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Oscar fought Sweet Pea a very RISKY fight that he could have avoided but he didn't!

Then he did it AGAIN stepping up to the plate to fight Bazooka Quartey who had the best jab in boxing since Ali & Prime Larry Holmes.

Lol crazy Oscar did it another time! He signed to fight that killer Tito Trinidad @ 147lbs who was a complete TERROR at the time.

Then he showed his character AGAIN DAMN signing to fight UNDEFEATED PRIMED SUGAR SHANE MOSELY Damn Oscar!

Then he tested waters AGAIN moving up in weight to face Bernard EXECUTIONER Hopkins the PRIME VERSION.

Oscar's resume surpasses Floyd's but why is Floyd ranked higher? Floyd never attempted to face Tszu, Casamayor, Prime Cotto, Prime Manny,

Margarito, or Paul Williams. He never took any risk like De La Hoya.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omiB9ARLUNw

Floyd was just more skilled.

And of course, beating Oscar in the ring (you do remember that Fight to Save Boxing, don't you?) may help somewhat in the analysis.

And what is this "total corruption" you allude to.

Just because some rank one guy or another higher than the other in subjective ratings doesn't indicate any sort of bogus corruption.

It's just an opinion. The sport of boxing will survive no matter who may be deemed the superior fighter.

Had De La Hoya gone undefeated, or even won half of those big fights, he could justifiably be ranked ahead of Mayweather in an all-time p4p sense, even if he'd still lost to Floyd narrowly as he did. Their fight didn't mean a lot in terms of their all-time standing, because it was so close and while it was at Oscar's preferred weight, Floyd was in his prime while Oscar had already been in a lot of tough fights, had more miles on the clock and was slightly past his best.

While he didn't deserve the nod against Whittaker, he was arguably robbed against Trinidad (though it was mostly his own fault) and again against Mosley in their rematch. He certainly faced better opposition than Floyd, but considering he lost most of his big fights, I think he has to rate lower.

Oscar De La Hoya is the corrupt guy... He was given a gift decision over Felix Sturm... Mysteriously, 2 of those same obscure judges showed up for his next fight with Hopkins - along with Keith MacDonald who was giving the fight to Oscar even though Hopkins was winning every round.

Since Mayweather won all his fights including beating DLH - while Oscar lost 6 fights... Mayweather is a solid ATG and Oscar is a questionable one.

I don't like the fact that Mayweather ducked undefeated Kell Brook and Keith Thurman in World Welterweight Title Unification Fights... to fight a clown like Andre el Berto who lost 3 of his previous 6 fights... but Floyd was looking to secure his "O" for all time.

bnovelist wrote:Oscar fought Sweet Pea a very RISKY fight that he could have avoided but he didn't!

Then he did it AGAIN stepping up to the plate to fight Bazooka Quartey who had the best jab in boxing since Ali & Prime Larry Holmes.

Lol crazy Oscar did it another time! He signed to fight that killer Tito Trinidad @ 147lbs who was a complete TERROR at the time.

Then he showed his character AGAIN DAMN signing to fight UNDEFEATED PRIMED SUGAR SHANE MOSELY Damn Oscar!

Then he tested waters AGAIN moving up in weight to face Bernard EXECUTIONER Hopkins the PRIME VERSION.

Oscar's resume surpasses Floyd's but why is Floyd ranked higher? Floyd never attempted to face Tszu, Casamayor, Prime Cotto, Prime Manny,

Margarito, or Paul Williams. He never took any risk like De La Hoya.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omiB9ARLUNw

Ive really taken to u as a poster bnovelist. You tell it like it is in a sea of arseholeaturdia

Mayweather is ranked higher than De La Hoya because he's the better fighter with a better list of wins. Oscar lost almost all of his biggest fights.

gilgamesh wrote:Mayweather is ranked higher than De La Hoya because he's the better fighter with a better list of wins. Oscar lost almost all of his biggest fights.

He lost a lot of big fights and Sturm and Quartey could be two more losses. Fighting the best is a great measuring stick but you have to beat those guys its just good enough to be in with great fighters.

gilgamesh wrote:Mayweather is ranked higher than De La Hoya because he's the better fighter with a better list of wins. Oscar lost almost all of his biggest fights.

to be fair to oscar he only lost once he went up 4 weights by then he'd lost his advantage in height .

world ranked wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:Mayweather is ranked higher than De La Hoya because he's the better fighter with a better list of wins. Oscar lost almost all of his biggest fights.

He lost a lot of big fights and Sturm and Quartey could be two more losses. Fighting the best is a great measuring stick but you have to beat those guys its just good enough to be in with great fighters.

Whitaker too is a big win DLH is credited with where you could easily have seen him losing. I personally thought he deserved the decision against Quarter, but I felt Whitaker and Sturm beat him.

stevedoc wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:Mayweather is ranked higher than De La Hoya because he's the better fighter with a better list of wins. Oscar lost almost all of his biggest fights.

to be fair to oscar he only lost once he went up 4 weights by then he'd lost his advantage in height .

He had the height and weight advantage over Floyd and couldn't get it done. De La Hoya is certainly a great fighter in his own right, but I don't think there's much of an argument you can make for him being better than Floyd. He just doesn't have the resume to back up such a claim. For every great win you can name on Oscar's resume. You can name 3 or more on Floyd's.

gilgamesh wrote:

world ranked wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:Mayweather is ranked higher than De La Hoya because he's the better fighter with a better list of wins. Oscar lost almost all of his biggest fights.

He lost a lot of big fights and Sturm and Quartey could be two more losses. Fighting the best is a great measuring stick but you have to beat those guys its just good enough to be in with great fighters.

Whitaker too is a big win DLH is credited with where you could easily have seen him losing. I personally thought he deserved the decision against Quarter, but I felt Whitaker and Sturm beat him.

He was also arguably robbed against Trinidad and definitely robbed in the second Mosley fight. You could argue that wins over a prime Trinidad and Mosley are actually better than any wins on Floyd's record.

jezzamundo wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

world ranked wrote:
He lost a lot of big fights and Sturm and Quartey could be two more losses. Fighting the best is a great measuring stick but you have to beat those guys its just good enough to be in with great fighters.

Whitaker too is a big win DLH is credited with where you could easily have seen him losing. I personally thought he deserved the decision against Quarter, but I felt Whitaker and Sturm beat him.

He was also arguably robbed against Trinidad and definitely robbed in the second Mosley fight. You could argue that wins over a prime Trinidad and Mosley are actually better than any wins on Floyd's record.

I thought Mosley won both fights with De La Hoya. The 2nd one is very close.

gilgamesh wrote:

jezzamundo wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
Whitaker too is a big win DLH is credited with where you could easily have seen him losing. I personally thought he deserved the decision against Quarter, but I felt Whitaker and Sturm beat him.

He was also arguably robbed against Trinidad and definitely robbed in the second Mosley fight. You could argue that wins over a prime Trinidad and Mosley are actually better than any wins on Floyd's record.

I thought Mosley won both fights with De La Hoya. The 2nd one is very close.

Fair enough - I shouldn't have said definitely, but to me it was a poor decision and DLH won it close but clear. Strange that one judge had Oscar winning their first fight, when I thought Mosley did much better in that fight than the second. Compubox isn't everything, but it had DLH outlanding Mosley by a margin of 221 to 127 in their second fight, though Mosley did land the harder punches.

Yeah Mosley won the 1st fight clearly. I had that one 116-112. I think I had the 2nd fight 115-114 Mosley...I scored an even round in there at one point.

From memory, I scored their first fight 115-113 to Mosley and the rematch 116-112 to Oscar, though it's been a while since I've watched either fight so I should probably give them another look.

bnovelist wrote:Oscar fought Sweet Pea a very RISKY fight that he could have avoided but he didn't!

Then he did it AGAIN stepping up to the plate to fight Bazooka Quartey who had the best jab in boxing since Ali & Prime Larry Holmes.

Lol crazy Oscar did it another time! He signed to fight that killer Tito Trinidad @ 147lbs who was a complete TERROR at the time.

Then he showed his character AGAIN DAMN signing to fight UNDEFEATED PRIMED SUGAR SHANE MOSELY Damn Oscar!

Then he tested waters AGAIN moving up in weight to face Bernard EXECUTIONER Hopkins the PRIME VERSION.

Oscar's resume surpasses Floyd's but why is Floyd ranked higher? Floyd never attempted to face Tszu, Casamayor, Prime Cotto, Prime Manny,

Margarito, or Paul Williams. He never took any risk like De La Hoya.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omiB9ARLUNw

The difference between Oscar and Floyd is simple. Oscar lost to the best fighters he fought . Floyd beat the best fighters he fought. Oscar as a bit past his prime when he fought Floyd. Floyd was a bit past his prime when he fought Canelo. See the difference :)

jezzamundo wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

world ranked wrote:
He lost a lot of big fights and Sturm and Quartey could be two more losses. Fighting the best is a great measuring stick but you have to beat those guys its just good enough to be in with great fighters.

Whitaker too is a big win DLH is credited with where you could easily have seen him losing. I personally thought he deserved the decision against Quarter, but I felt Whitaker and Sturm beat him.

He was also arguably robbed against Trinidad and definitely robbed in the second Mosley fight. You could argue that wins over a prime Trinidad and Mosley are actually better than any wins on Floyd's record.

I agree but there some losses or should be losses that Mayweather doesn't have. The Sturm fight and the head to head tips it for me. You cant have a bad loss and a head to head loss.

gilgamesh wrote:Mayweather is ranked higher than De La Hoya because he's the better fighter with a better list of wins. Oscar lost almost all of his biggest fights.

True that

PBF is a better boxer than ODH, his record is better and he beat him - where's that corruption you speak of ?

Oscar ranks nowhere near Floyd. Hopkins is the only debatable fighter from his era.

I don't know anybody who would rank oscars career above floyds.