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WBC orders Povetkin vs. Stiverne

http://www.worldboxingnews.net/2016/08/ ... da-testing

That’s pretty controversial of the WBC!

First the WBC postpones Povetkin’s opportunity (as the mandatory challenger) for Wilder’s title, they then announce to the world that he’d allegedly “failed” a drug test, Alexander unfairly receives widespread criticism for being a “cheat”, is then subsequently cleared of any wrongdoing… and the only form of compensation he receives is an "opportunity" to "re-earn" his mandatory challenger status?

Wow

Enlightened-One wrote:That’s pretty controversial of the WBC!

First the WBC postpones Povetkin’s opportunity (as the mandatory challenger) for Wilder’s title, they then announce to the world that he’d allegedly “failed” a drug test, Alexander unfairly receives widespread criticism for being a “cheat”, is then subsequently cleared of any wrongdoing… and the only form of compensation he receives is an "opportunity" to "re-earn" his mandatory challenger status?

He doesn't deserve any compensation. But that isn't what this is. This is a case of a champion being injured and unable to defend his belt against his mandatory, and thus the sanctioning body is allowing that mandatory to fight for an interim belt. This happens all of the time regardless of failed drug tests.

That said, it continues to blow my mind that anyone cares about povetkin.

I'd have loved to see Povetkin fighting Bum Squad Wilder.

apollo creed wrote: I'd have loved to see Povetkin fighting Bum Squad Wilder.

Wilder will duck Povetkin until he's 40 years old at least.

jockpunk wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:That’s pretty controversial of the WBC!

First the WBC postpones Povetkin’s opportunity (as the mandatory challenger) for Wilder’s title, they then announce to the world that he’d allegedly “failed” a drug test, Alexander unfairly receives widespread criticism for being a “cheat”, is then subsequently cleared of any wrongdoing… and the only form of compensation he receives is an "opportunity" to "re-earn" his mandatory challenger status?

He doesn't deserve any compensation. But that isn't what this is. This is a case of a champion being injured and unable to defend his belt against his mandatory, and thus the sanctioning body is allowing that mandatory to fight for an interim belt. This happens all of the time regardless of failed drug tests.

That said, it continues to blow my mind that anyone cares about povetkin.

X2.

Thank you.

gilgamesh wrote:

apollo creed wrote: I'd have loved to see Povetkin fighting Bum Squad Wilder.

Wilder will duck Povetkin until he's 40 years old at least.

Did someone hack your account? You're not stupid.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

apollo creed wrote: I'd have loved to see Povetkin fighting Bum Squad Wilder.

Wilder will duck Povetkin until he's 40 years old at least.

Did someone hack your account? You're not stupid.

No I'm not, but I know Wilder doesn't want to fight Povetkin. He was the happiest guy in the world when he got out of the fight with Povetkin. I have such a low opinion of Wilder because he's had 4 gimme title defenses.

1 is commonplace so that was forgivable. 2 isn't unheard of. 3 is pushing it a bit. 4 means you're a fighter that will shy away from challenges at every opportunity, and I don't have much respect for fighters like that.

gilgamesh wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
Wilder will duck Povetkin until he's 40 years old at least.

Did someone hack your account? You're not stupid.

No I'm not, but I know Wilder doesn't want to fight Povetkin. He was the happiest guy in the world when he got out of the fight with Povetkin. I have such a low opinion of Wilder because he's had 4 gimme title defenses.

1 is commonplace so that was forgivable. 2 isn't unheard of. 3 is pushing it a bit. 4 means you're a fighter that will shy away from challenges at every opportunity, and I don't have much respect for fighters like that.

He was out in England training for the final few weeks waitin to fly to Russia when the fight was called off. Can't really blame Wilder there.

lefty wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
Did someone hack your account? You're not stupid.

No I'm not, but I know Wilder doesn't want to fight Povetkin. He was the happiest guy in the world when he got out of the fight with Povetkin. I have such a low opinion of Wilder because he's had 4 gimme title defenses.

1 is commonplace so that was forgivable. 2 isn't unheard of. 3 is pushing it a bit. 4 means you're a fighter that will shy away from challenges at every opportunity, and I don't have much respect for fighters like that.

He was out in England training for the final few weeks waitin to fly to Russia when the fight was called off. Can't really blame Wilder there.

I don't blame him for that fight being called off, but I guarantee you he wasn't upset about it. He was happy he didn't have to fight a real challenging opponent, and glad to come back to the States and fight a soft opponent like Arreola. Just like he'll be glad to fight a soft opponent in his next fight, and the one after that.

Povetkin UD or TKO in last rounds

gilgamesh wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
Wilder will duck Povetkin until he's 40 years old at least.

Did someone hack your account? You're not stupid.

No I'm not, but I know Wilder doesn't want to fight Povetkin. He was the happiest guy in the world when he got out of the fight with Povetkin.

That's quite stupid.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
Did someone hack your account? You're not stupid.

No I'm not, but I know Wilder doesn't want to fight Povetkin. He was the happiest guy in the world when he got out of the fight with Povetkin.

That's quite stupid.

If you say so. You can keep assuming that Wilder wants challenges while fighting bum after bum after bum if you want though.

lefty wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
Did someone hack your account? You're not stupid.

No I'm not, but I know Wilder doesn't want to fight Povetkin. He was the happiest guy in the world when he got out of the fight with Povetkin. I have such a low opinion of Wilder because he's had 4 gimme title defenses.

1 is commonplace so that was forgivable. 2 isn't unheard of. 3 is pushing it a bit. 4 means you're a fighter that will shy away from challenges at every opportunity, and I don't have much respect for fighters like that.

He was out in England training for the final few weeks waitin to fly to Russia when the fight was called off. Can't really blame Wilder there.

So '3. pushing it a little bit' jumps all the way to '4. a fighter that shy's away from challenges at every opportunity'? Bit of a drastic leap isn't it?

I think that Wilder would have fought Povetkin, and that he was doing everything to do so. However the 'drug scandal' gave him the perfect out, and the broken hand is extremely unfortunate. It was pretty clear that Wilder did not want to fight in Russia, but think he'd conceded to doing so. Circumstances gave him the perfect exit clause.

'Povetkin destroys Wilder in only 4 rounds' , if the fight would've happened.

jockpunk wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:That’s pretty controversial of the WBC!

First the WBC postpones Povetkin’s opportunity (as the mandatory challenger) for Wilder’s title, they then announce to the world that he’d allegedly “failed” a drug test, Alexander unfairly receives widespread criticism for being a “cheat”, is then subsequently cleared of any wrongdoing… and the only form of compensation he receives is an "opportunity" to "re-earn" his mandatory challenger status?

He doesn't deserve any compensation. But that isn't what this is. This is a case of a champion being injured and unable to defend his belt against his mandatory, and thus the sanctioning body is allowing that mandatory to fight for an interim belt. This happens all of the time regardless of failed drug tests.

I’m not disputing what you’re saying, because I believe you’re right.

However, the bottom line though, is this:
• Deontay Wilder will be allowed to retain ownership of the WBC heavyweight title for at least two years, without having ever faced a mandatory challenger
• Alexander Povetkin has been the “mandatory challenger” to Deontay Wilder’s world title for fifteen months, but now he has to defend his “mandatory challenger” status
• The “mandatory challenger” has to make a “mandatory” defence of his status before the world champion is obliged to perform a mandatory

Here’s a detailed list of reasons why I find the whole situation bizarrely unfair to Povetkin - based on the following points:
• Deontay Wilder won his WBC heavyweight title on the 17th January, 2015
• Povetkin became the mandatory challenger to Wilder’s WBC title on the 22nd May, 2015
• Deontay Wilder hasn’t engaged in a mandatory defence of his world title
• The WBC deprived Povetkin the opportunity to fight for Wilder’s belt at the last-minute
• Wilder was authorised to engage in another voluntary defence of his title against an over-matched opponent
• Povetkin was accused of “failing” a drug test and subsequently received widespread accusations of being a PED “cheat”
• WADA clears Povetkin’s name
• Instead of conceding their mistake, the WBC claims that Povetkin escaped a ban because they couldn’t prove any wrongdoing
• The WBC compels Povetkin to engage in a bout to retain his “mandatory” challenger status
• All Bermaine Stiverne has to do is to defeat a journeyman with a losing record to be granted an opportunity to gain the WBC interim belt and deprive Povetkin of his mandatory challenger status

gilgamesh wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
No I'm not, but I know Wilder doesn't want to fight Povetkin. He was the happiest guy in the world when he got out of the fight with Povetkin.

That's quite stupid.

If you say so. You can keep assuming that Wilder wants challenges while fighting bum after bum after bum if you want though.

I don't particularly care about Wilder or any Heavyweight past Joshua. He signed to fight Povetkin and I doubt he was happy to lose the 5 million dollar paycheck. That's the stupid part, questioning his opposition is quite valid. I honestly think he'd fight anyone, Al might not want it, but he does. Either way, he's definitely shown an interest in fighting Povetkin. To be that blind is absurd, you're better than that.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
That's quite stupid.

If you say so. You can keep assuming that Wilder wants challenges while fighting bum after bum after bum if you want though.

I don't particularly care about Wilder or any Heavyweight past Joshua. He signed to fight Povetkin and I doubt he was happy to lose the 5 million dollar paycheck. That's the stupid part, questioning his opposition is quite valid. I honestly think he'd fight anyone, Al might not want it, but he does. Either way, he's definitely shown an interest in fighting Povetkin. To be that blind is absurd, you're better than that.

How has he shown an interest in fighting Povetkin? It was his mandatory challenger and he had no choice, as soon as he was given an out he'll take that out and never look back. I doubt he ever negotiates with Povetkin again.

gilgamesh wrote:

apollo creed wrote: I'd have loved to see Povetkin fighting Bum Squad Wilder.

Wilder will duck Povetkin until he's 40 years old at least.

gilgamesh wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
If you say so. You can keep assuming that Wilder wants challenges while fighting bum after bum after bum if you want though.

I don't particularly care about Wilder or any Heavyweight past Joshua. He signed to fight Povetkin and I doubt he was happy to lose the 5 million dollar paycheck. That's the stupid part, questioning his opposition is quite valid. I honestly think he'd fight anyone, Al might not want it, but he does. Either way, he's definitely shown an interest in fighting Povetkin. To be that blind is absurd, you're better than that.

How has he shown an interest in fighting Povetkin? It was his mandatory challenger and he had no choice, as soon as he was given an out he'll take that out and never look back. I doubt he ever negotiates with Povetkin again.

How? By agreeing to the fight. If it wasn't for that drug the test the fight would have happened. He was on his way to Russia. He could have dropped the belt. I still think your account is hacked.

Enlightened-One wrote:However, the bottom line though, is this:

• Deontay Wilder will be allowed to retain ownership of the WBC heavyweight title for at least two years, without having ever faced a mandatory challenger
• Alexander Povetkin has been the “mandatory challenger” to Deontay Wilder’s world title for fifteen months, but now he has to defend his “mandatory challenger” status
• The “mandatory challenger” has to make a “mandatory” defence of his status before the world champion is obliged to perform a mandatory

Here’s a detailed list of reasons why I find the whole situation bizarrely unfair to Povetkin - based on the following points:
• Deontay Wilder won his WBC heavyweight title on the 17th January, 2015
• Povetkin became the mandatory challenger to Wilder’s WBC title on the 22nd May, 2015
• Deontay Wilder hasn’t engaged in a mandatory defence of his world title
• The WBC deprived Povetkin the opportunity to fight for Wilder’s belt at the last-minute
• Wilder was authorised to engage in another voluntary defence of his title against an over-matched opponent
• Povetkin was accused of “failing” a drug test and subsequently received widespread accusations of being a PED “cheat”
• WADA clears Povetkin’s name
• Instead of conceding their mistake, the WBC claims that Povetkin escaped a ban because they couldn’t prove any wrongdoing
• The WBC compels Povetkin to engage in a bout to retain his “mandatory” challenger status
• All Bermaine Stiverne has to do is to defeat a journeyman with a losing record to be granted an opportunity to gain the WBC interim belt and deprive Povetkin of his mandatory challenger status

Excellent post!

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:
I don't particularly care about Wilder or any Heavyweight past Joshua. He signed to fight Povetkin and I doubt he was happy to lose the 5 million dollar paycheck. That's the stupid part, questioning his opposition is quite valid. I honestly think he'd fight anyone, Al might not want it, but he does. Either way, he's definitely shown an interest in fighting Povetkin. To be that blind is absurd, you're better than that.

How has he shown an interest in fighting Povetkin? It was his mandatory challenger and he had no choice, as soon as he was given an out he'll take that out and never look back. I doubt he ever negotiates with Povetkin again.

How? By agreeing to the fight. If it wasn't for that drug the test the fight would have happened. He was on his way to Russia. He could have dropped the belt. I still think your account is hacked.

All I'm saying is Wilder will never again speak of fighting Povetkin. He got the out he wanted, and now he'll be fighting guys below the Top 15 for as long as he can. He'll eventually fight a big name opponent like Joshua for a crazy ass payday, but he won't talk of fighting Povetkin ever again.

I don't think he wanted an out at all. Either way that's extreme speculation on your part. He did everything he could to make that fight. Much more willing than Povetkin was to fight wlad.

Coming off the Stiverne fight, I thought Wilder would win.
Now, something seems strange.

It seems like the PBC is trying to cash Wilder out against Joshua.
Especially if the failed test was some kind of shady dealing.

But if the drug test was a honest mix-up, how can you act like Wilder wasn't in Russia ready to fight?
As is, I don't think fans are being fair to Wilder in this instance.