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Terrance Crawford deserves all the credit he's getting for soundly defeating Postol in his first PPV event and he clearly proved he's a P4P star. But to me, Oscar Valdez winning his first world title in the fight before was most impressive part of the night. I don't want to get too dramatic here but this kid displayed tools unlike anything i've seen in a long time. Great speed and power in both hands? Good looking kid that speaks fluent English and Spanish with a great smile? This kid is going to take boxing by storm and I think that he'll give Loma and LSC all they can handle (even though Loma beat him in amateurs, this is the pro's).

Are you as excited as i man about this kid or do i need to check myself?

caldo2025 wrote:Terrance Crawford deserves all the credit he's getting for soundly defeating Postol in his first PPV event and he clearly proved he's a P4P star. But to me, Oscar Valdez winning his first world title in the fight before was most impressive part of the night. I don't want to get too dramatic here but this kid displayed tools unlike anything i've seen in a long time. Great speed and power in both hands? Good looking kid that speaks fluent English and Spanish with a great smile? This kid is going to take boxing by storm and I think that he'll give Loma and LSC all they can handle (even though Loma beat him in amateurs, this is the pro's).

Are you as excited as i man about this kid or do i need to check myself?

I think there's definitely a right to be excited about Oscar's future but I'm still not going overboard yet. Yes he showed great skills in this fight and in the past and puts on a show while doing it but he still hasn't had that one opponent where you know he's going to be tested. Rueda was a complete unknown with a padded record, Gradovich has never been impressive to me. Oscar has been brought through well and although he is champion there is still no need to rush him. the WBO top looks very weak and so he can still have a couple of gimme fights in the mean time before he starts being put in with the other top guys in the division or headlining his own shows. I would favour Russel jnr and Lomachenko if he come back to down to beat Oscar now.

caldo2025 wrote:Terrance Crawford deserves all the credit he's getting for soundly defeating Postol in his first PPV event and he clearly proved he's a P4P star. But to me, Oscar Valdez winning his first world title in the fight before was most impressive part of the night. I don't want to get too dramatic here but this kid displayed tools unlike anything i've seen in a long time. Great speed and power in both hands? Good looking kid that speaks fluent English and Spanish with a great smile? This kid is going to take boxing by storm and I think that he'll give Loma and LSC all they can handle (even though Loma beat him in amateurs, this is the pro's).

Are you as excited as i man about this kid or do i need to check myself?

I was feeling the same way a few fights ago but Oscar definitely took it to another level against Rueda. I see Valdez as a multi-weight champ, possibly as high as 140. I also predict he will join Crawford as a top 5 P4Per in another 2 years or so.

I will go so far as to say I'm anticipating a future showdown at 130 or 135 between Lomachenko & Valdez. If he continues to develop his awesome potential I give Oscar a realistic chance to beat Loma.

Reece_D wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:Terrance Crawford deserves all the credit he's getting for soundly defeating Postol in his first PPV event and he clearly proved he's a P4P star. But to me, Oscar Valdez winning his first world title in the fight before was most impressive part of the night. I don't want to get too dramatic here but this kid displayed tools unlike anything i've seen in a long time. Great speed and power in both hands? Good looking kid that speaks fluent English and Spanish with a great smile? This kid is going to take boxing by storm and I think that he'll give Loma and LSC all they can handle (even though Loma beat him in amateurs, this is the pro's).

Are you as excited as i man about this kid or do i need to check myself?

I think there's definitely a right to be excited about Oscar's future but I'm still not going overboard yet. Yes he showed great skills in this fight and in the past and puts on a show while doing it but he still hasn't had that one opponent where you know he's going to be tested. Rueda was a complete unknown with a padded record, Gradovich has never been impressive to me. Oscar has been brought through well and although he is champion there is still no need to rush him. the WBO top looks very weak and so he can still have a couple of gimme fights in the mean time before he starts being put in with the other top guys in the division or headlining his own shows. I would favour Russel jnr and Lomachenko if he come back to down to beat Oscar now.

I can't argue with that review. I tend to get over excited about some young talent after seeing them a couple of times. There just seems to be something a little bit different about this kid. Loma and Russell Jr should be favorites on the books if a fight took place now but I'd be very interested to see what prevails, Valdez's power or Loma/Rjr's speed. The only knock on Valdez that i could see is that he throw's every punch at the same speed and does have a lot of misses with big right hands that a more seasoned boxer would take advantage of. He has a lot of swing and misses. But those body shots he used to get the KO over Rueda were short bursts of power that I don't know how you defend against. Either way, it could be blind excitement but I just have a feeling about this kid.

Best Coast wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:Terrance Crawford deserves all the credit he's getting for soundly defeating Postol in his first PPV event and he clearly proved he's a P4P star. But to me, Oscar Valdez winning his first world title in the fight before was most impressive part of the night. I don't want to get too dramatic here but this kid displayed tools unlike anything i've seen in a long time. Great speed and power in both hands? Good looking kid that speaks fluent English and Spanish with a great smile? This kid is going to take boxing by storm and I think that he'll give Loma and LSC all they can handle (even though Loma beat him in amateurs, this is the pro's).

Are you as excited as i man about this kid or do i need to check myself?

I was feeling the same way a few fights ago but Oscar definitely took it to another level against Rueda. I see Valdez as a multi-weight champ, possibly as high as 140. I also predict he will join Crawford as a top 5 P4Per in another 2 years or so.

I will go so far as to say I'm anticipating a future showdown at 130 or 135 between Lomachenko & Valdez. If he continues to develop his awesome potential I give Oscar a realistic chance to beat Loma.

I'm with you buddy. There's something so unique about him. Rueda may be unknown but you could tell that kid had some serious power but Valdez just walked right through him. The fight before, he made Gradovich look like a novice and he's proved to be a pretty solid professional. His two last fights stole both shows he was on. I don't think it's silly to feel the way we do but i can also see how people want to off with skepticism. Not me though. I'm all in with this kid. Top 5 P4P within 2 years is a great prediction by you and i agree.

Wathced the last fight of Oscar and can say that yes, this kid is amazing. But he has poor chances at 130 or 135 against Lomachenko. Vasyl looks like potential dominator of those divisions. But I think "Hi-Tech" needs such strong opponents like Valdez. I hope this fight will be.

caldo2025 wrote:

Reece_D wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:Terrance Crawford deserves all the credit he's getting for soundly defeating Postol in his first PPV event and he clearly proved he's a P4P star. But to me, Oscar Valdez winning his first world title in the fight before was most impressive part of the night. I don't want to get too dramatic here but this kid displayed tools unlike anything i've seen in a long time. Great speed and power in both hands? Good looking kid that speaks fluent English and Spanish with a great smile? This kid is going to take boxing by storm and I think that he'll give Loma and LSC all they can handle (even though Loma beat him in amateurs, this is the pro's).

Are you as excited as i man about this kid or do i need to check myself?

I think there's definitely a right to be excited about Oscar's future but I'm still not going overboard yet. Yes he showed great skills in this fight and in the past and puts on a show while doing it but he still hasn't had that one opponent where you know he's going to be tested. Rueda was a complete unknown with a padded record, Gradovich has never been impressive to me. Oscar has been brought through well and although he is champion there is still no need to rush him. the WBO top looks very weak and so he can still have a couple of gimme fights in the mean time before he starts being put in with the other top guys in the division or headlining his own shows. I would favour Russel jnr and Lomachenko if he come back to down to beat Oscar now.

I can't argue with that review. I tend to get over excited about some young talent after seeing them a couple of times. There just seems to be something a little bit different about this kid. Loma and Russell Jr should be favorites on the books if a fight took place now but I'd be very interested to see what prevails, Valdez's power or Loma/Rjr's speed. The only knock on Valdez that i could see is that he throw's every punch at the same speed and does have a lot of misses with big right hands that a more seasoned boxer would take advantage of. He has a lot of swing and misses. But those body shots he used to get the KO over Rueda were short bursts of power that I don't know how you defend against. Either way, it could be blind excitement but I just have a feeling about this kid.

I hear you. I hope he is the real deal and continues on his impressive run but I just don't think he's ready for the top yet. I know amateur and professionals are completely different and was a long time ago but have you seen Oscar vs Lomachenko on youtube? Loma completely schools him to the point its quite embarrassing with how much he's made to miss. Oscar should avoid Loma for a while. would love to see him come over to the UK though and take on Selby, I think that's very winnable fight at this stage. However I fell TR will give him some soft touches to let him build up a fan base and hype up fights between him , Deigo De La Hoya & Jo Jo Diaz in the future.

Wicked body shots.

caldo2025 wrote:Terrance Crawford deserves all the credit he's getting for soundly defeating Postol in his first PPV event and he clearly proved he's a P4P star.

Want to say some words about ex-champion Viktor Postol.
Postol never been a star. In amateurs he always took second or third places for Ukraine and missed Olympics which was so desired for him. But dreams come true and Viktor won the belt in his pro-career. He isn't talanted guy. He just belived, worked hard and did his best. I think Postol deserves for respect, because he showed us that he doesn't afraid of anybody and never gives up. I'm sure "Iceman" can make some problems to many others boxers at 140, because he has not bad combination of qualities such as good height and reach, hard chin & high fighting spirit. Crowford just a special one fighter at this weight (like Lomachenko at 130).

caldo2025 wrote: This kid is going to take boxing by storm and I think that he'll give Loma and LSC all they can handle (even though Loma beat him in amateurs, this is the pro's).

Are you as excited as i man about this kid or do i need to check myself?

On my mind is no big difference between amateurs and professionals for so various, skilled and expirienced boxers like Lomachenko.
I don't realy think that Oscar wants to feel all Lomachenko punches in another gloves and without helmet :)

Did you watch "Vasyl Lomachenko: The Tricks" on youtube? You must, if you didn't do it yet. This is a peak of boxing art. Very good videoanalysis by Lee Wylie

Yep I saw him sparring with Selby and Lee struggled - yes sparring means nowt (a weight difference too) but regardless I remember thinking this Valdez looks the business.

Valdez is the goods his punching power is legit i see the kid dominating for a long time and a possible super fight down the road with loma.

MaxiBoxc wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:Terrance Crawford deserves all the credit he's getting for soundly defeating Postol in his first PPV event and he clearly proved he's a P4P star.

Want to say some words about ex-champion Viktor Postol.
Postol never been a star. In amateurs he always took second or third places for Ukraine and missed Olympics which was so desired for him. But dreams come true and Viktor won the belt in his pro-career. He isn't talanted guy. He just belived, worked hard and did his best. I think Postol deserves for respect, because he showed us that he doesn't afraid of anybody and never gives up. I'm sure "Iceman" can make some problems to many others boxers at 140, because he has not bad combination of qualities such as good height and reach, hard chin & high fighting spirit. Crowford just a special one fighter at this weight (like Lomachenko at 130).

caldo2025 wrote: This kid is going to take boxing by storm and I think that he'll give Loma and LSC all they can handle (even though Loma beat him in amateurs, this is the pro's).

Are you as excited as i man about this kid or do i need to check myself?

On my mind is no big difference between amateurs and professionals for so various, skilled and expirienced boxers like Lomachenko.
I don't realy think that Oscar wants to feel all Lomachenko punches in another gloves and without helmet :)

Did you watch "Vasyl Lomachenko: The Tricks" on youtube? You must, if you didn't do it yet. This is a peak of boxing art. Very good videoanalysis by Lee Wylie

Is loma skilled yes

Is loma a puncher-not really yes he stopped Martinez but has struggled to even hurt other ordinary fighters.

Valdez is legit puncher when he lands he hurts.

If anyone should be worried about feeling the others power now with smaller gloves its Loma.

kidbazooka1 wrote:

MaxiBoxc wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:Terrance Crawford deserves all the credit he's getting for soundly defeating Postol in his first PPV event and he clearly proved he's a P4P star.

Want to say some words about ex-champion Viktor Postol.
Postol never been a star. In amateurs he always took second or third places for Ukraine and missed Olympics which was so desired for him. But dreams come true and Viktor won the belt in his pro-career. He isn't talanted guy. He just belived, worked hard and did his best. I think Postol deserves for respect, because he showed us that he doesn't afraid of anybody and never gives up. I'm sure "Iceman" can make some problems to many others boxers at 140, because he has not bad combination of qualities such as good height and reach, hard chin & high fighting spirit. Crowford just a special one fighter at this weight (like Lomachenko at 130).

caldo2025 wrote: This kid is going to take boxing by storm and I think that he'll give Loma and LSC all they can handle (even though Loma beat him in amateurs, this is the pro's).

Are you as excited as i man about this kid or do i need to check myself?

On my mind is no big difference between amateurs and professionals for so various, skilled and expirienced boxers like Lomachenko.
I don't realy think that Oscar wants to feel all Lomachenko punches in another gloves and without helmet :)

Did you watch "Vasyl Lomachenko: The Tricks" on youtube? You must, if you didn't do it yet. This is a peak of boxing art. Very good videoanalysis by Lee Wylie

Is loma skilled yes

Is loma a puncher-not really yes he stopped Martinez but has struggled to even hurt other ordinary fighters.

Valdez is legit puncher when he lands he hurts.

If anyone should be worried about feeling the others power now with smaller gloves its Loma.

Firstly: Loma fought at his native category only one time - with Roman Martinez.
Secondly: Loma has a very good punch, but he doesn't use it often, because he boxing in another style. He boxing easy, various and smart.
And thirdly: do you know how ended three Vasyl's last fights? Vasyl in the best shape during his career now and he is in his native category. He can outclass everybody here. Especially the fighter who was once outclassed by Vasyl in the past (with score 1-12).
You don't understand real Loma's level, if you think that Oscar can win against him only with speed and good punch.
He can't, because "Hi-Tech" has more options.
I don't mean that Valdez has no chances - everybody has a chance. But Vasyl has all chances at once, if you know what I mean.


Did you know how many good experienced olympians became the best in their divisions?
GGG (345-5), Rigo (400-8), Klitschko (137-3), Kovalev (193-22), Ward (114-5), Thurman (101-16), Roman Gonzalez (88-0) etc.
Vasyl Lomachenko has the best amateur record ever. I think it means something too.

Loma has hurt every opponent he's faced, and for the most part has been in with much better opposition than Valdez (whose first 15 bouts or so were against clubfighters). Who is the best opponent Valdez beat? Shot Gradovich who was scraping by nobodies with MD's and SD's? Avalos? Predictably kidbazooka showers Valdez with praise despite having constantly criticized Loma....funny how this guy harps about bias on this forum, when he shows it all the time.

As for the last win, Rueda has a very padded record and was already hurt/dropped by several weak opponents, so I'm not really getting excited too excited about it. Valdez is good and I've thought he'd make a top pro since seeing him in the amateurs, but I think he's facing the type of opponents that a lot of guys could dominate. Loma is a master of negating speed and I think Valdez would struggle to land if they fought, much as was the case a few years ago.

crusader wrote:Loma has hurt every opponent he's faced, and for the most part has been in with much better opposition than Valdez (whose first 15 bouts or so were against clubfighters). Who is the best opponent Valdez beat? Shot Gradovich?

Exactly! Salido in the second fight, Russel in the third... this is craziness!

MaxiBoxc wrote:

crusader wrote:Loma has hurt every opponent he's faced, and for the most part has been in with much better opposition than Valdez (whose first 15 bouts or so were against clubfighters). Who is the best opponent Valdez beat? Shot Gradovich?

Exactly! Salido in the second fight, Russel in the third... this is craziness!

Loma barely hurt Salido who has been down and hurt far worse by other fighters.

Look both Valdez and Loma are excellent boxer punchers, loma is a lil better skill wise but Valdez can hit a lil better. No need to go googop gaga loma, or whats next you guys are gonna say how flawless skin loma has?

Is loma good yes but don't get offended when someone doesn't agree with you're nuthuggery.

The guy also has his flaws and it showed when Salido whooped him.

No need to get butthurt like i said Loma is good but not perfect if he was he wouldn't have had that L on his record.

kidbazooka1 wrote:

MaxiBoxc wrote:

crusader wrote:Loma has hurt every opponent he's faced, and for the most part has been in with much better opposition than Valdez (whose first 15 bouts or so were against clubfighters). Who is the best opponent Valdez beat? Shot Gradovich?

Exactly! Salido in the second fight, Russel in the third... this is craziness!

Loma barely hurt Salido who has been down and hurt far worse by other fighters.

Look both Valdez and Loma are excellent boxer punchers, loma is a lil better skill wise but Valdez can hit a lil better. No need to go googop gaga loma, or whats next you guys are gonna say how flawless skin loma has?

Is loma good yes but don't get offended when someone doesn't agree with you're nuthuggery.

The guy also has his flaws and it showed when Salido whooped him.

No need to get butthurt like i said Loma is good but not perfect if he was he wouldn't have had that L on his record.

You really love Mexicans.

jockpunk wrote:

kidbazooka1 wrote:

MaxiBoxc wrote: Exactly! Salido in the second fight, Russel in the third... this is craziness!

Loma barely hurt Salido who has been down and hurt far worse by other fighters.

Look both Valdez and Loma are excellent boxer punchers, loma is a lil better skill wise but Valdez can hit a lil better. No need to go googop gaga loma, or whats next you guys are gonna say how flawless skin loma has?

Is loma good yes but don't get offended when someone doesn't agree with you're nuthuggery.

The guy also has his flaws and it showed when Salido whooped him.

No need to get butthurt like i said Loma is good but not perfect if he was he wouldn't have had that L on his record.

You really love Mexicans.

I really enjoy good fighters that are not waaaaay over hyped by board members.

Floyd, Manny those guys were beloved my many and hated aswell but deserved all the praise for there accomplishments so i can see why they had legions of fans.

Loma is good but just getting started but you wouldn't know that by the enormous nutthuggery that goes on around here.

Let the guy beat great fighters before acting like the guy is perfect, so far Loma has lost to the best fighter he's faced so lets slow things down a bit.

Am i a fan of Valdez yes but you don't hear half the forum going crazy over his every move like Loma.

You make me smile. :)
I see you love mexican fighters and have wishful thinking.

kidbazooka1 wrote: The guy also has his flaws and it showed when Salido whooped him.

No need to get butthurt like i said Loma is good but not perfect if he was he wouldn't have had that L on his record.

Vasyl was whooped by the referee and judges, not by Salido. "Siri" with his circa 40 low blows and huge overweight was outboxed in that fight... but "won".
This happenstance will be correct in the rematch this year and no one can't help Salido this time, because Loma is in the much better shape.

Vasyl already was in the same situation at amateurs when he beat Albert Selimov, but judges took away his win. Than Lomachenko returned and beat Selimov twice without any chances. He proved it was a happenstance. And he will prove it once more, because the difference of levels allows this to him.

kidbazooka1 wrote:
Is loma good yes but don't get offended when someone doesn't agree with you're nuthuggery.

I gave you only cold reasons and you have nothing to say in substance. Don't get offended when someone doesn't agree with you ;)

MaxiBoxc wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:Terrance Crawford deserves all the credit he's getting for soundly defeating Postol in his first PPV event and he clearly proved he's a P4P star.

Want to say some words about ex-champion Viktor Postol.
Postol never been a star. In amateurs he always took second or third places for Ukraine and missed Olympics which was so desired for him. But dreams come true and Viktor won the belt in his pro-career. He isn't talanted guy. He just belived, worked hard and did his best. I think Postol deserves for respect, because he showed us that he doesn't afraid of anybody and never gives up. I'm sure "Iceman" can make some problems to many others boxers at 140, because he has not bad combination of qualities such as good height and reach, hard chin & high fighting spirit. Crowford just a special one fighter at this weight (like Lomachenko at 130).

caldo2025 wrote: This kid is going to take boxing by storm and I think that he'll give Loma and LSC all they can handle (even though Loma beat him in amateurs, this is the pro's).

Are you as excited as i man about this kid or do i need to check myself?

On my mind is no big difference between amateurs and professionals for so various, skilled and expirienced boxers like Lomachenko.
I don't realy think that Oscar wants to feel all Lomachenko punches in another gloves and without helmet :)

Did you watch "Vasyl Lomachenko: The Tricks" on youtube? You must, if you didn't do it yet. This is a peak of boxing art. Very good videoanalysis by Lee Wylie

Like most people, i'm very impressed with Loma's skills and look forward to his career. But I think that an amateur fight between he and Valdez 7 years ago means next to nothing. Oscar was 17/18 years old and scrawny (Loma was 21). The only value I see out of a 3 round fight with pillows on their hands 7 years ago is a storyline that could be developed and sold by Arum. Other than that, I don't see how anyone can draw a conclusion of any kind from that fight. Sorry.

Thanks for the video heads up. I'm going to check it out.

I would love to see him fight santa cruz assuming he gets by Frampton which I think he will. Not sure if valdez is quite ready for it, but I think it would be an exciting fight. A fight with JoJo Diaz would be interesting as well but probably not for a year or two.