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Since he's hit his financial peak in the sport you've notice that most of the fighters now are divas? One semi notable fight and now a major diva!

These divas seeing that $200 million payday for a cherry pick 7-8yrs later after someone's prime has done some real damage to our sport that we

love. Floyd please go away for GOOD.

I don't know how it's Floyd Mayweather's fault that Al Haymon has almost all of the Top Welterweights out there and won't match them against each other.

He has Beterbiev and Adonis Stevenson an in house PBC fight just sitting there waiting to be made for him, but instead Adonis Stevenson will keep fighting Joe Blow for the foreseeable future until somebody just beats him anyway because he's ready to be taken.

The problem with the sport is nobody fights anybody anymore. All the fights that people want to see don't happen. It'd be like if you watch the Baseball Playoffs all the way through the World Series, and then the 2 teams in the World Series had to bicker back and forth about contractual issues before they played each other 5 years down the road...if you did that sh*t with Baseball by the time the World Series went down there'd be nobody left to care or watch.

Boxing is doing that to itself.

gilgamesh wrote:I don't know how it's Floyd Mayweather's fault that Al Haymon has almost all of the Top Welterweights out there and won't match them against each other.

He has Beterbiev and Adonis Stevenson an in house PBC fight just sitting there waiting to be made for him, but instead Adonis Stevenson will keep fighting Joe Blow for the foreseeable future until somebody just beats him anyway because he's ready to be taken.

The problem with the sport is nobody fights anybody anymore. All the fights that people want to see don't happen. It'd be like if you watch the Baseball Playoffs all the way through the World Series, and then the 2 teams in the World Series had to bicker back and forth about contractual issues before they played each other 5 years down the road...if you did that sh*t with Baseball by the time the World Series went down there'd be nobody left to care or watch.

Boxing is doing that to itself.

Okay so we all do get it ... if we want to look at the "other side" of the sport, the same thing is happening with Kovalev/Ward and GGG/Canelo.

I'm not simply anti-HBO as my partner would have you believe. You guys all see that Haymon is the SOS. Somehow, people are forgetting HBO/TR are also the SOS. Instead of picking sides, we probably should call them ALL out.

But wait ... PBC > HBO

Nah. Al Haymon has done all the harm. He is building a monopoly on the top moneymakers and, as stated already, is refusing to match his fighters against each other. Top Rank and Golden Boy have complained about his business practices with good reason.

Disagree Completely. In fact, quite the opposite. Floyd was a genius. He found a way to market himself like a Pro Wrestler through hatred and managed to find a way to make the most money while controlling the level of risk. His fights were boring as hell but we kept buying them thinking that THIS would finally be the fight that his mouth got shut. It never happened. Each fight was a carbon copy of the last. Floyd would fight defensively and was content on winning on points.

The reason that i disagree is that fans will never let another boxer do this to us again. We now demand more action and there will never be another Floyd making bank off of backing up and holding. You can see fans pressuring protected fighters now demanding them to fight someone. Leo Santa Cruz is a prime example. He got ridiculed into taking that fight last month away from his home base. He could have demanded the fight be in California and hold out but fans have had enough of his light fights and he gave in taking the challenge. More and more boxers will end up doing the same. Floyd was a once in a lifetime business model. It will never work again.

jbizzle20 wrote:Nah. Al Haymon has done all the harm. He is building a monopoly on the top moneymakers and, as stated already, is refusing to match his fighters against each other. Top Rank and Golden Boy have complained about his business practices with good reason.

Haymon hasn’t lost any of his lawsuits and we haven’t heard his side of the story. And we know for certain that HBO severed ties with Haymon, not the other way around.

So we can’t assume guilt or accuse him of any wrongdoing based solely on the “no smoke without fire” way of thinking.

In my mind, free-to-air boxing being broadcast on terrestrial TV networks, where the fight fans don’t have to dip into their pockets to watch bouts can only be a good thing, unless you’d prefer to pay to watch the sport?

Floyd wasn't always that boring though. He was never an "exciting" fighter, but the Diego Corrales fight was in 2000. There was big risk, and Floyd beat him badly and stopped him.
Floyd had said that Emanuel Augustus was his toughest fight, which is no surprise, given how tough we all know Augustus is. I watched the fight a couple weeks ago. Floyd was busy, aggressive, and blew Augustus away. That was very early in his career.
So Floyd didn't always fight THIS defensively as a pro. He did take chances to get to the point where he has ended up.

I hear all the time how boring Floyd is to watch. If so, why do so many tune in to watch....pay $70 or even $100? I would guess he is hated by many, mainly out of jealousy though. A lot want to see him lose. The fact is he is the best boxing tactician we have seen in this generation, and best defensively probably ever. He is a marketing genius. His boxing brain is second to none. Richest guy by far in the history of the sport. Pretty damn good for someone with little formal education.

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:I don't know how it's Floyd Mayweather's fault that Al Haymon has almost all of the Top Welterweights out there and won't match them against each other.

He has Beterbiev and Adonis Stevenson an in house PBC fight just sitting there waiting to be made for him, but instead Adonis Stevenson will keep fighting Joe Blow for the foreseeable future until somebody just beats him anyway because he's ready to be taken.

The problem with the sport is nobody fights anybody anymore. All the fights that people want to see don't happen. It'd be like if you watch the Baseball Playoffs all the way through the World Series, and then the 2 teams in the World Series had to bicker back and forth about contractual issues before they played each other 5 years down the road...if you did that sh*t with Baseball by the time the World Series went down there'd be nobody left to care or watch.

Boxing is doing that to itself.

Okay so we all do get it ... if we want to look at the "other side" of the sport, the same thing is happening with Kovalev/Ward and GGG/Canelo.

I'm not simply anti-HBO as my partner would have you believe. You guys all see that Haymon is the SOS. Somehow, people are forgetting HBO/TR are also the SOS. Instead of picking sides, we probably should call them ALL out.

But wait ... PBC > HBO

The pbc is the biggest failure in sports history. This is exactly how wound up you are. HBO doesn't make fights, they approve them.

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:I don't know how it's Floyd Mayweather's fault that Al Haymon has almost all of the Top Welterweights out there and won't match them against each other.

He has Beterbiev and Adonis Stevenson an in house PBC fight just sitting there waiting to be made for him, but instead Adonis Stevenson will keep fighting Joe Blow for the foreseeable future until somebody just beats him anyway because he's ready to be taken.

The problem with the sport is nobody fights anybody anymore. All the fights that people want to see don't happen. It'd be like if you watch the Baseball Playoffs all the way through the World Series, and then the 2 teams in the World Series had to bicker back and forth about contractual issues before they played each other 5 years down the road...if you did that sh*t with Baseball by the time the World Series went down there'd be nobody left to care or watch.

Boxing is doing that to itself.

Okay so we all do get it ... if we want to look at the "other side" of the sport, the same thing is happening with Kovalev/Ward and GGG/Canelo.

I'm not simply anti-HBO as my partner would have you believe. You guys all see that Haymon is the SOS. Somehow, people are forgetting HBO/TR are also the SOS. Instead of picking sides, we probably should call them ALL out.

But wait ... PBC > HBO

All the Promoters suck at the moment, but I don't recall a time (other than a card here or there) when Haymon hasn't sucked. He gives his fighters the easiest road to being multi-millionaires of any promoter in the sports history. Great for the fighters, horrible for the fans.

He simply found out that fighting 100 bums and avoid all the top fighters all the time generates the most money, since his fans are uncredebly retarded.
I think it's terrible for the sport indeed, there are many retarded fans out there. Povetkin gets openly occused for all kind of wrong things, while he's an innocent men. Wilder his fans are so retarded somehow, they still think it's true and Povetkin is guilty of breaking a rule. At the same time, when Mayweather puts 750ml of some substance in his veins (not body, no, veins!) there's nothing wrong according to his fans. It's sick to see how retarded some of their fans are.

As for Floyd, I'll just leave it to what Big George said:

"Boxing is like jazz. The better it is, the less people appreciate it."

asdfjkl wrote:He simply found out that fighting 100 bums and avoid all the top fighters all the time generates the most money, since his fans are uncredebly retarded.
I think it's terrible for the sport indeed, thrre are many retarded fans out there. Povetkin gets openly occused for all kind of wrong things, while he's n innocent men. Wilder his fans are so retarded somehow, they still think it's true and Povetkin is guilty. At the same time, when Mayweather puts 750ml of some substance there's nothing wrong according to his fans. It's sick to see how retarded some of their fans are.

Mayweather hasn't fought a "bum" in at least 11 years. I'm not even a fan of the guy, but people acting like Mayweather didn't fight anybody that was any good is just absolute nonsense.

gilgamesh wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:He simply found out that fighting 100 bums and avoid all the top fighters all the time generates the most money, since his fans are uncredebly retarded.
I think it's terrible for the sport indeed, thrre are many retarded fans out there. Povetkin gets openly occused for all kind of wrong things, while he's n innocent men. Wilder his fans are so retarded somehow, they still think it's true and Povetkin is guilty. At the same time, when Mayweather puts 750ml of some substance there's nothing wrong according to his fans. It's sick to see how retarded some of their fans are.

Mayweather hasn't fought a "bum" in at least 11 years. I'm not even a fan of the guy, but people acting like Mayweather didn't fight anybody that was any good is just absolute nonsense.

That's how I felt in 2012. Started to ignore them then.

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

asdfjkl wrote:He simply found out that fighting 100 bums and avoid all the top fighters all the time generates the most money, since his fans are uncredebly retarded.
I think it's terrible for the sport indeed, thrre are many retarded fans out there. Povetkin gets openly occused for all kind of wrong things, while he's n innocent men. Wilder his fans are so retarded somehow, they still think it's true and Povetkin is guilty. At the same time, when Mayweather puts 750ml of some substance there's nothing wrong according to his fans. It's sick to see how retarded some of their fans are.

Mayweather hasn't fought a "bum" in at least 11 years. I'm not even a fan of the guy, but people acting like Mayweather didn't fight anybody that was any good is just absolute nonsense.

That's how I felt in 2012. Started to ignore them then.

If I look at Mayweather his opponends, I notice nearly all of them have very avarage statistics since their Mayweather fight. I'm not interested in the vabyleagues, but in my opinion, his opponends simply don't seem to be any good.

asdfjkl wrote:

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
Mayweather hasn't fought a "bum" in at least 11 years. I'm not even a fan of the guy, but people acting like Mayweather didn't fight anybody that was any good is just absolute nonsense.

That's how I felt in 2012. Started to ignore them then.

If I look at Mayweather his opponends, I notice nearly all of them have very avarage statistics since their Mayweather fight. I'm not interested in the vabyleagues, but in my opinion, his opponends simply don't seem to be any good.

Yeah that Juan Manuel Marquez guy who went on to knock out Manny Pacquiao, and prove himself as one of the greatest fighters of his generation, That Saul "Canelo" Alvarez guy who went on to be in the P4P Top 10. That Shane Mosley guy who was coming off one of his best career wins...what losers right?

asdfjkl wrote:

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
Mayweather hasn't fought a "bum" in at least 11 years. I'm not even a fan of the guy, but people acting like Mayweather didn't fight anybody that was any good is just absolute nonsense.

That's how I felt in 2012. Started to ignore them then.

If I look at Mayweather his opponends, I notice nearly all of them have very avarage statistics since their Mayweather fight. I'm not interested in the vabyleagues, but in my opinion, his opponends simply don't seem to be any good.

You continue to show the world what an absolute fuking retard you are? omfg you aren't even smart enough to be a good troll.

Name one guy that has fought and beat more world champions (former or current at the time) than Mayweather.

asdfjkl wrote:

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
Mayweather hasn't fought a "bum" in at least 11 years. I'm not even a fan of the guy, but people acting like Mayweather didn't fight anybody that was any good is just absolute nonsense.

That's how I felt in 2012. Started to ignore them then.

If I look at Mayweather his opponends, I notice nearly all of them have very avarage statistics since their Mayweather fight. I'm not interested in the vabyleagues, but in my opinion, his opponends simply don't seem to be any good.

Another way to look at it is that Floyd ruined many of his opponents.
That's something greatness does very often.
Making someone feel like there's no way they could have possibly won normally has long lasting effects.

Many fighters defeated by great fighters are never the same. (Of course, all of this became true in recent times)

Floyd kept a dying sport in his country relevant twice a year. He also broke ground like rappers in the music industry to say, I don't need you. I'll produce my own shit.

jbizzle20 wrote:As for Floyd, I'll just leave it to what Big George said:

"Boxing is like jazz. The better it is, the less people appreciate it."

Good quote and spot on in most instances. I'm a big Mayweather fan. His "recent" fights with Cotto, Alvarez and Maidana 1 are exciting fights. Very re-watchable. He'll always be a memorable figure for me.

As for Andre Ward, who seems to be trying to emulate Mayweather, and in relation to that quote....his last two performances have been very standard. Throw more punches FFS! Mayweather had more C word in him than Ward when he was passionate. He's the one who'll do the sport more harm than good if he avoids Kovalev or wins with lackluster punch output.

lazboy wrote:

jbizzle20 wrote:As for Floyd, I'll just leave it to what Big George said:

"Boxing is like jazz. The better it is, the less people appreciate it."

Good quote and spot on in most instances. I'm a big Mayweather fan. His "recent" fights with Cotto, Alvarez and Maidana 1 are exciting fights. Very re-watchable. He'll always be a memorable figure for me.

As for Andre Ward, who seems to be trying to emulate Mayweather, and in relation to that quote....his last two performances have been very standard. Throw more punches FFS! Mayweather had more C word in him than Ward when he was passionate. He's the one who'll do the sport more harm than good if he avoids Kovalev or wins with lackluster punch output.

Yeah, as a Lennox Lewis fan, I know the feeling. Hitting AND not getting hit are a great thing to watch. Floyd did both and retired with his health, something too many legends don't do. That should be seen as a positive for a sport that is constantly under fire for its dark side. Seems like Ward gets conservative when he shouldn't but hey, the man keeps winning big. Problem is, he just keeps disappearing for too long between fights. That hurts his credibility and weighs on his legacy, probably even more so than the lack of power. Kovalev is, by far, his toughest challenge and biggest name opponent. He can make people forget about those questions if he wins decisively.

Hardly Floyds fault. Floyd made some of the biggest, cross media fights in history. He is the greatest of his era. Not his fault managers / promoters are to scared to risk their cash cows.

jbizzle20 wrote:

lazboy wrote:

jbizzle20 wrote:As for Floyd, I'll just leave it to what Big George said:

"Boxing is like jazz. The better it is, the less people appreciate it."

Good quote and spot on in most instances. I'm a big Mayweather fan. His "recent" fights with Cotto, Alvarez and Maidana 1 are exciting fights. Very re-watchable. He'll always be a memorable figure for me.

As for Andre Ward, who seems to be trying to emulate Mayweather, and in relation to that quote....his last two performances have been very standard. Throw more punches FFS! Mayweather had more C word in him than Ward when he was passionate. He's the one who'll do the sport more harm than good if he avoids Kovalev or wins with lackluster punch output.

Yeah, as a Lennox Lewis fan, I know the feeling. Hitting AND not getting hit are a great thing to watch. Floyd did both and retired with his health, something too many legends don't do. That should be seen as a positive for a sport that is constantly under fire for its dark side. Seems like Ward gets conservative when he shouldn't but hey, the man keeps winning big. Problem is, he just keeps disappearing for too long between fights. That hurts his credibility and weighs on his legacy, probably even more so than the lack of power. Kovalev is, by far, his toughest challenge and biggest name opponent. He can make people forget about those questions if he wins decisively.

Floyd is the most successful boxer ever money wise, and him not fighting best available opposition for years definitely set a bad example. Even after retiring, he gives advise to Canelo to not fight GGG or to Ward to not fight Kovalev.