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with brooks departure for middleweight, pacs retiring, the division is left with midgets (timm), untested at ww boxers (danny), untrained bums (broner) and guys with 0,0 chin (khan). only bright lights spence, thurman...

with LH you got

kovalev
ward
bertebiev
stevenson
egor
joe
fonfara
pascal

and those 2 ukranien guys who look sensational coming up in ranks. from high iq boxers, to elite punchers, u got everything. never ever has LH looked so damn good.

Chepppaaa wrote:with brooks departure for middleweight, pacs retiring, the division is left with midgets (timm), untested at ww boxers (danny), untrained bums (broner) and guys with 0,0 chin (khan). only bright lights spence, thurman...

with LH you got

kovalev
ward
bertebiev
stevenson
egor
joe
fonfara
pascal

and those 2 ukranien guys who look sensational coming up in ranks. from high iq boxers, to elite punchers, u got everything. never ever has LH looked so damn good.

I'm not going to tell you again....

davie wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:with brooks departure for middleweight, pacs retiring, the division is left with midgets (timm), untested at ww boxers (danny), untrained bums (broner) and guys with 0,0 chin (khan). only bright lights spence, thurman...

with LH you got

kovalev
ward
bertebiev
stevenson
egor
joe
fonfara
pascal

and those 2 ukranien guys who look sensational coming up in ranks. from high iq boxers, to elite punchers, u got everything. never ever has LH looked so damn good.

I'm not going to tell you again....

That's pretty blasphemous

Great division and fighters. Kovalev & Betterbiev are cream of crop

davie wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:with brooks departure for middleweight, pacs retiring, the division is left with midgets (timm), untested at ww boxers (danny), untrained bums (broner) and guys with 0,0 chin (khan). only bright lights spence, thurman...

with LH you got

kovalev
ward
bertebiev
stevenson
egor
joe
fonfara
pascal

and those 2 ukranien guys who look sensational coming up in ranks. from high iq boxers, to elite punchers, u got everything. never ever has LH looked so damn good.

I'm not going to tell you again....

yeah you gonne tell me how unathletic slow old schoolers would beat rollling trains prime kovalev and prime bertebiev sure, whatever you say

Chepppaaa wrote:

davie wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:with brooks departure for middleweight, pacs retiring, the division is left with midgets (timm), untested at ww boxers (danny), untrained bums (broner) and guys with 0,0 chin (khan). only bright lights spence, thurman...

with LH you got

kovalev
ward
bertebiev
stevenson
egor
joe
fonfara
pascal

and those 2 ukranien guys who look sensational coming up in ranks. from high iq boxers, to elite punchers, u got everything. never ever has LH looked so damn good.

I'm not going to tell you again....

yeah you gonne tell me how unathletic slow old schoolers would beat rollling trains prime kovalev and prime bertebiev sure, whatever you say

Nope.

That would be a "who would beat who?" type conversation.
We can both hold those opinions and without a time machine to prove it, we could argue it from now until the day we die and we'd be none the wiser.
I could tell you, that the old timers had more experience, learnt in the ring, more craft, more guile, better instinctive boxing technique, more natural movement and reflexes built on years of avoiding punches, toughness gained through living hard and fighting hard.
You could talk of the superior strength, power and athleticism. the superior diet and conditioning of today's athletes, how Kovalev would punch holes in Ezzard Charles.
Hell maybe you'd be right, I don't agree, but maybe I don't have a fornicating clue what I'm talking about.

No, that's not what I'm talking about, what I am on about, is the depth of talent in the division in the late 40's/early 50's.
The ability they had, given the circumstance, all things being equal, the late 40's heavyweight scene was arguably as packed as any division in any time in history.
The number of ATG fighters, going by who they fought, who they beat, what they achieved.
The guys at the very top of your list don't come close to that achievements of Charles, Moore, Bivins, Johnson, Maxim, Marshall etc and in 30 years time they won't come anywhere close to being rated in the same lists as these guys. Not unless they fight a lot more top level fights.

As for the likes of Fonfara and Pascal, they should be mentioned in the same breath.

That's how I rank how packed a division is, how 'great' the fighters are.
Beterbiev? Mekhontsev? They might have devastating power or excellent skills, they could very well be all time greats in the making, who knows?
But they haven't come close to proving it in the ring. Talent and physical attributes do not automatically equal greatness.

You see, whether todays crop would beat the heroes of yesteryear is up for debate.

But what is not, is that if the unathletic slow old schoolers, had the advantages of today, the clean living, the nutritionist (and PED peddlers), the strength and conditioning coaches etc, they would box circles round the current top 10.
Equally, if the likes of Kovalev or Stevenson had to sleep on gym floors, eat what you could get your hands on, fight at a moments notice just to make the money to survive, hitch from town to town to find fights, then the playing field would be even and it would be very interesting to see how they would fare

Chepppaaa wrote:with brooks departure for middleweight, pacs retiring, the division is left with midgets (timm), untested at ww boxers (danny), untrained bums (broner) and guys with 0,0 chin (khan). only bright lights spence, thurman...

with LH you got

kovalev
ward
bertebiev
stevenson
egor
joe
fonfara
pascal

and those 2 ukranien guys who look sensational coming up in ranks. from high iq boxers, to elite punchers, u got everything. never ever has LH looked so damn good.

I agree that this is an interesting division but along with LHW I thought the same of Middleweight and Heavyweight this year. I have enjoyed some fights but nothing has been competitive (at championship level) IMO. I had hopes that 2016 was the year boxing was going to have a resurgence. I thought it was the perfect time, UFC seemed to be in tatters with their over hyped champions losing bouts. I don't actually know the viewer numbers, I'm just assuming UFC is more popular at the moment, correct me if I'm wrong.

If I was to bet money on someone bringing in the masses, even though I'm a big Kovalev and GGG fan, I would say it'd be the heavyweight divisions Anthony Joshua. He seems to want the big fights and I hope his management don't keep him protected because even with a loss, a fight with him is a must watch......if he's fighting the best of them.

So lets all get together, lets rally behind Anthony Joshua, lets boycott Canelo, lets bring boxing back because UFC is just shit. Lets get boxing so big that its on free to air tv so I don't have to download it illegally. Thats all i ever wanted.

again, a good example why lh is the best div in boxing right now. chilembo showed a good fight, deep division.

davie wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:

davie wrote:

I'm not going to tell you again....

yeah you gonne tell me how unathletic slow old schoolers would beat rollling trains prime kovalev and prime bertebiev sure, whatever you say

Nope.

That would be a "who would beat who?" type conversation.
We can both hold those opinions and without a time machine to prove it, we could argue it from now until the day we die and we'd be none the wiser.
I could tell you, that the old timers had more experience, learnt in the ring, more craft, more guile, better instinctive boxing technique, more natural movement and reflexes built on years of avoiding punches, toughness gained through living hard and fighting hard.
You could talk of the superior strength, power and athleticism. the superior diet and conditioning of today's athletes, how Kovalev would punch holes in Ezzard Charles.
Hell maybe you'd be right, I don't agree, but maybe I don't have a effing clue what I'm talking about.

No, that's not what I'm talking about, what I am on about, is the depth of talent in the division in the late 40's/early 50's.
The ability they had, given the circumstance, all things being equal, the late 40's heavyweight scene was arguably as packed as any division in any time in history.
The number of ATG fighters, going by who they fought, who they beat, what they achieved.
The guys at the very top of your list don't come close to that achievements of Charles, Moore, Bivins, Johnson, Maxim, Marshall etc and in 30 years time they won't come anywhere close to being rated in the same lists as these guys. Not unless they fight a lot more top level fights.

As for the likes of Fonfara and Pascal, they should be mentioned in the same breath.

That's how I rank how packed a division is, how 'great' the fighters are.
Beterbiev? Mekhontsev? They might have devastating power or excellent skills, they could very well be all time greats in the making, who knows?
But they haven't come close to proving it in the ring. Talent and physical attributes do not automatically equal greatness.

You see, whether todays crop would beat the heroes of yesteryear is up for debate.

But what is not, is that if the unathletic slow old schoolers, had the advantages of today, the clean living, the nutritionist (and PED peddlers), the strength and conditioning coaches etc, they would box circles round the current top 10.
Equally, if the likes of Kovalev or Stevenson had to sleep on gym floors, eat what you could get your hands on, fight at a moments notice just to make the money to survive, hitch from town to town to find fights, then the playing field would be even and it would be very interesting to see how they would fare

It's a statistical reality that a greater talent pool, creates recording breaking athletes. The other fact that there were way more boxers in the 1950's
1960's and 1970's than now. Fighter had way more fights, and developed their skill set in real fights.

Chepppaaa wrote:again, a good example why lh is the best div in boxing right now. chilembo showed a good fight, deep division.

Or you could argue that Isaac Chilemba is a pretty weak fighter, who lost to the very limited Tony Bellew and wouldn't have lived with the ATGs of yesteryear.
Perhaps, all that highlights, is that the top man in the division perhaps isn't the all powerful destroyer of worlds that he's made out to be???

Me personally, I think Kovalev may one day be considered one of the best LHW ever, but highly likely he won't be considered the best.

As for the depth of the division, I won't dispute it's a good and exciting division, but to compare it, right now, with the glory days when it was at it's very best, is huge stretch.

Let's see how good the likes of Beterbiev, Alvarez, Smith jr, Gvozdyk, Shabranskyy, Mekhontsev and all these other up and coming unbeaten LHW turn out to be.
I'm not saying the division isn't filled with quality, but lets see where we are once all these guys reach their potential, fight at the top level and face each other.
Maybe we will look back on this era, with the current top talents like Kovalev, Stevenson and Ward, along with these prospects and say, perhaps 2012 - 2020 was a truly great era for the LHW division.
But there's a lot of work to be done to prove that and that will include promoters putting these guys together for a start.

davie wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:again, a good example why lh is the best div in boxing right now. chilembo showed a good fight, deep division.

Or you could argue that Isaac Chilemba is a pretty weak fighter, who lost to the very limited Tony Bellew and wouldn't have lived with the ATGs of yesteryear.
Perhaps, all that highlights, is that the top man in the division perhaps isn't the all powerful destroyer of worlds that he's made out to be???

Me personally, I think Kovalev may one day be considered one of the best LHW ever, but highly likely he won't be considered the best.

As for the depth of the division, I won't dispute it's a good and exciting division, but to compare it, right now, with the glory days when it was at it's very best, is huge stretch.

Let's see how good the likes of Beterbiev, Alvarez, Smith jr, Gvozdyk, Shabranskyy, Mekhontsev and all these other up and coming unbeaten LHW turn out to be.
I'm not saying the division isn't filled with quality, but lets see where we are once all these guys reach their potential, fight at the top level and face each other.
Maybe we will look back on this era, with the current top talents like Kovalev, Stevenson and Ward, along with these prospects and say, perhaps 2012 - 2020 was a truly great era for the LHW division.
But there's a lot of work to be done to prove that and that will include promoters putting these guys together for a start.

chlemba got robbed against bellew. chilembo beats atg of back than.

Chepppaaa wrote:

chlemba got robbed against bellew. chilembo beats atg of back than.

You know, sometimes you wonder if someone is a troll or if they're just a bit simple

but you absolutely have to be at it.

Christ, you even managed to spell his name wrong twice in one bloody sentence.

davie wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:

chlemba got robbed against bellew. chilembo beats atg of back than.

You know, sometimes you wonder if someone is a troll or if they're just a bit simple

but you absolutely have to be at it.

Christ, you even managed to spell his name wrong twice in one bloody sentence.

and in scotland it is raining

Chepppaaa wrote:

davie wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:

chlemba got robbed against bellew. chilembo beats atg of back than.

You know, sometimes you wonder if someone is a troll or if they're just a bit simple

but you absolutely have to be at it.

Christ, you even managed to spell his name wrong twice in one bloody sentence.

and in scotland it is raining

I'll take that as a confession!

davie wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:

davie wrote:
You know, sometimes you wonder if someone is a troll or if they're just a bit simple

but you absolutely have to be at it.

Christ, you even managed to spell his name wrong twice in one bloody sentence.

and in scotland it is raining

I'll take that as a confession!

dude, you just come around as a smart arse. i dont like you. so, if oyu think old school boxers are better than those of today, than so be it, just leave me alone with your constant crap.

Chepppaaa wrote:

davie wrote:

Chepppaaa wrote:

and in scotland it is raining

I'll take that as a confession!

dude, you just come around as a smart arse. i dont like you. so, if oyu think old school boxers are better than those of today, than so be it, just leave me alone with your constant crap.