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for belfast ?

dickbelden wrote:for belfast ?

Santa Cruz would be mad to have the rematch in Ireland unless the judge's are deaf or are made to wear hear muff's

No.

Basically because i can't see Santa Cruz leaving the states. Lots of successful American fighters don't want to leave their home country.

It would be much easier for his financial backers to entice Lee Selby over for big money.

He is a Hispanic fighter and that's a big advantage. He has a big following, much bigger than Russell Jr. and practically nobody outside of the U.K. Has ever heard of Selby. So money wished I think yes

I can only see a rematch in America.
It would take a lot of money to get LSC in Belfast.

PredatorHayds wrote:It would take a lot of money to get LSC in Belfast.

Why would it? LSC is now the one who has to do the chasing.

Carl has the belt, he is the Champion - how can LSC demand big money if he wants the fight?

I think it is infinitely more likely that it would take major bucks to get Carl back over to America again...

Crease wrote:

PredatorHayds wrote:It would take a lot of money to get LSC in Belfast.

Why would it? LSC is now the one who has to do the chasing.

Carl has the belt, he is the Champion - how can LSC demand big money if he wants the fight?

I think it is infinitely more likely that it would take major bucks to get Carl back over to America again...

Frampton doesn't have the promotional firepower to entice LSC over.

Putting on a fight in Belfast of this magnitude is near impossible due to venues and costs etc.

Hence the reason Quigg going over there wasn't a real possibility.

Vegas would of been watching Saturday and I bet they fancy that Frampton could draw a big Irish crowd on the west coast.
I see Vegas as a huge possibility.

Crease wrote:

PredatorHayds wrote:It would take a lot of money to get LSC in Belfast.

Why would it? LSC is now the one who has to do the chasing.

Carl has the belt, he is the Champion - how can LSC demand big money if he wants the fight?

I think it is infinitely more likely that it would take major bucks to get Carl back over to America again...

Come on bro. Don't start with any who should chase who in today's boxing.
It's totally based on some other shit.

Rather see Santa Cruz/Russell Jr. and Frampton/Selby next ... winners must fight ... in Belfast if Frampton wins.

PredatorHayds wrote:Frampton doesn't have the promotional firepower to entice LSC over.

Both fighters are promoted by AL Hymon. So their clout is basically much the same.

Crease wrote:

PredatorHayds wrote:Frampton doesn't have the promotional firepower to entice LSC over.

Both fighters are promoted by AL Hymon. So their clout is basically much the same.

He hasn't done a show outside the states.
His other UK fighters have ties to Matchroom aswell.
If he put on a UK show I doubt cyclone would do a promotion with Matchroom again.
Where in Belfast would you stage it? No suitable venues.
The fight doesn't make sense in this country.

PredatorHayds wrote:

Crease wrote:

PredatorHayds wrote:Frampton doesn't have the promotional firepower to entice LSC over.

Both fighters are promoted by AL Hymon. So their clout is basically much the same.

He hasn't done a show outside the states.
His other UK fighters have ties to Matchroom aswell.
If he put on a UK show I doubt cyclone would do a promotion with Matchroom again.
Where in Belfast would you stage it? No suitable venues.
The fight doesn't make sense in this country.

Frampton could sell out a stadium in Belfast no problem. He said he it's his dream to fight at Landsdowne Road and you also have the Crusaders home ground who he supports and has connections within the club. Only problem is weather really. For a big stadium fight you'd be looking at next summer now I'd imagine.

Stuarty30 wrote:

PredatorHayds wrote:

Crease wrote: Both fighters are promoted by AL Hymon. So their clout is basically much the same.

He hasn't done a show outside the states.
His other UK fighters have ties to Matchroom aswell.
If he put on a UK show I doubt cyclone would do a promotion with Matchroom again.
Where in Belfast would you stage it? No suitable venues.
The fight doesn't make sense in this country.

Frampton could sell out a stadium in Belfast no problem. He said he it's his dream to fight at Landsdowne Road and you also have the Crusaders home ground who he supports and has connections within the club. Only problem is weather really. For a big stadium fight you'd be looking at next summer now I'd imagine.

Exactly and the lucrative rematch might not be available next summer.
The fight makes perfect sense in either New York, La or Vegas.
When you have two popular fighters it's pointless by alienating one set of fans.
There's not a huge Mexican contingent in Ireland and travels unlikely.
I think Frampton sells in America. Proven on the east coast and I'd bet he'd do good numbers in Vegas.
Don't forget the Santa Cruz-Mares fight was the most watched fight on USA tv for 15 years.

PredatorHayds wrote:

Stuarty30 wrote:

PredatorHayds wrote: He hasn't done a show outside the states.
His other UK fighters have ties to Matchroom aswell.
If he put on a UK show I doubt cyclone would do a promotion with Matchroom again.
Where in Belfast would you stage it? No suitable venues.
The fight doesn't make sense in this country.

Frampton could sell out a stadium in Belfast no problem. He said he it's his dream to fight at Landsdowne Road and you also have the Crusaders home ground who he supports and has connections within the club. Only problem is weather really. For a big stadium fight you'd be looking at next summer now I'd imagine.

Exactly and the lucrative rematch might not be available next summer.
The fight makes perfect sense in either New York, La or Vegas.
When you have two popular fighters it's pointless by alienating one set of fans.
There's not a huge Mexican contingent in Ireland and travels unlikely.
I think Frampton sells in America. Proven on the east coast and I'd bet he'd do good numbers in Vegas.
Don't forget the Santa Cruz-Mares fight was the most watched fight on USA tv for 15 years.

From a selfish point of view I'd rather see it in Belfast so I had the possibility of going lol. But you're right I think Vegas makes perfect sense for any rematch. You would get a large travelling British and Irish support in Vegas and it would do good numbers. Good earner and makes sense for both fighters.

Same here. I'd love it to be in Belfast. Gutted its not viable.
Selby in Belfast though is possible and huge.

PredatorHayds wrote:If he put on a UK show I doubt cyclone would do a promotion with Matchroom again.
Where in Belfast would you stage it? No suitable venues.
The fight doesn't make sense in this country.

I'd suggest that Dublin has more than enough venues, including Croke Park (82,000) capacity.

Stuarty30 wrote:He said he it's his dream to fight at Landsdowne Road and you also have the Crusaders home ground who he supports and has connections within the club.

Think you mean Windsor Park Stu, Northern Ireland's home ground.

Seaview (The Crues pitch) wouldn't be big enough really.

Crease wrote:

Stuarty30 wrote:He said he it's his dream to fight at Landsdowne Road and you also have the Crusaders home ground who he supports and has connections within the club.

Think you mean Windsor Park Stu, Northern Ireland's home ground.

Seaview (The Crues pitch) wouldn't be big enough really.

I do mate Cheers. I knew that didn't sound right

Stuarty30 wrote:From a selfish point of view I'd rather see it in Belfast so I had the possibility of going lol. But you're right I think Vegas makes perfect sense for any rematch. You would get a large travelling British and Irish support in Vegas and it would do good numbers. Good earner and makes sense for both fighters.

No buddy, you are wrong, f*** Vegas.

The rematch should be in the best environment that provides the best revenue. Both should be considered.
Somewhere in the UK area or Staples Center.

Now that British fighters are taking over, they should start offering bigger purses and stage fights in the UK on the UK time schedule.
Fact - Americans will stop at any time of the day past 11 am to watch sports. 4-6pm EST wouldn't be a killer. Some of the highest rated sporting events every year occur during that same time slot.

Really hyped the GGG fight is going to be in the UK.
Even though you guys set a new standard of cheating and favoring hometown fighters.

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:

Stuarty30 wrote:From a selfish point of view I'd rather see it in Belfast so I had the possibility of going lol. But you're right I think Vegas makes perfect sense for any rematch. You would get a large travelling British and Irish support in Vegas and it would do good numbers. Good earner and makes sense for both fighters.

No buddy, you are wrong, f*** Vegas.

The rematch should be in the best environment that provides the best revenue. Both should be considered.
Somewhere in the UK area or Staples Center.

Now that British fighters are taking over, they should start offering bigger purses and stage fights in the UK on the UK time schedule.
Fact - Americans will stop at any time of the day past 11 am to watch sports. 4-6pm EST wouldn't be a killer. Some of the highest rated sporting events every year occur during that same time slot.

Really hyped the GGG fight is going to be in the UK.
Even though you guys set a new standard of cheating and favoring hometown fighters.

Calm down petal. I don't think I am wrong. The fight would do well in Vegas and probably anywhere else for that matter. I do hope it's over here then I can maybe get to attend. Staying up to stupid o'clock in the morning fuckin kills me nowadays as well.

I to am happy GGG is coming here. It's nice to see fighter of his talent an stature on these shores.

Cheating happens everywhere. It is not a problem exclusive to British boxing BUDDY

It's not a lock because I feel Frampton has enough juice at this point to call the shots against almost anyone within his weight class or thereabouts.
Carl Frampton came out of last weekends fight on top of the world, incredible performance from the man.
He moved up, beat a very credible unbeaten fighter, participated in a barnburner, kept his zero, hardly put a foot wrong and everyone watching came away thrilled.
If anyone vaulted themselves up in the boxing world recently that man is unquestionably Carl Frampton.
He earned it legit, fought hard played fair took a huge chance and came out of it with major respect, Carl deserves everything coming to him good luck to the guy it's a great story and good for us [boxing].

If I'm Frampton, I'm not giving LSC an immediate rematch. He doesn't owe LSC anything. LSC should have enjoyed a home field advantage here but he chose to never fight outside of West Coast. I know that a lot of Irish made the trip but I really believe that Frampton won most of that crowd's love during the fight. He was absolutely fantastic and deserves everything he gets. I was never a Frampton fan but he won me over too during that fight. Super fighter and seems like a great young kid. Now i want to see all of his fights going forward.

caldo2025 wrote:If I'm Frampton, I'm not giving LSC an immediate rematch. He doesn't owe LSC anything. LSC should have enjoyed a home field advantage here but he chose to never fight outside of West Coast. I know that a lot of Irish made the trip but I really believe that Frampton won most of that crowd's love during the fight. He was absolutely fantastic and deserves everything he gets. I was never a Frampton fan but he won me over too during that fight. Super fighter and seems like a great young kid. Now i want to see all of his fights going forward.

He won the crowd in the weeks leading up to the fight.
He got to the east coast a few weeks before fight night and boosted his profile in the Irish community hard.

PredatorHayds wrote:

Stuarty30 wrote:

PredatorHayds wrote: He hasn't done a show outside the states.
His other UK fighters have ties to Matchroom aswell.
If he put on a UK show I doubt cyclone would do a promotion with Matchroom again.
Where in Belfast would you stage it? No suitable venues.
The fight doesn't make sense in this country.

Frampton could sell out a stadium in Belfast no problem. He said he it's his dream to fight at Landsdowne Road and you also have the Crusaders home ground who he supports and has connections within the club. Only problem is weather really. For a big stadium fight you'd be looking at next summer now I'd imagine.

Exactly and the lucrative rematch might not be available next summer.
The fight makes perfect sense in either New York, La or Vegas.
When you have two popular fighters it's pointless by alienating one set of fans.
There's not a huge Mexican contingent in Ireland and travels unlikely.
I think Frampton sells in America. Proven on the east coast and I'd bet he'd do good numbers in Vegas.



Don't forget the Santa Cruz-Mares fight was the most watched fight on USA tv for 15 years.

Really? Fuckinell

PredatorHayds wrote:

caldo2025 wrote:If I'm Frampton, I'm not giving LSC an immediate rematch. He doesn't owe LSC anything. LSC should have enjoyed a home field advantage here but he chose to never fight outside of West Coast. I know that a lot of Irish made the trip but I really believe that Frampton won most of that crowd's love during the fight. He was absolutely fantastic and deserves everything he gets. I was never a Frampton fan but he won me over too during that fight. Super fighter and seems like a great young kid. Now i want to see all of his fights going forward.

He won the crowd in the weeks leading up to the fight.
He got to the east coast a few weeks before fight night and boosted his profile in the Irish community hard.

When they walked into the ring, I was unimpressed by Frampton's reception honestly. I thought for sure that the crowd would be all over him. But as the fight drew on, the fans seemed to come to Framptons end of the ring. And for good reason, the kid is a class act all the way around. I'm not Irish at all but you really can't ask for a better ambassador for the country. Screw Conor and his antics. Though i'm also a fan of Conor, I'd want my kids to follow Crawfords lead instead. Just a great kid and i'm happy for him.

I think Carl will look to at least one unification fight before considering a LSC rematch. Maybe Valdez could be lured over to Belfast in November followed by Selby at the MEN next spring. In the meantime if LSC can beat a top ranked opponent then a stadium fight in Belfast next summer makes sense.