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Obviously this was a bit of an odd ball fight. I'm doing a bit of research, so I have a few questions for you all.

Do you think Rademachen was a genuine threat going in?

How do you feel about Patterson fighting this guy?

Should it have been sanctioned?

Do you think less of Patterson for taking the fight?

Should the same thing be allowed to happen now?

Yes a strange one. Rademacher wasn't given any chance, I think even the bookies refused bets on it. I couldn't see it happening in the HW division but Lomachenko fought for the WBO title in his second fight and almost won it. Patterson took the fight for money only.

Radamacher was a HORRIBLE Heavyweight despite being Olympic Champion.. He managed to knock Patterson down by catching him with a Hell of a right hand... That almost knocked Patterson out... But all the other good Heavyweights Rademacher fought beat the living life out of him... He did manage to beat George Chuvalo... a super slow Heavyweight who ate punches.

keithmoonhangover wrote:Obviously this was a bit of an odd ball fight. I'm doing a bit of research, so I have a few questions for you all.

Do you think Rademachen was a genuine threat going in?

How do you feel about Patterson fighting this guy?

Should it have been sanctioned?

Do you think less of Patterson for taking the fight?

Should the same thing be allowed to happen now?

I don't think any less of Patterson for taking the fight with Rademacher, but many did.

The way I heard the story, Rademacher, after winning the amateur heavyweight title, basically challenged Patterson, and Floyd's manager, Cus D'Amato, took Rademacher up on it. Also, D'Amato had a private war against the alleged corrupt IBC that controlled most of the heavyweight contenders, which did not leave Floyd many opponents left to fight.

It would have been better for Floyd to take fights with Eddie Machen and Zora Folly, who were number 1 and 2 contenders at that time, IMO.

No, it should not have been sanctioned. A fighter who had been fighting for years was more deserving.

Rademacher wanted the fight because he wanted the money. He knew that he never going to be a top heavyweight. Patterson's manager didn't want him fighting any IBC fighters which eliminated contenders like Folley, Machen, Liston.
Being a gold medalist gave him so name recognition which they thought would help promote the fight.

Rademacher's next fight was against Zora Folley.

Boxing is a business... not a sport... boxing commissions okay the most ridiculous mismatches in the world... guys making their pro debut with no amateur background, fight guys with 60 fights who've been fighting professionally for 15 years... The commissions exist to do the will of the big name boxers, big name promoters, big name managers, and the well connected -- not to protect the life and health of some 2-bit tomato can.

Patterson-Rademacher wasn't as big a mismatch as 70% of mismatches... Rademacher came out boxing well... took the 1st round by a mile... knocked Patterson down with a hard right hand later in the fight... had Patterson going... but lacked a chin, resistance, speed, and strength to win.

Kalan wrote:guys making their pro debut with no amateur background, fight guys with 60 fights who've been fighting professionally for 15 years... .

Which fight are you referring to?

I remember on occasion somebody being introduced as "making his pro debut" and fighting a guy with scores of fights.

One I just checked is Tommy Brown fighting Juan Zurita, 46-10 in his pro debut... Brown was matched appropriately in his 2nd fight... Then in his 3rd and last fight he was fed to Henry Armstrong and knocked out again... Apparently he'd had enough of Boxing at that point.

A lot of times though those guys really had many more fights they were just in obscure places and so have not been included yet in their Boxrec records.

A lot of times those records are dead accurate... If you go back to the 1900's, 1910's, even the 1920's, you do find more inaccuracies.

But more recently Sean O'Grady fought Gilberto Lara---who was making his pro debut for certain---in his 51st professional fight in 1977.

Future world champion Rafael Marquez fought former world champion Victor Rabanales 39-14 on his pro debut and was stopped in 8! Rabanales had given an up and coming Wayne McCullough hell the previous year. Rabanales was a tough dude and Marquez's manager must have been mad.

That's Boxing... A cherry-picker's game -- especially the way it's being run right now.. Guys would rather have an opponent to pound on than a tough matchup

Kalan wrote:That's Boxing... A cherry-picker's game -- especially the way it's being run right now.. Guys would rather have an opponent to pound on than a tough matchup

You wouldn't be generalizing would you?

There are exceptions.. like Thurman, Porter, and Eubank, who will go in tough.

Kalan wrote:I remember on occasion somebody being introduced as "making his pro debut" and fighting a guy with scores of fights.

One I just checked is Tommy Brown fighting Juan Zurita, 46-10 in his pro debut... Brown was matched appropriately in his 2nd fight... Then in his 3rd and last fight he was fed to Henry Armstrong and knocked out again... Apparently he'd had enough of Boxing at that point.

You remember that, do you?

Some might think you made a wild claim and when asked to back it up you made a desperate search of the records and could only come up with this obscure fight 80 years ago.

But I'll believe you; you remember that Tommy Brown was introduced as "making his pro debut" that day.