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1. (1.) Tyson Fury
2. (3.) Carl Frampton
3. (2.) James DeGale
4. (4.) Kell Brook
5. (5.) Amir Khan
6. (6.) Lee Selby
7. (7.) Jamie McDonnell
8. (8.) George Groves
9. (9.) Tony Bellew
10. (10.) Billy Joe Saunders

11. (12.) Terry Flanagan
12. (11.) Scott Quigg
13. (13.) Ricky Burns
14. (14.) Anthony Crolla
15. (15.) Martin Murray
16. (16.) Chris Eubank Jr.
17. (17.) Callum Smith
18. (18.) Anthony Joshua
19. (19.) Lee Haskins
20. (20.) Andy Lee (Irish)

21. (21.) Ola Afolabi
22. (22.) Ovill McKenzie
23. (23.) Nathan Cleverly
24. (26.) Josh Warrington
25. (RE.) Luke Campbell
26. (NE.) Tyrone Nurse
27. (24.) Bradley Skeete
28. (25.) Stuart Hall
29. (NE.) Liam Williams
30. (27.) David Haye

Out - (28.) Liam Walsh
Out - (29.) Liam Smith
Out - (30.) Matthew Macklin

Any comments/criticisms of the British Top 30 P4P list are very welcome.

Frampton should be number one. How can you ditch Walsh and Smith but have Haye there? Afolabi has retired. Khan and Murray too high.

Stuarty30 wrote:Frampton should be number one.

I'd tend to agree with that. Fury is up there mostly on the basis of his victory over Klitchsko, but Frampton has just beaten a guy on the top 15 P4P list (I'd say) and he had another smashing win before that.

I don't see how any British (or Irish) fighter could be up there ahead of Carl at the moment.

Stuarty30 wrote:Frampton should be number one. How can you ditch Walsh and Smith but have Haye there? Afolabi has retired. Khan and Murray too high.

Fury did beat someone that was widely recognised as number 3 p4p. Liam Smith is too low surely, OK his resume is weak but he is a world champion and surely shouldn't be below the likes of Nurse, Skeete .................

Horse wrote:Out - (29.) Liam Smith

How is Beefy out? I'm surprised at that, he's been fighting fairly regularly, is a reigning World Champion and has been knocking his challengers out convincingly.

Think there's definitely a lack of respect there, Mr Horse.

Stuarty30 wrote:Frampton should be number one. How can you ditch Walsh and Smith but have Haye there? Afolabi has retired. Khan and Murray too high.

Frampton is not the true champion in his weight division, Fury is.

Walsh and Smith haven't been doing much recently and neither has stepped above domestic level yet.

Afolabi will probably be taken out next month.

I don't think either Khan or Murray are too high.

Crease wrote:I'd tend to agree with that. Fury is up there mostly on the basis of his victory over Klitchsko, but Frampton has just beaten a guy on the top 15 P4P list (I'd say) and he had another smashing win before that.

I don't see how any British (or Irish) fighter could be up there ahead of Carl at the moment.

Fury is the undisputed champion and Frampton isn't.

Klitschko is a much bigger win than Santa Cruz.

Horse wrote:

Stuarty30 wrote:Frampton should be number one. How can you ditch Walsh and Smith but have Haye there? Afolabi has retired. Khan and Murray too high.

Frampton is not the true champion in his weight division, Fury is.

Walsh and Smith haven't been doing much recently and neither has stepped above domestic level yet.

Afolabi will probably be taken out next month.

I don't think either Khan or Murray are too high.

Just because he doesn't have all the belts doesn't mean he's not the best does it? It's definitely open to interpretation at least. Framptons win for me is every bit as impressive as Furys over Wlad when you take everything into consideration.

If Walsh and Smith haven't been doing anything recently then why is Haye and the retired Afolabi in there. You also have a few more in there who haven't fought beyond domestic level.

Khan and Murray are always too high

Horse wrote:

Crease wrote:I'd tend to agree with that. Fury is up there mostly on the basis of his victory over Klitchsko, but Frampton has just beaten a guy on the top 15 P4P list (I'd say) and he had another smashing win before that.

I don't see how any British (or Irish) fighter could be up there ahead of Carl at the moment.

Fury is the undisputed champion and Frampton isn't.

Klitschko is a much bigger win than Santa Cruz.

I'd say that's disputable, given that Wlad is pushing 40, I'd say there's at least grounds for debate. LSC was a 3 weight champion. Frampton's career overall, the win over Wlad notwithstanding is more impressive.

jamesmcdonnell wrote:

Horse wrote:

Crease wrote:I'd tend to agree with that. Fury is up there mostly on the basis of his victory over Klitchsko, but Frampton has just beaten a guy on the top 15 P4P list (I'd say) and he had another smashing win before that.

I don't see how any British (or Irish) fighter could be up there ahead of Carl at the moment.

Fury is the undisputed champion and Frampton isn't.

Klitschko is a much bigger win than Santa Cruz.

I'd say that's disputable, given that Wlad is pushing 40, I'd say there's at least grounds for debate. LSC was a 3 weight champion. Frampton's career overall, the win over Wlad notwithstanding is more impressive.

Agree

Ian1973 wrote:Fury did beat someone that was widely recognised as number 3 p4p. Liam Smith is too low surely, OK his resume is weak but he is a world champion and surely shouldn't be below the likes of Nurse, Skeete .................

Liam Smith is the least credible world champion in boxing. His title means very little.

Nurse and Skeete have better records.

Crease wrote:

How is Beefy out? I'm surprised at that, he's been fighting fairly regularly, is a reigning World Champion and has been knocking his challengers out convincingly.

Think there's definitely a lack of respect there, Mr Horse.

Why should I respect him?

His opposition wouldn't even be good for a British or Commonwealth champion.

Horse wrote:Why should I respect him?

His opposition wouldn't even be good for a British or Commonwealth champion.

Well that is subjective & maybe another conversation entirely.

The fact remains however, that he is still a World Champion at Light Middleweight.

Horse wrote:Fury is the undisputed champion

No he is not.

He is, rightfully, ranked as The Number One Heavyweight in the world - but that does not autimatically make him "The Undisputed Champion".


The term "Undisputed" actually means that a fighter has to hold all 4 World Titles simultaneously.

And the last guy to do that was Jermain Taylor back when he beat Bernard Hopkins for the 4 titles.

Frampton one by a distance.

No one even close to him at the moment p4p

Joshua and Crolla are far too low, whilst as usual Khan is far too high. 5th?? When did he last beat a top quality opponent? Devon Aleksander was shot to pieces.

forcefraser wrote:Joshua and Crolla are far too low, whilst as usual Khan is far too high. 5th?? When did he last beat a top quality opponent? Devon Aleksander was shot to pieces.

X2

Stuarty30 wrote:Just because he doesn't have all the belts doesn't mean he's not the best does it? It's definitely open to interpretation at least. Framptons win for me is every bit as impressive as Furys over Wlad when you take everything into consideration.

Santa Cruz is a good fighter, but his record is pretty lacking to be comparing him to Klitschko.

Santa Cruz might go on to build an excellent record, but he's really nothing special at the moment.

Frampton has no real claim to being the featherweight champion. Hopefully he goes on to become the undisputed champion, but he's not there yet.

Stuarty30 wrote:If Walsh and Smith haven't been doing anything recently then why is Haye and the retired Afolabi in there. You also have a few more in there who have not fought beyond domestic level.

Afolabi and Haye have both shown themselves to be world class in the past.

Walsh and Smith haven't ventured much higher than English title level yet and I think them both dropping out this month is fair.

Stuarty30 wrote:Khan and Murray are always too high

Khan and Murray both have very good records and deserve far more respect than they get.

Horse wrote:

Stuarty30 wrote:Just because he doesn't have all the belts doesn't mean he's not the best does it? It's definitely open to interpretation at least. Framptons win for me is every bit as impressive as Furys over Wlad when you take everything into consideration.

Santa Cruz is a good fighter, but his record is pretty lacking to be comparing him to Klitschko.

Santa Cruz might go on to build an excellent record, but he's really nothing special at the moment.

Frampton has no real claim to being the featherweight champion. Hopefully he goes on to become the undisputed champion, but he's not there yet.

Stuarty30 wrote:If Walsh and Smith haven't been doing anything recently then why is Haye and the retired Afolabi in there. You also have a few more in there who have not fought beyond domestic level.

Afolabi and Haye have both shown themselves to be world class in the past.

Walsh and Smith haven't ventured much higher than English title level yet and I think them both dropping out this month is fair.

Stuarty30 wrote:Khan and Murray are always too high

Khan and Murray both have very good records and deserve far more respect than they get.

I'm not comparing him to Klitschko. Im just saying when you look at both wins in comparison. LSC is a three weight world champion in his prime and held all the physical advantages over Frampton. He was favourite with most folk. LSC was there to win and it was a classic battle.

Klitschko is nearing the end of his career and dominated a very poor heavyweight division. You're putting Fury as P4P no1 based on one win. He's had one world title fight and Carl has had several. Frampton should be top IMO.

Just think Khan is much too high as he hasn't won a fight for over a year.. he definitely shouldn't have any world champs below him

Horse wrote:Frampton has no real claim to being the featherweight champion.

Really? who would you say holds that accolade at the moment? Which of the 4 Champions?

Because going in to the fight, Leo Santa Cruz was ranked as The Number One Featherweight in the world.

Horse wrote:

Stuarty30 wrote:Just because he doesn't have all the belts doesn't mean he's not the best does it? It's definitely open to interpretation at least. Framptons win for me is every bit as impressive as Furys over Wlad when you take everything into consideration.

Santa Cruz is a good fighter, but his record is pretty lacking to be comparing him to Klitschko.

Santa Cruz might go on to build an excellent record, but he's really nothing special at the moment.

Frampton has no real claim to being the featherweight champion. Hopefully he goes on to become the undisputed champion, but he's not there yet.

Stuarty30 wrote:If Walsh and Smith haven't been doing anything recently then why is Haye and the retired Afolabi in there. You also have a few more in there who have not fought beyond domestic level.

Afolabi and Haye have both shown themselves to be world class in the past.

Walsh and Smith haven't ventured much higher than English title level yet and I think them both dropping out this month is fair.

Stuarty30 wrote:Khan and Murray are always too high

Khan and Murray both have very good records and deserve far more respect than they get.

You're being extremely disrespectful to both Smith and Walsh. Both are undefeated former British champions and far beyond domestic level never mind English title level FFS! They are far more accomplished than the likes of Skeete (no disrespect).

Murray and Khan do deserve respect but they're not as good as you like to make out.

Just checked the Featherweight rankings, BoxRec have LSC ranked 3rd... Though he was 2nd yesterday?

jamesmcdonnell wrote:I'd say that's disputable, given that Wlad is pushing 40, I'd say there's at least grounds for debate. LSC was a 3 weight champion. Frampton's career overall, the win over Wlad notwithstanding is more impressive.

I don't think Frampton's overall record is much stronger than Fury's. The Martinez wins are losing credibility at a steady rate.

Overall record is important, but I think that the best result of a fighter's career is perhaps the most important thing.

It is up for debate, but I think the Klitschko win is much bigger than the Santa Cruz win.