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Sam Soliman likely to retire
Posted: 25 Jul 2016, 19:17
by Like a Boss
Sam's manager David Stanley's words have the ring of retirement attached to them :
“Sam achieved his dream, fought anyone, anywhere, anytime."
“He trained with passion and fun his whole career. He climbed to the top of the mountain in the sport he loves and chose to do."
Re: Sam Soliman likely to retire
Posted: 26 Jul 2016, 17:07
by MaxiBoxc
That's right. Old war-horse must to retire. It was good career for Soliman.
As far as I know, his 518 rounds during pro-career is a world record. Second place by Hopkins with his 506 rounds.
Re: Sam Soliman likely to retire
Posted: 26 Jul 2016, 17:09
by gilgamesh
It's definitely the right thing to do. He was always as game as they come, but that knee injury he suffered in the Taylor fight just doesn't allow him to stay on his feet now when he takes heavy shots. A real pro, and a solid fighter. He's had a career in the fight game any man could be proud of.
Re: Sam Soliman likely to retire
Posted: 26 Jul 2016, 22:50
by Perseus
Soliman has had a long, successful career as a prize fighter but the miles have taken their toll on him.
All that's left in the ring for him is more beatings, retiring is the smart thing to do.
I don't know how many fighters have won titles in kickboxing and boxing but I know it's a short list and Sam Soliman has his name on that list.
When he won the IBF title a few years ago he became the oldest first time winner of a world title in boxing history and one of just 10 fighters to have held a world title at age 40 or older.
Those are not small accomplishments.
A lot of boxers SAY they'll fight anybody, anywhere. Soliman was one of the few that actually did it.
He traveled all over the world fighting most of the top fighters of his era, willing to take any opportunity.
Sam wasn't heavy handed or a technically brilliant boxer but he was very athletic, had a cement chin and was tireless. At his best he was a tough assignment for anybody.
Sam's best work in the ring imo:
Felix Sturm UD 12- dominates the long-time title holder to win his only world title
Sakio Bika MD 12- first person to edge the rugged Bika who would go on to be a world champion himself
Nader Hamdan UD 12- exposes the previously unbeaten Hamdan
Ray Joval UD 12- avenges a previous loss in dominating fashion, impressive win over a quality opponent
Giovanni Lorenzo UD 12- solid win over a quality boxer who was significantly younger than Sam.
imo Sam's best performance was a losing effort to Winky Wright when Winky himself was at his best. No shame at all in losing to a peak version of that man.
Re: Sam Soliman likely to retire
Posted: 27 Jul 2016, 01:06
by gilgamesh
Perseus wrote:
imo Sam's best performance was a losing effort to Winky Wright when Winky himself was at his best. No shame at all in losing to a peak version of that man.
Yep Sandwiched in between Winky's fights with Mosley and Trinidad (the peak of Winky's career). Sam Soliman won more rounds against Winky Wright than either of those Hall of Famers.
If I recall I had both the Mosley-Winky fights scored 117-111 for Winky (might've had 116-112 Winky for the 2nd one...it's been a while my memories a bit fuzzy on that)
Winky shut Tito out more or less. You could give Tito one charity round if you wanted to I guess, but it was basically a 120-108 shutout for Winky.
Sam Soliman held Winky Wright to a tough 115-113 decision on my card, and gave him all he could handle. Wright had some noticeable swelling on his face after that one too.
Re: Sam Soliman likely to retire
Posted: 27 Jul 2016, 02:15
by ClivePatrickLyons
MaxiBoxc wrote:That's right. Old war-horse must to retire. It was good career for Soliman.
As far as I know, his 518 rounds during pro-career is a world record. Second place by Hopkins with his 506 rounds.
Mate you say as far as you know Sams 518 round's during his career is a world record can you explain to me why its a world record
Re: Sam Soliman likely to retire
Posted: 27 Jul 2016, 03:15
by MaxiBoxc
ClivePatrickLyons wrote:MaxiBoxc wrote:That's right. Old war-horse must to retire. It was good career for Soliman.
As far as I know, his 518 rounds during pro-career is a world record. Second place by Hopkins with his 506 rounds.
Mate you say as far as you know Sams 518 round's during his career is a world record can you explain to me why its a world record
Because nobody has more rounds than him. He is the most expirienced fighter in pro-boxing.
Re: Sam Soliman likely to retire
Posted: 27 Jul 2016, 03:34
by Beltane
Sam's 518 rounds pale in comparison with the approx 2,000 rounds that Sugar Ray Robinson put in!
Re: Sam Soliman likely to retire
Posted: 27 Jul 2016, 12:09
by MaxiBoxc
Beltane wrote:Sam's 518 rounds pale in comparison with the approx 2,000 rounds that Sugar Ray Robinson put in!
I see that Robinson has 1401 rounds.
Re: Sam Soliman likely to retire
Posted: 27 Jul 2016, 22:35
by Lairdy
MaxiBoxc wrote:Beltane wrote:Sam's 518 rounds pale in comparison with the approx 2,000 rounds that Sugar Ray Robinson put in!
I see that Robinson has 1401 rounds.
Let's not forget English boxer Peter Buckley's 1686 rounds...
Re: Sam Soliman likely to retire
Posted: 28 Jul 2016, 01:39
by p4p1
i thought Willie Pepp would be up there, he has 1955 but Maxie Rosenbloom blows him out the water with 2523.
Re: Sam Soliman likely to retire
Posted: 29 Jul 2016, 01:55
by ClivePatrickLyons
MaxiBoxc wrote:ClivePatrickLyons wrote:MaxiBoxc wrote:That's right. Old war-horse must to retire. It was good career for Soliman.
As far as I know, his 518 rounds during pro-career is a world record. Second place by Hopkins with his 506 rounds.
Mate you say as far as you know Sams 518 round's during his career is a world record can you explain to me why its a world record
Because nobody has more rounds than him. He is the most expirienced fighter in pro-boxing.
Ok
....So someone will take over from Sam now that he's retired
Re: Sam Soliman likely to retire
Posted: 29 Jul 2016, 03:31
by Beltane
No one can take over from Sam, whose unique style, backed up by a ton of ticker to take those tough fights, shows he was champion fighter and bloke.
Re: Sam Soliman likely to retire
Posted: 29 Jul 2016, 09:25
by thunderfromdownunder
SAMs been around as long as I've been watching boxing, a true warrior and a Aussie legend
Re: Sam Soliman likely to retire
Posted: 29 Jul 2016, 17:46
by gregor
MaxiBoxc wrote:That's right. Old war-horse must to retire. It was good career for Soliman.
As far as I know, his 518 rounds during pro-career is a world record. Second place by Hopkins with his 506 rounds.
Possibly, but only if you meant active fighters... otherwise (for example) Toney has 682 rounds and Duran 800+. And I guess the record would belong to someone from the past (like Willie Pep with almost 2000 rounds).
Re: Sam Soliman likely to retire
Posted: 01 Aug 2016, 02:27
by MaxiBoxc
gregor wrote:MaxiBoxc wrote:That's right. Old war-horse must to retire. It was good career for Soliman.
As far as I know, his 518 rounds during pro-career is a world record. Second place by Hopkins with his 506 rounds.
Possibly, but only if you meant active fighters... otherwise (for example) Toney has 682 rounds and Duran 800+. And I guess the record would belong to someone from the past (like Willie Pep with almost 2000 rounds).
Yeah, may be I didn't understood something right, when I heard this information.
Re: Sam Soliman likely to retire
Posted: 10 Aug 2016, 20:38
by Like a Boss
Sam Soliman and Michael Zerafa were on SEN radio earlier this week talking with Peter Maniatis.
Missed the interview. Would love to have heard what Sam had to say about whether he will continue or not. I suspect he won't.
Re: Sam Soliman likely to retire
Posted: 01 Nov 2016, 22:33
by Like a Boss
Sam Soliman's manager David Stanley is trying to tee up a fight between Sam and Daniel Geale.
Re: Sam Soliman likely to retire
Posted: 01 Nov 2016, 22:55
by Perseus
If you match the right fighters you can get a good fight.
Both are spent bullets but in the ring with each other they may produce a fun fight.
Re: Sam Soliman likely to retire
Posted: 01 Nov 2016, 23:05
by Like a Boss
Perseus wrote:If you match the right fighters you can get a good fight.
Both are spent bullets but in the ring with each other they may produce a fun fight.
Agreed. Some of the better fights I've seen have been between relative no-names who were well matched.
Spent bullets who may produce a fun fight is exactly how I see Green vs Mundine as well. But I'll leave further discussion of that for the other thread.
Re: Sam Soliman likely to retire
Posted: 02 Nov 2016, 00:21
by DA GOOSE
Like a Boss wrote:Perseus wrote:If you match the right fighters you can get a good fight.
Both are spent bullets but in the ring with each other they may produce a fun fight.
Agreed. Some of the better fights I've seen have been between relative no-names who were well matched.
Spent bullets who may produce a fun fight is exactly how I see Green vs Mundine as well. But I'll leave further discussion of that for the other thread.
Re: Sam Soliman likely to retire
Posted: 02 Nov 2016, 00:27
by Like a Boss
DA GOOSE wrote:Like a Boss wrote:Perseus wrote:If you match the right fighters you can get a good fight.
Both are spent bullets but in the ring with each other they may produce a fun fight.
Agreed. Some of the better fights I've seen have been between relative no-names who were well matched.
Spent bullets who may produce a fun fight is exactly how I see Green vs Mundine as well. But I'll leave further discussion of that for the other thread.
Re: Sam Soliman likely to retire
Posted: 02 Nov 2016, 05:32
by Grant
Perseus wrote:Soliman has had a long, successful career as a prize fighter but the miles have taken their toll on him.
All that's left in the ring for him is more beatings, retiring is the smart thing to do.
I don't know how many fighters have won titles in kickboxing and boxing but I know it's a short list and Sam Soliman has his name on that list.
When he won the IBF title a few years ago he became the oldest first time winner of a world title in boxing history and one of just 10 fighters to have held a world title at age 40 or older.
Those are not small accomplishments.
A lot of boxers SAY they'll fight anybody, anywhere. Soliman was one of the few that actually did it.
He traveled all over the world fighting most of the top fighters of his era, willing to take any opportunity.
Sam wasn't heavy handed or a technically brilliant boxer but he was very athletic, had a cement chin and was tireless. At his best he was a tough assignment for anybody.
Sam's best work in the ring imo:
Felix Sturm UD 12- dominates the long-time title holder to win his only world title
Sakio Bika MD 12- first person to edge the rugged Bika who would go on to be a world champion himself
Nader Hamdan UD 12- exposes the previously unbeaten Hamdan
Ray Joval UD 12- avenges a previous loss in dominating fashion, impressive win over a quality opponent
Giovanni Lorenzo UD 12- solid win over a quality boxer who was significantly younger than Sam.
imo Sam's best performance was a losing effort to Winky Wright when Winky himself was at his best. No shame at all in losing to a peak version of that man.
I think Winky at the time was top two or three in the Boxrec P4P ratings