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Really have no interest in this fight.

I'll still watch with interest but its clear to see Pac wanted no part of Crawford. shame

If manny feels the need to fight this is a good pick. Crawford would have been a disaster for him and probably forced him back into retirement. I'll watch with interest.

why doesn't anyone have interest in this fight? Vargas's last two fights were very exciting and with the way he comes forward and the way Manny comes forward, this looks like a very nice matchup. This fight shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. Arum will not allow Manny's remaining fights to be with anyone but Top Rank fighters. It was either he or TC and we know that fight needs more time to marinate and November is too soon. They will fight next year, probably May, if Manny beats Vargas.

caldo2025 wrote:why doesn't anyone have interest in this fight? Vargas's last two fights were very exciting and with the way he comes forward and the way Manny comes forward, this looks like a very nice matchup. This fight shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. Arum will not allow Manny's remaining fights to be with anyone but Top Rank fighters. It was either he or TC and we know that fight needs more time to marinate and November is too soon. They will fight next year, probably May, if Manny beats Vargas.

I think because we all wanted to see Pacquiao V Crawford

Naandrew wrote:http://www.BS.com/pacquiao-sel ... 15--107373

Really have no interest in this fight.

You have such little interest you made a thread about it.

It makes sense, Pacquiao looked his best in years vs Bradley 3, but he's at an age where he's in danger of looking real old in his next fight. He'll probably stop Vargas and Bob will throw some money at promoting Pac's curtain call PPV vs Crawford.

Bob Arum has been strongly suggesting that Vargas would be Pacquiao's next opponent for the last two weeks. There's no shock here.

It's a decent bout, but one that Manny should win comfortably.

manny will win definitely but i'll still watch it

Reece_D wrote:I'll still watch with interest but its clear to see Pac wanted no part of Crawford. shame

I love Pacman and Crawford is one very talented young fighter some-one I think could give Pacman trouble but in the end I believe Pacmans experience and class will shine through but like I said I believe Crawford is one hell of a talent at this stage of his career Pacman don't need to be fighting some-one like Crawford who really isn't that well known outside of Boxing circle's the risk/reward ratio aint worth it I believe it would be a much bigger victory if he beat someone like Canelo who is a much much bigger name in sport in general and legacy wise beating Canelo would be on another level Pacman could sail off into the sunset with his legacy cemented for eternity

CanYellow is too big for Pacman... Khan is a big Welterweight, but a guy who can't hit and has no chin, so he was cherry picked.. Pac hasn't scored a KO in 7 years so how's he supposed to be a matchup for CanYellow... Spence is a big Welterweight who can punch. He would be willing to fight CanYellow.

Nothing fight. How much money's enough ffs. He should retire gracefully.

As much crap as Floyd got for fighting Berto, I am surprised that Pacquiao isn't getting any for his choice of opponents. Bradley 3, then Vargas instead of Thurman or Crawford? Definitely taking the safe fights now it seems. Double standards and hypocrisy. Why even keep fighting if he isn't going to test himself against the best welterweights, or even the best Junior welterweight? Hell, I would rather see him vs Khan than this fight. Vargas was dominated by the guy Pac just beat fairly easily. I hope the cherry pick backfires.

Badhusker wrote:As much crap as Floyd got for fighting Berto, I am surprised that Pacquiao isn't getting any for his choice of opponents. Bradley 3, then Vargas instead of Thurman or Crawford? Definitely taking the safe fights now it seems. Double standards and hypocrisy. Why even keep fighting if he isn't going to test himself against the best welterweights, or even the best Junior welterweight? Hell, I would rather see him vs Khan than this fight. Vargas was dominated by the guy Pac just beat fairly easily. I hope the cherry pick backfires.

I would certainly prefer Crawford, but Vargas is a belt holder rated #7 by boxrec. Berto is #15 who didn't in any way deserve a shot at Mayweather who had a bunch of Haymon boxers lined up ready to fight him.

I still have hope that Crawford will be in the opposite corner in November.

Arum meeting Pac to finalise next week apparently. Hope Manny turns Vargas down as a opponent.

pacs last 20 fights-
tim bradley
mayweather
chris algeri
tim bradley
brandon rios
j.m marquez
tim bradley
j.m marquez
shane mosely
antonio margarito
joshua clottey
miguel cotto
ricky hatton
de la hoya
david diaz
j.m marquez
m.a barrera
jorge solis
eric morales
oscar larios
dont really think we can complain about vargas can we ?

Badhusker wrote:As much crap as Floyd got for fighting Berto, I am surprised that Pacquiao isn't getting any for his choice of opponents. Bradley 3, then Vargas instead of Thurman or Crawford? Definitely taking the safe fights now it seems. Double standards and hypocrisy. Why even keep fighting if he isn't going to test himself against the best welterweights, or even the best Junior welterweight? Hell, I would rather see him vs Khan than this fight. Vargas was dominated by the guy Pac just beat fairly easily. I hope the cherry pick backfires.

Bradley and Vargas are leagues better than Berto. Bradley hasn't lost to anyone not named Pacquiao. Vargas only lost to Bradley. Berto can't even beat Soto Karras took two tries to beat Ortiz.

Good fight, but considering how sharp he looked against Bradley, Manny is ready for more.

This will get him another "championship" for Floyd to take in May 2017.

Not really interested. I like Manny but this is pretty poor. If it's a farewell fight then fair enough do your own thing. If Floyd pulled this kind of stunt (which he has before) then he'd be getting it tight from all angles!

IKSRTFO wrote:

Badhusker wrote:As much crap as Floyd got for fighting Berto, I am surprised that Pacquiao isn't getting any for his choice of opponents. Bradley 3, then Vargas instead of Thurman or Crawford? Definitely taking the safe fights now it seems. Double standards and hypocrisy. Why even keep fighting if he isn't going to test himself against the best welterweights, or even the best Junior welterweight? Hell, I would rather see him vs Khan than this fight. Vargas was dominated by the guy Pac just beat fairly easily. I hope the cherry pick backfires.

Bradley and Vargas are leagues better than Berto. Bradley hasn't lost to anyone not named Pacquiao. Vargas only lost to Bradley. Berto can't even beat Soto Karras took two tries to beat Ortiz.

The point is he would be fighting the guy that was dominated by Bradley. The 3rd Bradley fight definitely was not necessary. No point to it, other than it being a safe fight.

What is funny is that their first choice was Broner, for Manny's "comeback", but he priced himself out. Tell me now how many leagues ahead Broner is than Berto? Man, Pacquiao fans are so sensitive when they hear the truth. Arum will consider Crawford now because of all the crap he has heard with people being disappointed with the Vargas fight. Arum may be ready for his new cash cow.

Badhusker wrote:As much crap as Floyd got for fighting Berto, I am surprised that Pacquiao isn't getting any for his choice of opponents. Bradley 3, then Vargas instead of Thurman or Crawford? Definitely taking the safe fights now it seems. Double standards and hypocrisy. Why even keep fighting if he isn't going to test himself against the best welterweights, or even the best Junior welterweight? Hell, I would rather see him vs Khan than this fight. Vargas was dominated by the guy Pac just beat fairly easily. I hope the cherry pick backfires.

FMJ beat Pac then faces Berto, Pac's comeback fight was Bradley. One was undefeated 48-0 claiming to be "the best ever" while the other has no such claims. See why most people aren't too bothered?

digzee wrote:

Badhusker wrote:As much crap as Floyd got for fighting Berto, I am surprised that Pacquiao isn't getting any for his choice of opponents. Bradley 3, then Vargas instead of Thurman or Crawford? Definitely taking the safe fights now it seems. Double standards and hypocrisy. Why even keep fighting if he isn't going to test himself against the best welterweights, or even the best Junior welterweight? Hell, I would rather see him vs Khan than this fight. Vargas was dominated by the guy Pac just beat fairly easily. I hope the cherry pick backfires.

FMJ beat Pac then faces Berto, Pac's comeback fight was Bradley. One was undefeated 48-0 claiming to be "the best ever" while the other has no such claims. See why most people aren't too bothered?

Don't forget that Mayweather was the consensus number one at the time...something Manny is clearly not. No comparison really.

punchoutsb wrote:

digzee wrote:

Badhusker wrote:As much crap as Floyd got for fighting Berto, I am surprised that Pacquiao isn't getting any for his choice of opponents. Bradley 3, then Vargas instead of Thurman or Crawford? Definitely taking the safe fights now it seems. Double standards and hypocrisy. Why even keep fighting if he isn't going to test himself against the best welterweights, or even the best Junior welterweight? Hell, I would rather see him vs Khan than this fight. Vargas was dominated by the guy Pac just beat fairly easily. I hope the cherry pick backfires.

FMJ beat Pac then faces Berto, Pac's comeback fight was Bradley. One was undefeated 48-0 claiming to be "the best ever" while the other has no such claims. See why most people aren't too bothered?

Don't forget that Mayweather was the consensus number one at the time...something Manny is clearly not. No comparison really.

Look at Pacquiao's last 5 fights. Other than Floyd, he fights Bradley twice, Rios, and Algieri. That is what I am talking about. When Floyd was 38 he fought Pac, then Berto to end it. I would at least rate Rios and Algieri about the same level as Berto, who Floyd got so much crap about. People forget Floyd is almost 2 yrs older than Pac. Imagine if Floyd fought Algieri or Rios? Folks would have had even more of a shitfit than they had with Berto. Bradley, Rios, Algieri, now Vargas. All fairly feather fisted, and Vargas was dominated by Bradley. Waste of time fight which I hope backfires.

Badhusker wrote:

punchoutsb wrote:

digzee wrote: FMJ beat Pac then faces Berto, Pac's comeback fight was Bradley. One was undefeated 48-0 claiming to be "the best ever" while the other has no such claims. See why most people aren't too bothered?

Don't forget that Mayweather was the consensus number one at the time...something Manny is clearly not. No comparison really.

Look at Pacquiao's last 5 fights. Other than Floyd, he fights Bradley twice, Rios, and Algieri. That is what I am talking about. When Floyd was 38 he fought Pac, then Berto to end it. I would at least rate Rios and Algieri about the same level as Berto, who Floyd got so much crap about. People forget Floyd is almost 2 yrs older than Pac. Imagine if Floyd fought Algieri or Rios? Folks would have had even more of a shitfit than they had with Berto. Bradley, Rios, Algieri, now Vargas. All fairly feather fisted, and Vargas was dominated by Bradley. Waste of time fight which I hope backfires.

Pac fought Rios after 2 losses so not exactly gonna blame him for that, yes the Algieri fight wasn't great but clearly Provodnikov was the fight they wanted but Algieri ruined those plans. How can you complain about him fighting Bradley? If PBF fought him he'd be in his top 5 opponents of his career. Pac doesn't have the options like PBF has had, plus Broner and Danny "swiftly avoiding every prime WW" Garcia priced themselves out.

Badhusker wrote:

IKSRTFO wrote:

Badhusker wrote:As much crap as Floyd got for fighting Berto, I am surprised that Pacquiao isn't getting any for his choice of opponents. Bradley 3, then Vargas instead of Thurman or Crawford? Definitely taking the safe fights now it seems. Double standards and hypocrisy. Why even keep fighting if he isn't going to test himself against the best welterweights, or even the best Junior welterweight? Hell, I would rather see him vs Khan than this fight. Vargas was dominated by the guy Pac just beat fairly easily. I hope the cherry pick backfires.

Bradley and Vargas are leagues better than Berto. Bradley hasn't lost to anyone not named Pacquiao. Vargas only lost to Bradley. Berto can't even beat Soto Karras took two tries to beat Ortiz.

The point is he would be fighting the guy that was dominated by Bradley. The 3rd Bradley fight definitely was not necessary. No point to it, other than it being a safe fight.

What is funny is that their first choice was Broner, for Manny's "comeback", but he priced himself out. Tell me now how many leagues ahead Broner is than Berto? Man, Pacquiao fans are so sensitive when they hear the truth. Arum will consider Crawford now because of all the crap he has heard with people being disappointed with the Vargas fight. Arum may be ready for his new cash cow.

By your theory, the Thrilla in the Manilla shoudln't have happened as Frazier was thoroughly pummeled by Foreman who Ali beat.