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Because we don't have any monumental figures anymore like Joe Louis, Ali, Prime Foreman, or Prime Tyson fighters of this caliber that makes

the rest of the division train their asses off reaching for greatness! Either that or get swallowed whole by an anaconda. I'm talking GREATNESS

talent that puts fear into all of the other heavyweights today. We have good fighters but no GREAT GREAT heavyweight. A fighter with super

talent that keeps the rest of the division off their toes. Wilder, Joshua, Haye, Fury, these guys are good but nothing GREAT! Even a young
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-6IoQ_ztqw
Ike Ibeabuchi would strike FEAR.

It is in far better shape than it was a couple of years ago.

[quote="bnovelist"]Because we don't have any monumental figures anymore like Joe Louis, Ali, Prime Foreman, or Prime Tyson fighters of this caliber that makes

the rest of the division train their asses off reaching for greatness! Either that or get swallowed whole by an anaconda. I'm talking GREATNESS

talent that puts fear into all of the other heavyweights today. We have good fighters but no GREAT GREAT heavyweight. A fighter with super

talent that keeps the rest of the division off their toes. Wilder, Joshua, Haye, Fury, these guys are good but nothing GREAT! Even a young
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2-6IoQ_ztqw
Ike Ibeabuchi would strike FEAR.[/quote

MODS: You should be embarrassed to let a troll like Bnov continue. I am guessing he/she is about 12 yrs old.

I agree we don't have a monumental figure, although I think Fury is better than Ibeabuchi and Joshua and Ortiz probably are too.

They're all better than Ibeabuchi... I was a big Ibeabuchi fan and predicted he'd murder Chris Byrd within 5 rounds... Ibeabuchi would have made short work of Jimmy Young and Muhammad Ali too...because Ike wasn't a clumsy oaf like David Tua or George Foreman... Ike had blazing fast hands and good feet

But today you have Anthony Joshua... There is nothing Ibeabuchi could do that Joshua can't do... There are a few thing AJ can do that Ike never could dream of doing... One is crack a long range jab straight in your face with the precision of Larry Holmes... One is nail you with a right hand counter shot with the expertise of a prime Max Schmeling... One is defend the incoming like Gene Tunney... Below are a few more reasons why the Heavyweight division today is the greatest division in Boxing History right now.

THE TOP 31 HEAVYWEIGHTS TODAY...

1. Tyson Fury... 2. Anthony Joshua... 3. Luis Ortiz... 4. Deontay Wilder... 5. Wladimir Klitschko... 6. Alexander Povetkin... 7. David Haye... 8. Andy Ruiz... 9. Joseph Parker... 10. Charles Martin... 11. Bryant Jennings... 12. Erkan Teper... 13. Hughie Fury... 14. Kubrat Pulev... 15. Johann Duhaupas... 16. Ruslan Chagaev... 17. Bermane Stiverne... 18. Lucas Browne... 19. Malik Scott... 20. Carlos Takam... 21. Mike Perez... 22. Alexander Ustinov... 23. Dereck Chisora... 24. Christian Hammer... 25. Robert Helenius... 26. Steve Cunningham... 27. Artur Szpilka... 28. Otto Wallin... 29. Czar Glazkov... 30. Dominic Breazeale... 31. Amir Mansour

And below are some of the TERRIBLE Heavyweight Title Challengers from the 1950’s, 60’s and 70’s... They would never fly to get Heavyweight Title shots at Anthony Joshua. They were so bad they wouldn't make 4-round fighters today.

Don Cockell... Roland LaStarza... Tommy Jackson... Tom McNeely... Pete Rademacher... Roy Harris... Brian London... Henry Cooper... Karl Mildenbugger... Alfredo Evangelista... Chuck Wepner... Jean Pierre Coopman... Leon Stinks... Terry Daniels... Dave Zyglewitz... Manuel Ramos... Ron Stander... Richard Dunn...

I can’t even believe some of those fart-bags got title shots…

An interesting thing about the above video... Ike Ibeabuchi not only knocked Chris Byrd out... He landed more punches than Chris... He had potential

Kalan wrote: There is nothing Ibeabuchi could do that Joshua can't do...

The chin... ?

The chin??? ... Neither were ever knocked down, badly rocked, or ever hurt... Whyte caught Joshua with a savage left hook and jarred him.. AJ didn't run... didn't grab... didn't wobble... didn't lose his composure... didn't flag... He came right back in the same round land landed good shots... Good point!!!!

It sucks less every day Wlad gets closer to retirement.

Kalan wrote:The chin??? ... Neither were ever knocked down, badly rocked, or ever hurt... Whyte caught Joshua with a savage left hook and jarred him.. AJ didn't run... didn't grab... didn't wobble... didn't lose his composure... didn't flag... He came right back in the same round land landed good shots... Good point!!!!

That left hook was nothing special.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:It sucks less every day Wlad gets closer to retirement.

Interesting point. Don't the Klitschko's pretty much disprove this thread's premise? They were good, very good, but it isn't a great era because for so long they were so ahead of the rest, and also didn't fight each other. Competition is the key, the fact that there's so much disagreement about how's the best between Wilder, Fury and Joshua means if between them they had a few fights it'd make for a very exciting time.

I'm talking a heavyweight so talented it causes the rest of the division to train their butts off! Like Ali had the feared Liston so Ali had to come

with it or get swallowed up! How Foreman inspired Ali to be great in their fight or Ali was going to get completely RUN OVER. How Prime Tyson

had Tucker, Tillman, Cooper, Thomas, Smith. Bruno, Spinks, all of these guys on their toes! They tried against Tyson they really did but it wasn't

enough but they came in great shape and gave it their all! Their is no current nightmarish heavyweight fighter.....one that strikes total FEAR.

When its like that where is the motivation? Imagine Errol Spence a solid 225lber these guys will retire early or bring their A Game. That or get

PUMMELED!

Ike was scary BTW...this verion of Ike would have these guys on the run!

Kalan wrote:They're all better than Ibeabuchi... I was a big Ibeabuchi fan and predicted he'd murder Chris Byrd within 5 rounds... Ibeabuchi would have made short work of Jimmy Young and Muhammad Ali too...because Ike wasn't a clumsy oaf like David Tua or George Foreman... Ike had blazing fast hands and good feet

But today you have Anthony Joshua... There is nothing Ibeabuchi could do that Joshua can't do... There are a few thing AJ can do that Ike never could dream of doing... One is crack a long range jab straight in your face with the precision of Larry Holmes... One is nail you with a right hand counter shot with the expertise of a prime Max Schmeling... One is defend the incoming like Gene Tunney... Below are a few more reasons why the Heavyweight division today is the greatest division in Boxing History right now.

THE TOP 31 HEAVYWEIGHTS TODAY...

1. Tyson Fury... 2. Anthony Joshua... 3. Luis Ortiz... 4. Deontay Wilder... 5. Wladimir Klitschko... 6. Alexander Povetkin... 7. David Haye... 8. Andy Ruiz... 9. Joseph Parker... 10. Charles Martin... 11. Bryant Jennings... 12. Erkan Teper... 13. Hughie Fury... 14. Kubrat Pulev... 15. Johann Duhaupas... 16. Ruslan Chagaev... 17. Bermane Stiverne... 18. Lucas Browne... 19. Malik Scott... 20. Carlos Takam... 21. Mike Perez... 22. Alexander Ustinov... 23. Dereck Chisora... 24. Christian Hammer... 25. Robert Helenius... 26. Steve Cunningham... 27. Artur Szpilka... 28. Otto Wallin... 29. Czar Glazkov... 30. Dominic Breazeale... 31. Amir Mansour

And below are some of the TERRIBLE Heavyweight Title Challengers from the 1950’s, 60’s and 70’s... They would never fly to get Heavyweight Title shots at Anthony Joshua. They were so bad they wouldn't make 4-round fighters today.

Don Cockell... Roland LaStarza... Tommy Jackson... Tom McNeely... Pete Rademacher... Roy Harris... Brian London... Henry Cooper... Karl Mildenbugger... Alfredo Evangelista... Chuck Wepner... Jean Pierre Coopman... Leon Stinks... Terry Daniels... Dave Zyglewitz... Manuel Ramos... Ron Stander... Richard Dunn...

I can’t even believe some of those fart-bags got title shots…

You clearly have no idea what you're talking about. The heavyweight division today is stronger than it has been in a while, but it's nothing compared to how good it was in the 90s, 80s and particularly the 70s. Today's guys are bigger and heavier, but generally have higher body fat and worse stamina. Add to that the fact that the top guys don't fight as often, or fight each other as often. Look at some of the guys who held titles and got title shots in recent years - many of them wouldn't have been contenders in the 70s.

BitPlayer wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:It sucks less every day Wlad gets closer to retirement.

Interesting point. Don't the Klitschko's pretty much disprove this thread's premise? They were good, very good, but it isn't a great era because for so long they were so ahead of the rest, and also didn't fight each other. Competition is the key, the fact that there's so much disagreement about how's the best between Wilder, Fury and Joshua means if between them they had a few fights it'd make for a very exciting time.

Quite the contrary for me. It's the lame way wlad dealt with his competitors and more importantly the lack of fights between 'contenders'. Just the worst era ever.

I'd say the HW division has had a bit of a renaissance. A decent crop of good young fighters who can compete with each other over the coming few years.

BitPlayer wrote:

Kalan wrote:The chin??? ... Neither were ever knocked down, badly rocked, or ever hurt... Whyte caught Joshua with a savage left hook and jarred him.. AJ didn't run... didn't grab... didn't wobble... didn't lose his composure... didn't flag... He came right back in the same round land landed good shots... Good point!!!!

That left hook was nothing special.

Just the best punch ever landed on AJ... Nothing special.

bnovelist wrote:no current nightmarish heavyweight fighter.....one that strikes total FEAR

Ortiz and Joshua strike more fear than I've ever seen anyone else do before them... Bryant Jennings was shtting his pants at the faceoff -- So was Charles Martin

You usually don't see that in men who are solid 6'3" X 226 to 6'5" X 245...

wilder Vs Arreola is why. just hope that Arreola is not hit too many times before he goes down

Kalan wrote:

BitPlayer wrote:

Kalan wrote:The chin??? ... Neither were ever knocked down, badly rocked, or ever hurt... Whyte caught Joshua with a savage left hook and jarred him.. AJ didn't run... didn't grab... didn't wobble... didn't lose his composure... didn't flag... He came right back in the same round land landed good shots... Good point!!!!

That left hook was nothing special.

Just the best punch ever landed on AJ... Nothing special.

Yup, when Breazeale is at least his second best opponent, it's not surprising.

BitPlayer wrote:

Kalan wrote:

BitPlayer wrote: That left hook was nothing special.

Just the best punch ever landed on AJ... Nothing special.

Yup, when Breazeale is at least his second best opponent, it's not surprising.

Whyte was obviously better lol.

Like a Boss wrote:It is in far better shape than it was a couple of years ago.

True

Grant wrote:wilder Vs Arreola is why. just hope that Arreola is not hit too many times before he goes down

I had the feeling they were pretty much friends splitting money.

Wilder was injured, so then you would think Arreola has a chance to win the fight, and does everything for that, next to that Arreola even stated that he never gave up before he had no choice left! Then all of a sudden someone from his team pretty much said: Oh, is Wilder injured? Oké, we stop the fight and give Wilder the another KO victory against a bum.


To me that seems like absolute bullshit, time over time again Wilder disappoints everyone and time over time the American media only put him up higher in the sky. It's a joke, everybody who ever owned the WBC belt feels embarrassed. And all of that against a rank 40, or 50 ish boxer, a recordbreaking lowest ranked title defence boxer in the history of the sport as far as I know of. Even some guys fighting on the undercard were ranked higher lol.

bnovelist wrote:Ike was scary BTW...this verion of Ike would have these guys on the run!

Yeah if he was chasing them about with his cock out shouting 'CALL ME PRESIDENT'!! Who wouldn't run

The division only sucks because fights are being cancelled and/or nor signed in the first place.

It does suck now.

But when and if Wlad, Fury, Wilder, Parker, Povetkin, Pulev and Joshua fight each other it will be opposite of "suck."