to survive. He wasn't knocked cold by Tyson or anything -- just knocked down quickly 3 times because Mike was nailing the shit out of him and was going for the KO... On the 3rd knockdown the referee was counting and Stewart looked at him like "Why are you counting? The fights over. That was the 3rd knockdown."

Michael Moorer wasn't a big puncher.. He was a Light Heavyweight for most of his career leading up to the Foreman fight... And Foreman wasn't a knockout puncher anymore... Moorer was actually the last KO Punch Foreman ever threw.. In his last 7 fights Foreman never scored a knockdown or KO anybody...Except Moorer.. Foreman thought Moorer had a bad chin because of the Holyfield fight and the Everett Martin Fight where he got knocked down.. He got hold of a lot of footage on Moorer and saw him go down form seemingly light hits.."Whoa, that boy has no chin. All I need is one real good punch on him. We have to get this fight." .... Teddy Atlas even warned Moorer in the corner. "Look this is way too easy. He's trying to lull you. He wants to set you up for one shot." ... George kept an intense focus going through the 10th round and finally got his chance. The last KO shot he ever threw came at the perfect time.

Tyson was coming back from the Douglas upset when he fought Stewart...

Mike was in a very surly mood and wanted a KO. He was swinging big.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIqp6qyemz8

You're a funny writer judah. Very descriptive and imaginitive language.

As for the thread, Saad has a point he did better because he paced himself better and relaxed. There also would have been way more people ducking and dodging him if he was the same old mean nasty george knocking people's heads off. I'd be surprised if he even got a title shot at all.

The original post is pretty funny. Saad nailed the strength of Old George though.

A different personality or attitude wouldn't have resulted in anything different.

Foreman was an old guy when he returned, about 38 and overweight. Not to mention 10 years off.

He was never quick handed in his prime but was now fairly slow and prone to throwing overhand, clubbing shots during his "second career."

It was just a matter of Father Time reducing his skills. The punches were still heavy but no longer had the snap of his youth.

Coming back as a surly, mean SOB would have done nothing to improve his physical deterioration.

And his humor got him a lot of media attention. Instead of being ignored as some tragic has been looking to reclaim his lost fortune, Foreman was instead fawned over by the press, and turned his gig into a very, very lucrative, successful comeback.

No, Foreman did things the right way in his return to the ring. It couldn't have worked out any better for him.

True Foreman played his 2nd career to perfection... He developed a lovable personality and was more commercially viable then any other boxer in History

One thing I can say is that he wouldn't have got the Lean Mean Grilling Machine contract!

Foremans second career was planned perfectly, fighting a string of no-hopers, blown up cruiserweight's and the usual fall guys to earn his title shot. A blueprint to how the HW's earn their title shots today.

Kalan wrote:

Judah Ben Fur wrote: It was the same with Michael Moorer another fast big puncher at that point early in his career, Steward fought back after severe early punishment as he felt he could win.....but intimidated with Tyson he seemingly didn't try as hard so Mike beat him partly cos of intimidation I suggest.

Actually Stewart wasn't intimidated by anybody... He went 8 rounds and 12 rounds in 2 Holyfield fights, who was still not a big Heavyweight (212) when he fought Stewart. Stewart was very confident he could pull another Buster Douglas versus Tyson. He took a 9-count on the 2nd knockdown and tried to survive. He wasn't knocked cold by Tyson or anything -- just knocked down quickly 3 times because Mike was nailing the poo out of him and was going for the KO... On the 3rd knockdown the referee was counting and Stewart looked at him like "Why are you counting? The fights over. That was the 3rd knockdown."

Michael Moorer wasn't a big puncher.. He was a Light Heavyweight for most of his career leading up to the Foreman fight... And Foreman wasn't a knockout puncher anymore... Moorer was actually the last KO Punch Foreman ever threw.. In his last 7 fights Foreman never scored a knockdown or KO anybody...Except Moorer.. Foreman thought Moorer had a bad chin because of the Holyfield fight and the Everett Martin Fight where he got knocked down.. He got hold of a lot of footage on Moorer and saw him go down form seemingly light hits.."Whoa, that boy has no chin. All I need is one real good punch on him. We have to get this fight." .... Teddy Atlas even warned Moorer in the corner. "Look this is way too easy. He's trying to lull you. He wants to set you up for one shot." ... George kept an intense focus going through the 10th round and finally got his chance. The last KO shot he ever threw came at the perfect time.

Tyson was coming back from the Douglas upset when he fought Stewart...

Mike was in a very surly mood and wanted a KO. He was swinging big.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PIqp6qyemz8

You're getting your wires crossed Kalan. Im not talking about the moorer of the foreman fight.By than he was already a bloated diminished fighter who was no longer a puncher and had become a dull placid harmless persona.

His very early HW career such as versus Stewart was incredibly exciting, he had a destructive violent streak. was lean and mean. Look at his LH career. He promised to do the same at HW in that early stretch back in 1991.

ALso Stewart was very nervous with Tyson. Check out the press conference