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Where does he rank P4P? Where does he rank as an ATG? Where does he rank among the greatest British Boxers of all Time?

Firstly, it's probably not going to happen, but...

To me - if it were a clear victory, like a 116-112 or wider decision or a KO/TKO with no robbery or quickfire stoppage - it probably makes him the #1 p4p fighter in the sport, seeing as we don't have a clear cut #1 right now. If GGG had some better names on his resume, it would be even more impressive.

As for his standing among British fighters, it's a better win than any other British fighter has had, at least since Hatton beat Tszyu, although it would actually top that. Regarding British fighters all-time standing, I'd still have him behind Lewis, Calzaghe and Froch for the moment, but not by much.

I'd put him top 3 P4P. GGG would be a better individual win than what many fighters have got but Brook's resume is otherwise quite lacking. Porter is a good win but then he wasted time with Donut Dan, Bizier and Glass Gav.

As for ATG British fighters, I'd say GGG would be the best win for a British fighter but I'd still have him firmly behind the likes of Lennox, Nazeem, Calzaghe, Froch, Hatton etc.

Brook has a better chance than people are giving him. Golovkin has looked like a monster every time out but he's 34 years old and his level of opposition has been very weak. Brook has speed and skill and even though he's stepping up 2 weight classes, the weight advantage for Golovkin will be very minimal if there is one at all.

Golovkin is still a rightful favorite but Brook is getting overlooked. He's the best opponent of Golovkin's career, by a wide margin.

jujigatame wrote:Brook has a better chance than people are giving him. Golovkin has looked like a monster every time out but he's 34 years old and his level of opposition has been very weak. Brook has speed and skill and even though he's stepping up 2 weight classes, the weight advantage for Golovkin will be very minimal if there is one at all.

Golovkin is still a rightful favorite but Brook is getting overlooked. He's the best opponent of Golovkin's career, by a wide margin.

Of all the things the message board Boxing fan generation is clueless about, weight tops the chart. He won't be at any size disadvantage and he'll feel better than he ever has in a ring. Once he gets cracked in the ribs, that might change.

Any applause that Brook receives from defying the odds to score an upset over Golovkin will surely be drowned out by all the accusations of GGG simply being another manufactured media-hyped “Jeff Lacy” type monster.

I’m not suggesting that the above sentence is true or even expressing any personal beliefs; I’m merely articulating my prediction of how things will be played out in the media and also by the comments that may be posted in this forum if such an unlikely situation ever occurred.

If Kell Brook beats Golovkin it'll be huge, and it would definitely be the upset of the year I'd imagine.

Then he might have the balls to fight Errol spence jr

jujigatame wrote:Brook has a better chance than people are giving him. Golovkin has looked like a monster every time out but he's 34 years old and his level of opposition has been very weak. Brook has speed and skill and even though he's stepping up 2 weight classes, the weight advantage for Golovkin will be very minimal if there is one at all.

Golovkin is still a rightful favorite but Brook is getting overlooked. He's the best opponent of Golovkin's career, by a wide margin.

What chance (e.g. 40 percent?) are you giving him?

crusader wrote:

jujigatame wrote:Brook has a better chance than people are giving him. Golovkin has looked like a monster every time out but he's 34 years old and his level of opposition has been very weak. Brook has speed and skill and even though he's stepping up 2 weight classes, the weight advantage for Golovkin will be very minimal if there is one at all.

Golovkin is still a rightful favorite but Brook is getting overlooked. He's the best opponent of Golovkin's career, by a wide margin.

What chance (e.g. 40 percent?) are you giving him?

I'd give Brook a 20% chance or so. It's possible he's a better boxer than I think he is.

crusader wrote:

jujigatame wrote:Brook has a better chance than people are giving him. Golovkin has looked like a monster every time out but he's 34 years old and his level of opposition has been very weak. Brook has speed and skill and even though he's stepping up 2 weight classes, the weight advantage for Golovkin will be very minimal if there is one at all.

Golovkin is still a rightful favorite but Brook is getting overlooked. He's the best opponent of Golovkin's career, by a wide margin.

What chance (e.g. 40 percent?) are you giving him?

I'm gonna say around 1/3.

I'm with the 33%. Its going to be a good fight

The reason Golovkin took this fight is he needs to fight guys of this caliber.. Brook was kind of the Golovkin of the Welterweight Division.. Amir Khan refused more money to fight Brook than he made for fighting Canelo.. Brook had to come to the United States to fight Porter.. If Brook scored an upset it would be unbelievable.. He'd be the P4P #1 and he's got the fight in his back yard with everything in his favor..

But I don't see that happening.. If he goes the distance it will be big.. He can fight Billy Joe Saunders and Chris Eubank in monster domestic fights that he doesn't have at Welterweight. I think whatever he does he'll be ready to fight his best fight.

Never going to happen

jujigatame wrote:Brook has a better chance than people are giving him. Golovkin has looked like a monster every time out but he's 34 years old and his level of opposition has been very weak. Brook has speed and skill and even though he's stepping up 2 weight classes, the weight advantage for Golovkin will be very minimal if there is one at all.

Golovkin is still a rightful favorite but Brook is getting overlooked. He's the best opponent of Golovkin's career, by a wide margin.

Brook has a 0% chance.

Ricky_ wrote:

jujigatame wrote:Brook has a better chance than people are giving him. Golovkin has looked like a monster every time out but he's 34 years old and his level of opposition has been very weak. Brook has speed and skill and even though he's stepping up 2 weight classes, the weight advantage for Golovkin will be very minimal if there is one at all.

Golovkin is still a rightful favorite but Brook is getting overlooked. He's the best opponent of Golovkin's career, by a wide margin.

Brook has a 0% chance.

You silly goose.

jujigatame wrote:Brook has a better chance than people are giving him. Golovkin has looked like a monster every time out but he's 34 years old and his level of opposition has been very weak. Brook has speed and skill and even though he's stepping up 2 weight classes, the weight advantage for Golovkin will be very minimal if there is one at all.

Golovkin is still a rightful favorite but Brook is getting overlooked. He's the best opponent of Golovkin's career, by a wide margin.

I do agree that Brook is being over looked.
This will be an entertaining fight for 8 or 9 rounds

If Brook wins? According to guys like Caldo and Kalan, it would make Brook the best middleweight ever.

In reality, Brook will be competitive for a while, but G will slowly break him down and stop him. Brook has nothing to lose though.

Where do y'all come up with this shit? GGG has not overlooked anyone, ever. He is as professional as it gets, in preparation obligation and performance. And he is the one with everything to lose, Kell loses nothing after he gets knocked out. The fans you all may be referring to as overlooking Kell know how prepared and focused Golovkin is and has always been, hence why the vast majority EXPECT Brook to be flattened. Predicting a GGG KO is quite normal, and for good reason. He fights to finish. So does Brook most of the time. And that's likely going to hasten Kell's inevitable undoing. The screams will die down after the first couple rounds, then undeniable reality sets in.

Ricky_ wrote:

jujigatame wrote:Brook has a better chance than people are giving him. Golovkin has looked like a monster every time out but he's 34 years old and his level of opposition has been very weak. Brook has speed and skill and even though he's stepping up 2 weight classes, the weight advantage for Golovkin will be very minimal if there is one at all.

Golovkin is still a rightful favorite but Brook is getting overlooked. He's the best opponent of Golovkin's career, by a wide margin.

Brook has a 0% chance.

No such thing as a fighter with a 0% chance. No matter how big of an underdog you are there's always some freakish thing that could happen and make it all go your way. A perfect shot right on the chin, a perfect debilitating body shot, your opponent breaks his ankle, your opponent blows his knee out, your opponent drops dead from sudden cardiac arrest...while these scenarios are highly unlikely, they're not impossible. Therefore there's more than a 0% chance

gilgamesh wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:

jujigatame wrote:Brook has a better chance than people are giving him. Golovkin has looked like a monster every time out but he's 34 years old and his level of opposition has been very weak. Brook has speed and skill and even though he's stepping up 2 weight classes, the weight advantage for Golovkin will be very minimal if there is one at all.

Golovkin is still a rightful favorite but Brook is getting overlooked. He's the best opponent of Golovkin's career, by a wide margin.

Brook has a 0% chance.

No such thing as a fighter with a 0% chance. No matter how big of an underdog you are there's always some freakish thing that could happen and make it all go your way. A perfect shot right on the chin, a perfect debilitating body shot, your opponent breaks his ankle, your opponent blows his knee out, your opponent drops dead from sudden cardiac arrest...while these scenarios are highly unlikely, they're not impossible. Therefore there's more than a 0% chance

If there were a 0% chance Brook could win, you could bet 7 million on Golovkin and win a million. Then you could pay your mafia backers their 7 million dollars -- plus their 175,000 2.5% profit the next day and walk away with 825,000 dollars. On the other hand if Brook won you'd have to come up with 7,175,000 dollars so you might want to rethink that.

Golovkin is a great investment for 5% of your betting capital.. But Brook has at least a 6% chance to win. Obviously he thinks he has a much better chance.

gilgamesh wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:

jujigatame wrote:Brook has a better chance than people are giving him. Golovkin has looked like a monster every time out but he's 34 years old and his level of opposition has been very weak. Brook has speed and skill and even though he's stepping up 2 weight classes, the weight advantage for Golovkin will be very minimal if there is one at all.

Golovkin is still a rightful favorite but Brook is getting overlooked. He's the best opponent of Golovkin's career, by a wide margin.

Brook has a 0% chance.

No such thing as a fighter with a 0% chance. No matter how big of an underdog you are there's always some freakish thing that could happen and make it all go your way. A perfect shot right on the chin, a perfect debilitating body shot, your opponent breaks his ankle, your opponent blows his knee out, your opponent drops dead from sudden cardiac arrest...while these scenarios are highly unlikely, they're not impossible. Therefore there's more than a 0% chance

Yes true, Golovkin could break an ankle.

Let's go with 0.5%.

I just looked at the booky odds on the fight. I can't believe that they only have the odds at 6-1. I thought it would be more like 50 or 100 to 1.

x2x wrote:I just looked at the booky odds on the fight. I can't believe that they only have the odds at 6-1. I thought it would be more like 50 or 100 to 1.

That's ridiculous - Brook isn't that much smaller than GGG and is definitely more skilled than any of his opponents to date.

gilgamesh wrote:

Ricky_ wrote:

jujigatame wrote:Brook has a better chance than people are giving him. Golovkin has looked like a monster every time out but he's 34 years old and his level of opposition has been very weak. Brook has speed and skill and even though he's stepping up 2 weight classes, the weight advantage for Golovkin will be very minimal if there is one at all.

Golovkin is still a rightful favorite but Brook is getting overlooked. He's the best opponent of Golovkin's career, by a wide margin.

Brook has a 0% chance.

No such thing as a fighter with a 0% chance. No matter how big of an underdog you are there's always some freakish thing that could happen and make it all go your way. A perfect shot right on the chin, a perfect debilitating body shot, your opponent breaks his ankle, your opponent blows his knee out, your opponent drops dead from sudden cardiac arrest...while these scenarios are highly unlikely, they're not impossible. Therefore there's more than a 0% chance

Thank you