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Assuming GGG's best wins are Murray and Lemiux , how Brook would do against these 2 guys @ 160 lbs ?

He'd be pretty comfortable with Murray but stopped by Lemieux IMO

How can anyone answer this question, because none of us have witnessed a 160lb version of Brook competing inside the ring?

For all we know, a full-time out-of-condition cab driver could pose more of a threat at 160lbs than Kell does.

Enlightened-One wrote:How can anyone answer this question, because none of us have witnessed a 160lb version of Brook competing inside the ring?
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If you understand something more of boxing than what you can glean from the record books, its possible to make semi-educated guesses in these matters. In boxing we have these things called style clashes, which can often be predictable as one fighters weaknesses play into another fighters strengths, and so on.

Naturally however to someone limited to scouring the record books, the above will just mean a great big *does not compute*, but that would be their loss, as much of the genuine intellectual and analytical demands and joys of boxing are contained in analysing things the record books do not show.

Counter-puncher wrote:He'd be pretty comfortable with Murray but stopped by Lemieux IMO

I think Brook would outbox Lemieux due to his superior boxing ability, they are both around the same size so I think Brook can control the fight with his excellent jab. I'm not saying its a forgone conclusion as Lemieux could knock him out, I think if it goes the distance Brook wins but if it ends early it'll probably be by Lemieux. I'd say its 60/40 in Brooks favour.

He'd beat both of them. Probably stop lemieux

Counter-puncher wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:How can anyone answer this question, because none of us have witnessed a 160lb version of Brook competing inside the ring?

If you understand something more of boxing than what you can glean from the record books, its possible to make semi-educated guesses in these matters... blah... blah... blah...

Naturally however to someone limited to scouring the record books... blah... blah... more nonsense... blah... blah... blah...

You're making unfounded assumptions that are derogatory in nature about a person who you've never met and know nothing about. Racists do that also, don't they?

Barring the Porter bout, there's only the minutest trace of logic could possibly be used to argue the use of the term "educated" in the context of "guessing" the potential success that a largely unproven welterweight would have when faced with 160lb-ers.

Brook has never fought at 160lbs and he has never scored a clear-cut decisive and legitimate victory over any universally-regarded top-ten world class welterweight.

So don't pretend the subject matter of this thread is serious enough to warrant your unprovoked attack on me!

After all, it's not as if I'm mocking deprived children of Africa, so you need to seek help over you unreasonably sensitive nature!

None of the things I stated in my previous post in this thread can be deemed as unreasonable, inaccurate or insulting!

The irony is Brook may be the toughest opponent to date for GGG even if he's a smaller fighter. Brook has really good boxing skills and he's a strong fighter with a good ring IQ and heart. I think this fight may go to a decision.

I think that Brook would beat Murray on the cards but I do think that he would struggle with Lemieux. Just an opinion at this point because I haven't seen Brook as much as i'd like to.

But we have to realize one very important factor, Brook hasn't been hit by a real Middleweight in prime time action with 10 ounce gloves. You can spar all day long with heavier fighters but there's now way to simulate it for real. Lemieux has world class power IMO and it would be interesting to see how Brook could withstand the punches.

But against GGG, we are talking about a different animal all together. I just don't know how Brook can muffle GGG's punches like he did to Porter. Porter has limited athletic ability inside the ring and doesn't come anywhere near the toolset that GGG has. Brook barely won that one so i'm not sure how he makes it 8 rounds with GGG chasing him down all night.

He's a hero for just taking the fight in my book. No matter what happens, i'll never knock Brook again. Balls of steel.

apollo creed wrote:Assuming GGG's best wins are Murray and Lemiux , how Brook would do against these 2 guys @ 160 lbs ?

He'd get beat by both versions, simple. Lemieux ko's him badly, and Murray either late stoppage or points, probably points!

If Brook moved up to 160 to fight Murray he'd get stopped.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:He'd beat both of them. Probably stop lemieux

I agree with this.
Brook is a good fighter and a very large welterweight.
He will have very little problem with most middleweights
today.

Brook wouldn't fight the versions of Lemieux and Murray that fought GGG. GGG made them look how they looked against him. Brook would fight confident top middleweights who are much stronger than him. There is no way he would stop them. The opposite is possible.

boxing_rocks wrote:Brook wouldn't fight the versions of Lemieux and Murray that fought GGG. GGG made them look how they looked against him. Brook would fight confident top middleweights who are much stronger than him. There is no way he would stop them. The opposite is possible.

Exactly, Lemieux would go after Brook guns blazing and punch himself out. Then he may or may not get stopped, he'd lose though.

Lemieux doesn't have a jab, that is a glaring weakness. But he punches like dynamite at a higher weight, who knows if Brook can take that, not many can at MW much less WW. Kell is a better fighter but he'd likely edge out a decision over Lemieux boxing smart, or get stopped while he's ahead. David is durable and quick handed, it's an interesting fight.

Murray I believe would get screwed like he always does, do enough to be even or slightly ahead then get hosed by the three blind mice. Martin is tough and strong, Brook would not bully him for a second and that's Brook's style. I see Lemieux getting outboxed by Kell before Murray would be.

Brook v Murray would be a terrible fight imo. Would likely be a re-run of Brook-Porter - nothing really in it, neither guy committing properly, very one paced. Could see it going either way on a tight decision, but would edge towards Brook.

I'd pick Lemieux to stop Brook, although I can easily imagine the reverse happening.

SFW wrote:Lemieux doesn't have a jab, that is a glaring weakness. But he punches like dynamite at a higher weight, who knows if Brook can take that, not many can at MW much less WW. Kell is a better fighter but he'd likely edge out a decision over Lemieux boxing smart, or get stopped while he's ahead. David is durable and quick handed, it's an interesting fight.

Murray I believe would get screwed like he always does, do enough to be even or slightly ahead then get hosed by the three blind mice. Martin is tough and strong, Brook would not bully him for a second and that's Brook's style. I see Lemieux getting outboxed by Kell before Murray would be.

Is he really that big of a puncher? He can certainly swat, and I know these results were a while back, but Alcine and Rubio don't really stand up to the bombs of the biggest hitters.

I think once he dedicated himself and stopped assuming he could steamroll everyone, refined his technique and learned how to punch right, he became a dangerous puncher not just a clubber. While his technique got a lil better, he still isn't skilled like Brook is though.

Lemieux had gas tank issues as well, all came back to his lack of discipline. He utilizes his power better now than he had previously, partly because his conditioning improved and he wasn't losing steam after a few rounds.