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It happens all the time with Wilder, for many years now. In my opinion it's simply time to remove the metal rods and learn some better technique.

I know many years ago he fought my fighter Travis Allen,Wilder broke his hand hitting him and it wasn't a sloppy punch he just hit that hard and my guy was there to be hit

In my opinion Wilder doesn't have the bone structure that is strong enough to handle his power. Most heavyweights built thicker over-all with heavier bones. His speed increases his power, and its just too much. I read somewhere he may have to go away from a puncher's glove to one that is more padded to protect his hands more.

BoloPunch wrote:

Badhusker wrote:In my opinion Wilder doesn't have the bone structure that is strong enough to handle his power. Most heavyweights built thicker over-all with heavier bones. His speed increases his power, and its just too much. I read somewhere he may have to go away from a puncher's glove to one that is more padded to protect his hands more.

That sounds plausible to me. I thought he might be also suffering a bit like Calzaghe, who seemed to be a victim of his poor technique, but I guess who cares if he keeps winning...

He will not keep winning if he steps up. He would have been destroyed by a better opponent in his last few fights.

If AJ, Fury, or Ortiz would have busted their power hand and tore their bicep they wouldn't do too well either.. the double standards and bias are ridiculous lol.

SFW wrote:If AJ, Fury, or Ortiz would have busted their power hand and tore their bicep they wouldn't do too well either.. the double standards and bias are ridiculous lol.

100% agree with this statement.
No one will argue that Wilder needs better opposition.
But who has beaten better fighters in the last 18 months.
In the last 18 months Wilder has beaten
Stiverne
Molina
Duhaupus
Szpikla
Arreola

Though not tge cream of the crop name a heavyweight that has 5 decent wins in the last 18 months.
There isn't one

I'd say bad technique has to be a huge factor, putting that much force into shots, with terrible punching technique is going to cause all sorts of musculoskeletal problems.

tiny_acres wrote:

SFW wrote:If AJ, Fury, or Ortiz would have busted their power hand and tore their bicep they wouldn't do too well either.. the double standards and bias are ridiculous lol.

100% agree with this statement.
No one will argue that Wilder needs better opposition.
But who has beaten better fighters in the last 18 months.
In the last 18 months Wilder has beaten
Stiverne
Molina
Duhaupus
Szpikla
Arreola

Though not tge cream of the crop name a heavyweight that has 5 decent wins in the last 18 months.
There isn't one

Stiverne is over 18 months ago, but whatever.

Jennings would win against them all and has lost against Ortiz.
Takam would win against them all, but lost against Parker.
Whyte would win against them all, but lost to AJ.
Klitschko would win against them all, but lost to Fury.

Now I admit that Deontay is quite busy, and I will also admit that if the others don't step up this year I'd have to blame them for the same thing, but it's not like Wilder faced top opponends.
I can't remember the bookies ever offering over 1.03 times your money back for a winning Wilder fight, while they have done with Joshua vs Martin for example, as well as Parker vs Takam. In other words, Wilder has absolutely never been at risk. Every match he did was a complete missmatch.

There's a bigger chance of Arreola dying within 10 years as a chance of Wilder losing that match. Actually, once it seems like Arreola actually had a chance since Wilder got injured, they stopped the fight?! And that while Arreola in the days before the fight stated that he never gave up in a fight??

Yea, sorry, but to me many of his fights seem like fixed, Arreola didn't even seem to try to his his head, just a few hits on Wilder's belly and not even focusing on the kidneys.

First of all Whyte is trash, park that short bus now before it's too late.

And the would have could have talk is silly, especially with Heavyweights where one shot can end the night at anytime. Wilder isn't some ATG but he's well above what the armchair quarterbacks want to pretend he is. Or someone would have sparked him by now, if he truly was a bum. He isn't. If it was up to the haters this guy would have to resurrect Ali and shut him out to get even a shred of credit. And they'd still find fault in some meaningless department. I find it amusing, but pretty meaningless. The truth always comes out, give it time. We'll be either proven right or wrong on Wilder. As of now, the haters are wrong.

asdfjkl wrote:

tiny_acres wrote:

SFW wrote:If AJ, Fury, or Ortiz would have busted their power hand and tore their bicep they wouldn't do too well either.. the double standards and bias are ridiculous lol.

100% agree with this statement.
No one will argue that Wilder needs better opposition.
But who has beaten better fighters in the last 18 months.
In the last 18 months Wilder has beaten
Stiverne
Molina
Duhaupus
Szpikla
Arreola

Though not tge cream of the crop name a heavyweight that has 5 decent wins in the last 18 months.
There isn't one

Stiverne is over 18 months ago, but whatever.

Jennings would win against them all and has lost against Ortiz.
Takam would win against them all, but lost against Parker.
Whyte would win against them all, but lost to AJ.
Klitschko would win against them all, but lost to Fury.

Now I admit that Deontay is quite busy, and I will also admit that if the others don't step up this year I'd have to blame them for the same thing, but it's not like Wilder faced top opponends.
I can't remember the bookies ever offering over 1.03 times your money back for a winning Wilder fight, while they have done with Joshua vs Martin for example, as well as Parker vs Takam. In other words, Wilder has absolutely never been at risk. Every match he did was a complete missmatch.

There's a bigger chance of Arreola dying within 10 years as a chance of Wilder losing that match. Actually, once it seems like Arreola actually had a chance since Wilder got injured, they stopped the fight?! And that while Arreola in the days before the fight stated that he never gave up in a fight??

Yea, sorry, but to me many of his fights seem like fixed, Arreola didn't even seem to try to his his head, just a few hits on Wilder's belly and not even focusing on the kidneys.

So since Arreola didn't focus on hitting Wilder with Kidney shots you think it was fixed?

By the way, Interesting side note: Peter Fury recently said that Wilder is the only real threat to Tyson Fury.
Carry on keep making a fool of yourself bashing Wilder. I know of no one on this board that said he is a great heavyweight...a future hall of famer, but your comments are borderline retarded.

tiny_acres wrote:

SFW wrote:If AJ, Fury, or Ortiz would have busted their power hand and tore their bicep they wouldn't do too well either.. the double standards and bias are ridiculous lol.

100% agree with this statement.
No one will argue that Wilder needs better opposition.
But who has beaten better fighters in the last 18 months.
In the last 18 months Wilder has beaten
Stiverne
Molina
Duhaupus
Szpikla
Arreola

Though not tge cream of the crop name a heavyweight that has 5 decent wins in the last 18 months.
There isn't one

Arreola wasn't a decent win at all....have you seen him lately?

There are loads of HWs who have fought better opponents. Sure, Deontay has beaten his fair share of guys who were top 15-40, but he's at 37 fights and his best opponent was arguably fat, lazy Stiverne, a guy who well into his career was getting a boxing lesson from 40 year old Ray Austin. After that it may well be Szpilka, someone who could hardly win a round against Bryant Jennings, went down twice, and was stopped despite Jennings not being a puncher. Incidentally, I thought Jennings clearly did a better job on AS than Wilder did.

Of BoxRec's current top 10, I'd say that Fury, Wlad, Povetkin, Pulev, Ortiz, and Parker have fought opponents who are better than anyone Wilder has faced, and AJ's matchmaking has been much tougher than DW's at a comparable time in their careers (it's been rumored that AJ's 18th opponent will be Stiverne by the way). Deontay seems very capable to me, and I think he has a realistic chance against anyone, but I'd like to see him test himself more. It's disappointing the Povetkin fight fell through, and I hope he can return from the injury and soon after a career-best opponent.

asdfjkl wrote:

tiny_acres wrote:

SFW wrote:If AJ, Fury, or Ortiz would have busted their power hand and tore their bicep they wouldn't do too well either.. the double standards and bias are ridiculous lol.

100% agree with this statement.
No one will argue that Wilder needs better opposition.
But who has beaten better fighters in the last 18 months.
In the last 18 months Wilder has beaten
Stiverne
Molina
Duhaupus
Szpikla
Arreola

Though not tge cream of the crop name a heavyweight that has 5 decent wins in the last 18 months.
There isn't one

Stiverne is over 18 months ago, but whatever.

Jennings would win against them all and has lost against Ortiz.
Takam would win against them all, but lost against Parker.
Whyte would win against them all, but lost to AJ.
Klitschko would win against them all, but lost to Fury.

Now I admit that Deontay is quite busy, and I will also admit that if the others don't step up this year I'd have to blame them for the same thing, but it's not like Wilder faced top opponends.
I can't remember the bookies ever offering over 1.03 times your money back for a winning Wilder fight, while they have done with Joshua vs Martin for example, as well as Parker vs Takam. In other words, Wilder has absolutely never been at risk. Every match he did was a complete missmatch.

There's a bigger chance of Arreola dying within 10 years as a chance of Wilder losing that match. Actually, once it seems like Arreola actually had a chance since Wilder got injured, they stopped the fight?! And that while Arreola in the days before the fight stated that he never gave up in a fight??

Yea, sorry, but to me many of his fights seem like fixed, Arreola didn't even seem to try to his his head, just a few hits on Wilder's belly and not even focusing on the kidneys.

Really based on what? Who has Whyte beaten that is anything like Szpilka, he hasn't beaten anyone close to that level. Jennings and Takam are far from certain to win either.

crusader wrote:Of BoxRec's current top 10, I'd say that Fury, Wlad, Povetkin, Pulev, Ortiz, and Parker have fought opponents who are better than anyone Wilder has faced

I'm not sure about that. Pulev's wins are nothing that special, Chisora being his only recent good win, and before that he only really has Tompson and Ustinov, Ortiz only has Jennings, so that's really just opponent, and I'm not sure Takam is really above the level of Wilder's opponents/

I wrote 'have fought', not 'have beat'. For me it's not so much a matter of beating top opponents (which is harder than beating a slew of fringe contenders) as it is actually facing them. Pulev doesn't have great wins, but Wlad is far better than anyone Wilder has faced, Jennings routed one of Wilder's best few opponents and is IMO clearly better than anyone DW's faced, and I'd give Takam an edge over people like Stiverne (overrated from beating fat boy Arreola), Scott ('nothing special' Chisora still knocked him out), Szpilka, Duhaupas, Molina, etc.

I acknowledge that Deontay has beaten plenty of people who were in the 15-40 range, but as someone who has had nearly 40 fights, will be going on 10 years as a pro when he comes back from injury, holds a belt, and is considered an elite heavy by many, I would like to see him fight someone who is better than Stiverne (seems like a good chance he's AJ's next opponent), Szpilka, etc. It sucks that the Povetkin fight was cancelled, because that really fit the bill.

Badhusker wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

tiny_acres wrote: 100% agree with this statement.
No one will argue that Wilder needs better opposition.
But who has beaten better fighters in the last 18 months.
In the last 18 months Wilder has beaten
Stiverne
Molina
Duhaupus
Szpikla
Arreola

Though not tge cream of the crop name a heavyweight that has 5 decent wins in the last 18 months.
There isn't one

Stiverne is over 18 months ago, but whatever.

Jennings would win against them all and has lost against Ortiz.
Takam would win against them all, but lost against Parker.
Whyte would win against them all, but lost to AJ.
Klitschko would win against them all, but lost to Fury.

Now I admit that Deontay is quite busy, and I will also admit that if the others don't step up this year I'd have to blame them for the same thing, but it's not like Wilder faced top opponends.
I can't remember the bookies ever offering over 1.03 times your money back for a winning Wilder fight, while they have done with Joshua vs Martin for example, as well as Parker vs Takam. In other words, Wilder has absolutely never been at risk. Every match he did was a complete missmatch.

There's a bigger chance of Arreola dying within 10 years as a chance of Wilder losing that match. Actually, once it seems like Arreola actually had a chance since Wilder got injured, they stopped the fight?! And that while Arreola in the days before the fight stated that he never gave up in a fight??

Yea, sorry, but to me many of his fights seem like fixed, Arreola didn't even seem to try to his his head, just a few hits on Wilder's belly and not even focusing on the kidneys.

So since Arreola didn't focus on hitting Wilder with Kidney shots you think it was fixed?

By the way, Interesting side note: Peter Fury recently said that Wilder is the only real threat to Tyson Fury.
Carry on keep making a fool of yourself bashing Wilder. I know of no one on this board that said he is a great heavyweight...a future hall of famer, but your comments are borderline retarded.

Lol @ your interesting sidenote. The Fury's do everything to hype Wilder, and will continue to do so untill the day they are going to fight. At the same time they are doing everything they can to down AJ since he isn't an amateur any more. Before that they said AJ was going to become a world champion one day and that that amateur was killing Tyson. It's all part of the mind- and moneygame.

Spilzka's showing against Jennings had more factors involved than just what happened in the ring. Look at all the shit he went through leading up to that fight. Certainly not as prepared or sharp as what he showed against Wilder. I bet Jennings would have a tougher time if they fought again, but that's just a thought.

FMjr had a lot of hand trouble. Doubt that had much to do with poor technique...

Badhusker wrote:In my opinion Wilder doesn't have the bone structure that is strong enough to handle his power. Most heavyweights built thicker over-all with heavier bones. His speed increases his power, and its just too much. I read somewhere he may have to go away from a puncher's glove to one that is more padded to protect his hands more.

Yeah I would guess it's a lack of bone density as well after all its his bones that's the problem. As well as everything else you mentioned above.

Also the technique thing could be another part of it. He really loads up when he sees his opponent stunned and that's understandable but he also does it when they're not. He's yet to fight a quick good boxer who can capitalise on that. Anyway, just like in weight training if your technique is bad, you set yourself up for injuries.