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great trainers..arcel, bimstein, chamberlain

Posted: 29 Jun 2016, 18:30
by misterpunch
was wilt chamberlain potentially the greatest boxing trainer of all time?

his size and strength seem to suggest he could have eclipsed ray arcel, whitey and angelo Dundee who were all much smaller and slower than the basketball king. and he boned far more women than those guys put together!

with a few weeks of written advice on the back of an envelope wilt could have achieved true greatness as a trainer

Re: great trainers..arcel, bimstein, chamberlain

Posted: 29 Jun 2016, 21:22
by Tomasino
misterpunch wrote:was wilt chamberlain potentially the greatest boxing trainer of all time?

his size and strength seem to suggest he could have eclipsed ray arcel, whitey and angelo Dundee who were all much smaller and slower than the basketball king. and he boned far more women than those guys put together!

with a few weeks of written advice on the back of an envelope wilt could have achieved true greatness as a trainer

Few people know this but Wilt Chamberlain was the first great boxing trainer to utilise 'distance learning'. He did all his boxing training away from the ring. In fact he was so good he could impart his knowledge of skills and tactics simply by playing basketball in the NBA.

Re: great trainers..arcel, bimstein, chamberlain

Posted: 29 Jun 2016, 23:28
by foxdog1923
Tomasino wrote: Few people know this but Wilt Chamberlain was the first great boxing trainer to utilise 'distance learning'. He did all his boxing training away from the ring. In fact he was so good he could impart his knowledge of skills and tactics simply by playing basketball in the NBA.
This :TU:

Wilts distance learning was also the inspiration for late former great Jedi trainer Ben 'OB1' Kenobi. While in heaven Kenobi was able to remind Luke to use the force which Luke seem to always forget.

Re: great trainers..arcel, bimstein, chamberlain

Posted: 30 Jun 2016, 17:35
by Kalan
Chamberlain was a brilliant tactical and strategic thinker, which can be applied to any sport... For instance, Wilt was the greatest rebounder in the history of Basketball because of his talent for anticipating the direction, angle, and velocity of the rebound before the shot caromed off the rim or backboard. That enabled him to beat his opponents to the ball.

Wilt suggested Heavyweight boxers use both the orthodox AND southpaw stance to confuse their opponents with many different angles of attack and differing trajectories for hooks, uppercuts, and straight shots as possible—and particularly if they’re very tall. He noted that Heavyweights faced almost NO southpaws and would be terribly confused. Wilt said he could see openings all over the body going unexploited by most boxers. He pointed out that most boxers, particularly Ali, tend to pull their guard in tight when defending a barrage of 45’s to the head - and tend to lean in a little. This opens them up for a lethal southpaw liver punch which could ice them.

One of Wilt’s favorite skills in Basketball was using clever footwork to gain position for scoring, rebounding, defending, and passing. The footwork of Boxing fascinated Wilt. He estimated that a man of his immense height, size, reach, and strength, could destroy an orthodox boxer's attacker by employing a southpaw stance and pivoting tightly to his right – and by meeting the assault with brutal right hooks and straight lefts ... and left uppercuts and hooks from all angles as the attacker came forward. The heavyweights of the day couldn’t handle the weird southpaw punches. He was anxious to try some of his techniques in sparring, if indeed, he could get Ali to sign a contract for a fight.

People forget that Wilt actually worked as a head coach in Basketball. So he did have the coaching mentality. He loved talking technique and strategies, and had a lot of respect for the coaching profession.

Unfortunately in Boxing there are coaches whose best advice is, “You gotta move your hands ... and throw punches”

Their boxer.., “Just let me make sure I understand this.... I should throw punches???”

Re: great trainers..arcel, bimstein, chamberlain

Posted: 30 Jun 2016, 17:42
by keithmoonhangover
Kalan wrote:Chamberlain was a brilliant tactical and strategic thinker, which can be applied to any sport... For instance, Wilt was the greatest rebounder in the history of Basketball because of his talent for anticipating the direction, angle, and velocity of the rebound before the shot caromed off the rim or backboard. That enabled him to beat his opponents to the ball.

Wilt suggested Heavyweight boxers use both the orthodox AND southpaw stance to confuse their opponents with many different angles of attack and differing trajectories for hooks, uppercuts, and straight shots as possible—and particularly if they’re very tall. He noted that Heavyweights faced almost NO southpaws and would be terribly confused. Wilt said he could see openings all over the body going unexploited by most boxers. He pointed out that most boxers, particularly Ali, tend to pull their guard in tight when defending a barrage of 45’s to the head - and tend to lean in a little. This opens them up for a lethal southpaw liver punch which could ice them.

One of Wilt’s favorite skills in Basketball was using clever footwork to gain position for scoring, rebounding, defending, and passing. The footwork of Boxing fascinated Wilt. He estimated that a man of his immense height, size, reach, and strength, could destroy an orthodox boxer's attacker by employing a southpaw stance and pivoting tightly to his right – and by meeting the assault with brutal right hooks and straight lefts ... and left uppercuts and hooks from all angles as the attacker came forward. The heavyweights of the day couldn’t handle the weird southpaw punches. He was anxious to try some of his techniques in sparring, if indeed, he could get Ali to sign a contract for a fight.

People forget that Wilt actually worked as a head coach in Basketball. So he did have the coaching mentality. He loved talking technique and strategies, and had a lot of respect for the coaching profession.

Unfortunately in Boxing there are coaches whose best advice is, “You gotta move your hands ... and throw punches”

Their boxer.., “Just let me make sure I understand this.... I should throw punches???”
Kalan. Could I please trouble you for an answer to my previous question. Which current trainers have you met? Could you please provide me with their actual names?

Re: great trainers..arcel, bimstein, chamberlain

Posted: 30 Jun 2016, 21:29
by Kalan
I've met a few who were World Champions... If I started giving specifics I would just as soon put my name out there...

Re: great trainers..arcel, bimstein, chamberlain

Posted: 30 Jun 2016, 22:01
by foxdog1923
Kalan wrote:I've met a few who were World Champions... If I started giving specifics I would just as soon put my name out there...
Your name is liar :lol: youve said you met Wilt played Volley with him at some beach, you discussed Wilts boxing with Cus as you said before. That was 45 years ago.

For Cus to talk to you wouldve had to been around 20 years of age so based on your claims and a "generous" estimation of your age you would be 65 years old yet youre quite computer savy for a man your age and you post with a modern type grammar.

You actually sound like a teenager to around 28 years of age BUT you claim to know Wilt and Cus. Lies.

Re: great trainers..arcel, bimstein, chamberlain

Posted: 01 Jul 2016, 00:21
by Kalan
foxdog you're an utterly ignorant, broad brush type of individual with prejudices and stereotypes coming out of every orifice. You really are a creep

Re: great trainers..arcel, bimstein, chamberlain

Posted: 01 Jul 2016, 04:09
by keithmoonhangover
Kalan wrote:I've met a few who were World Champions... If I started giving specifics I would just as soon put my name out there...
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: great trainers..arcel, bimstein, chamberlain

Posted: 01 Jul 2016, 04:12
by foxdog1923
Kalan wrote:foxdog you're an utterly ignorant, broad brush type of individual with prejudices and stereotypes coming out of every orifice. You really are a creep
Spoken like a true 65 year old :lol: