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tired of ridiculous slugger deontay wilder
time after time finding good reason why
he fights undeserving opponents or over-
weight weirdos like tyson fury, who should
become circus announcers instead of doing
professional sports.

sorry, i know this is nothing new, but clears
my mind nevertheless. i love this sport and
hate the ducks. top ones right now are mr
wilder and senor alvarez.

i have no problem with people avoiding
others, just give your titles back and don't
ever dare use the word "champion" in close
connection to your name.

No one's ducking Joshua. Just incase you didn't know the truth. Truth is, he's probably the most called out fighter.

He's good but the fact is Klitschko, Haye etc..are calling him out.

foxdog1923 wrote:No one's ducking Joshua. Just incase you didn't know the truth. Truth is, he's probably the most called out fighter.

He's good but the fact is Klitschko, Haye etc..are calling him out.

i didn't imply people are ducking him.
i claim they duck each other and i have
some hope he is cut from different cloth.

plus "calling out" means nothing. wilder
"called out" all kinds of people before he
turns and fights a bum around the corner.
that seems to be the strategy: if i call
people out loud enough then i get away
with fighting nobodies, claiming i was
ducked myself.

look at wilder's record: he fights the
absolute minimum quality of opposition
he gets away with. but shouts out how
he will unify the universe.

sure.

man wrote:

foxdog1923 wrote:No one's ducking Joshua. Just incase you didn't know the truth. Truth is, he's probably the most called out fighter.

He's good but the fact is Klitschko, Haye etc..are calling him out.

i didn't imply people are ducking him.
i claim they duck each other and i have
some hope he is cut from different cloth.

plus "calling out" means nothing. wilder
"called out" all kinds of people before he
turns and fights a bum around the corner.
that seems to be the strategy: if i call
people out loud enough then i get away
with fighting nobodies, claiming i was
ducked myself.

look at wilder's record: he fights the
absolute minimum quality of opposition
he gets away with. but shouts out how
he will unify the universe.

sure.

Fair enough. I hope Joshua is as good as hes built up to be cos his impressive record is on the path of a boxing superstar. However he hasn't fought anyone and "anyones" are keen to fight him.

Wilder? Wilder sux. Povetkin stuffed up their bout. Meldonium is the reason why there's is no fight. Everyone with a brain knows that.

Yes everyone else should be fighting worthy title challengers like Breazeale.

Calling out...how old are people here?

Managers, promoters, TV and sanctioning ABCs arrange the fights, taking into consideration one thing only - return on investment.

All those ignorant slobs, boxer, do whatever their manager tells them, when he tells them. It's in their contracts

The boxers are investment projects (most of them, Russian's are sometimes political instruments)

Joshua is a ducker.

I wouldn't mind because he's still green, but he's masquerading as a world champion so he doesn't get a pass anymore.

We can only hope that Joshua grabs all of the straps and brings the division back to the respectable level it used to be. I've grown tired of watching Wilder hamming it up in the ring after knocking out an inferior opponent like he just knocked out Tyson. Those are the kind of fights you get your hand raised and shrug your shoulders as if to say "i'm sorry" to the fans not pound your chest and jump up on the turnbuckles.

Joshua is a clean cut kid who seems to get "it". The heavyweight division finally has some interesting competition in it but Boxing stands to waste it if they don't start getting people to fight each other. Wilder's all broken up now after beating up a heavy bag so he'll need a year at least to get healthy. My only hope is that the winner of Wlad/Fury signs on to fight Joshua so we can take a huge step in the right direction in the division.

It's hilarious that people not only think Joshua would easilly beat the top fighters in the division, but think him being super great would make the division great, no that comes from a high level of competition, top pick 'em fights.

If I were in charge of handling Joshua's career, wouldn't push him too fast. He is still young, and needs to be brought along slowly still, despite his apparent talent level. I think it was Lennox Lewis that said he needs a stronger foundation before getting and staying at the top. Its the fans that are impatient and want it all right now. Like Wilder, his amateur career was fairly limited as far as amount of fights.

I think he is as deserving of a champion as any right now, but he needs some more good fights before taking on the likes of Wlad, Fury, Ortiz, Povetkin, and even Wilder at this point. Could he beat them all right now? Very possible, but he is young and has plenty of time. They fed Wilder a lot of tomato cans because he didn't start boxing until 23, and only had 20 or 30 amateur fights. Pisses people off, but it is the right thing to do if someone is learning on the job.

Badhusker wrote:If I were in charge of handling Joshua's career, wouldn't push him too fast. He is still young, and needs to be brought along slowly still, despite his apparent talent level. I think it was Lennox Lewis that said he needs a stronger foundation before getting and staying at the top. Its the fans that are impatient and want it all right now. Like Wilder, his amateur career was fairly limited as far as amount of fights.

I think he is as deserving of a champion as any right now, but he needs some more good fights before taking on the likes of Wlad, Fury, Ortiz, Povetkin, and even Wilder at this point. Could he beat them all right now? Very possible, but he is young and has plenty of time. They fed Wilder a lot of tomato cans because he didn't start boxing until 23, and only had 20 or 30 amateur fights. Pisses people off, but it is the right thing to do if someone is learning on the job.

It makes me laugh how people criticise Wilder for fighting bums yet Joshua hasn't fought anybody with a pulse. Breazeale, really is he any better than Areola?

The best "formline" by an absolute street is the Fury - Klitschko - Povetkin one.

Until Wilder / Joshua beat one of them they cannot seriously be called a "genuine" world champion.

foxdog1923 wrote:No one's ducking Joshua. Just incase you didn't know the truth. Truth is, he's probably the most called out fighter.

He's good but the fact is Klitschko, Haye etc..are calling him out.

What's such a call worth if the first thing what happens when Joshua accepts is "Oh, sorry I need to fight Fury first" (for about 8 months now), or David Haye (who's only fought two bums in the past 4 years) saying he needs to fight Briggs and that other cruiserweight first?
Deontay, injured/Povetkin.

Povetkin (the only one who doesn't challenge him) actually got a fair chance to fight him imo, I would love to see Wilder running, while AJ makes him look like a joke.
All this, assuming he doesn't fight Parker soon, which is also a great fight, Parker would beat Wilder easely for example.

Ortiz is the best guy in the division imo or atleast the biggest threat to the top dogs.

asdfjkl wrote:

foxdog1923 wrote:No one's ducking Joshua. Just incase you didn't know the truth. Truth is, he's probably the most called out fighter.

He's good but the fact is Klitschko, Haye etc..are calling him out.

What's such a call worth if the first thing what happens when Joshua accepts is "Oh, sorry I need to fight Fury first" (for about 8 months now), or David Haye (who's only fought two bums in the past 4 years) saying he needs to fight Briggs and that other cruiserweight first?
Deontay, injured/Povetkin.

Povetkin (the only one who doesn't challenge him) actually got a fair chance to fight him imo, I would love to see Wilder running, while AJ makes him look like a joke.
All this, assuming he doesn't fight Parker soon, which is also a great fight, Parker would beat Wilder easely for example.

How can you justify such a claim?

caldo2025 wrote:We can only hope that Joshua grabs all of the straps and brings the division back to the respectable level it used to be. I've grown tired of watching Wilder hamming it up in the ring after knocking out an inferior opponent like he just knocked out Tyson. Those are the kind of fights you get your hand raised and shrug your shoulders as if to say "i'm sorry" to the fans not pound your chest and jump up on the turnbuckles.

Joshua is a clean cut kid who seems to get "it". The heavyweight division finally has some interesting competition in it but Boxing stands to waste it if they don't start getting people to fight each other. Wilder's all broken up now after beating up a heavy bag so he'll need a year at least to get healthy. My only hope is that the winner of Wlad/Fury signs on to fight Joshua so we can take a huge step in the right direction in the division.

yes, yes, yes.

BitPlayer wrote:It's hilarious that people not only think Joshua would easilly beat the top fighters in the division, but think him being super great would make the division great, no that comes from a high level of competition, top pick 'em fights.

to be fair, he had 17 pro fights,
which is nothing and it seems to
me he constantly steps up in the
level of opponents. i was never
tempted to say that for wilder's
rise ...

BitPlayer wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:

foxdog1923 wrote:No one's ducking Joshua. Just incase you didn't know the truth. Truth is, he's probably the most called out fighter.

He's good but the fact is Klitschko, Haye etc..are calling him out.

What's such a call worth if the first thing what happens when Joshua accepts is "Oh, sorry I need to fight Fury first" (for about 8 months now), or David Haye (who's only fought two bums in the past 4 years) saying he needs to fight Briggs and that other cruiserweight first?
Deontay, injured/Povetkin.

Povetkin (the only one who doesn't challenge him) actually got a fair chance to fight him imo, I would love to see Wilder running, while AJ makes him look like a joke.
All this, assuming he doesn't fight Parker soon, which is also a great fight, Parker would beat Wilder easely for example.

How can you justify such a claim?

It's a fight between a weak, but good boxer vs a drunk octopus. The boxer will allways win that, Parker is simply too good compared to Wilder.

foxdog1923 wrote:No one's ducking Joshua. Just incase you didn't know the truth. Truth is, he's probably the most called out fighter.

He's good but the fact is Klitschko, Haye etc..are calling him out.

This is what's so interesting... Joshua is such big box-office he'll get the fights he needs... Guys are calling him out. If Joshua can dispose of Parker, Fury, Haye, Klitschko, Wilder, Povetkin, and Ortiz in that order. He'll be 24-0 with the best resume in the History of the Heavyweight Division. He's capable of doing this because there's no holes in his game.

Louis's jab was very counterable... Ali's defensive was extremely leaky... Johnson would get fat like for the Willard fight... Holmes lacked KO power as did Tunney... Dempsey, Tyson, Liston, Foreman, Jeffries, Lewis etc. lacked top grade boxing skills and were all pretty hittable... Wladimir has no body attack... Vitali had chronically injured legs from kickboxing. He moved like an automaton... Haye can box and punch, but he's a little guy who can't hang... Holyfield was another cruiserweight... Ortiz is an old man, or will be in another year or 2 when AJ needs to fight him... Joshua is the first Heavyweight I've seen who seems to have an airtight style... He has no major holes in his skillset and already owns a World Title in his prime ... Once he clears these 7 beatable Heavyweights out it's clear sailing for 5 to 8 more years.

Kalan wrote:

foxdog1923 wrote:No one's ducking Joshua. Just incase you didn't know the truth. Truth is, he's probably the most called out fighter.

He's good but the fact is Klitschko, Haye etc..are calling him out.

This is what's so interesting... Joshua is such big box-office he'll get the fights he needs... Guys are calling him out. If Joshua can dispose of Parker, Fury, Haye, Klitschko, Wilder, Povetkin, and Ortiz in that order. He'll be 24-0 with the best resume in the History of the Heavyweight Division. He's capable of doing this because there's no holes in his game.

Louis's jab was very counterable... Ali's defensive was extremely leaky... Johnson would get fat like for the Willard fight... Holmes lacked KO power as did Tunney... Dempsey, Tyson, Liston, Foreman, Jeffries, Lewis etc. lacked top grade boxing skills and were all pretty hittable... Wladimir has no body attack... Vitali had chronically injured legs from kickboxing. He moved like an automaton... Haye can box and punch, but he's a little guy who can't hang... Holyfield was another cruiserweight... Ortiz is an old man, or will be in another year or 2 when AJ needs to fight him... Joshua is the first Heavyweight I've seen who seems to have an airtight style... He has no major holes in his skillset and already owns a World Title in his prime ... Once he clears these 7 beatable Heavyweights out it's clear sailing for 5 to 8 more years.

But hang on. You said Ortiz would beat Joshua!

asdfjkl wrote:

BitPlayer wrote:

asdfjkl wrote: What's such a call worth if the first thing what happens when Joshua accepts is "Oh, sorry I need to fight Fury first" (for about 8 months now), or David Haye (who's only fought two bums in the past 4 years) saying he needs to fight Briggs and that other cruiserweight first?
Deontay, injured/Povetkin.

Povetkin (the only one who doesn't challenge him) actually got a fair chance to fight him imo, I would love to see Wilder running, while AJ makes him look like a joke.
All this, assuming he doesn't fight Parker soon, which is also a great fight, Parker would beat Wilder easely for example.

How can you justify such a claim?

It's a fight between a weak, but good boxer vs a drunk octopus. The boxer will allways win that, Parker is simply too good compared to Wilder.

Wow for the first time ever, I would have to agree with you.

Wilder is far too open and when he fights a good BOXER, boxing will win. Wilders just fought big oaths with power but none have speed and tidy boxing ability and power that Joseph has.

The only opponent that would give Wilder his respect IF he beats would have been Povetkin. Now that's an opponent. All the 37 he has fought, some of them might have gone far but they lost.

man wrote:

BitPlayer wrote:It's hilarious that people not only think Joshua would easilly beat the top fighters in the division, but think him being super great would make the division great, no that comes from a high level of competition, top pick 'em fights.

to be fair, he had 17 pro fights,
which is nothing and it seems to
me he constantly steps up in the
level of opponents. i was never
tempted to say that for wilder's
rise ...

And? My point is he could be the greatest P4P boxer ever, if the rest of the division is week, the era will still be poor because there'd be no great fights.

asdfjkl wrote:It's a fight between a weak, but good boxer vs a drunk octopus. The boxer will allways win that, Parker is simply too good compared to Wilder.

Maybe I've not seen enough of him, be from the Takam fight while he looked good, especially for his age, I'm not nearly convinced that he could outpoint someone the size of Wilder, and avoid the big punches, Wilder has a fair few flaws but he's got a ton of power, easilly enough to change a fight. I'm not saying he'd have no hope, but I don't see how, at the stage he's a now, he'd not be a rather large underdog.

Parker has the skills to beat AJ. Hearn is in no rush to make that fight. AJ is robotic and might have stamina issues.

marvelous marv wrote:Parker has the skills to beat AJ. Hearn is in no rush to make that fight. AJ is robotic and might have stamina issues.

Parker is a hype job imo. You watch him get exposed when he steps. Don't get me wrong, he did well scraping by against Takam but the top dogs of the division will be a different story.

lefty wrote:

marvelous marv wrote:Parker has the skills to beat AJ. Hearn is in no rush to make that fight. AJ is robotic and might have stamina issues.

Parker is a hype job imo. You watch him get exposed when he steps. Don't get me wrong, he did well scraping by against Takam but the top dogs of the division will be a different story.

He's got time to improve, but I don't think he has the attributes to ever be on top. But claiming AJ is on top now is pretty ridiculous considering he hasn't fought someone half as good as Takam.

Plus Parker clearly won. Hardly scrapped by.

Takam was a solid top ten guy IMO.

I think he's better than anyone Joshua, Wilder, and Pulev have beaten, and about on par with Ortiz's best opponent in Jennings. I don't think Parker is quite up there with the division's elite, but he is also still very young and has lots of time left to improve, so for him to already have one of the best recent wins in the division is a good sign, especially when he was making such a huge step up.