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It's only a pound but I think Canelo was really struggling to make 155, so dropping another pound to make 154 I guess it will be very hard for him. Smith may have a great chance to shock the world.

No. 1 pound isn't gonna be the ruin of a guy.

Has Canelo looked weight-drained and "weak" in any of his recent bouts? I don't see any obvious evidence that suggests that this is the case.

Floyd, Manny, Hopkins and Jones Jr. would be great even if every judge was told to take 4 rounds from them.
That's why they are modern ATGs.

Canelo needs help. And lots of it. Not the fake help you Floyd hater saw. But real, crooked, help.
He never was an authentic boxing product from the start.

If you remove Trout, Lara, Mayweather and Cotto his entire resume falls apart.
I think Lara, Charlo, Charlo, Andrade, and Williams all perform similar to Canelo in his resume.
That tells me Canelo is not special.
He is of regular fighter stock.
Not a Floyd, not a Manny, not a Jones Jr.

Just a red-headed money maker. I would leave him alone if fans rated him as he is.
Give Lara, Andrade or Charlo a crack at Cotto.

Just for the record, Andrade would school Canelo.

If you remove the top 4 names from anybody's record it would fall apart FFS

It's interesting how he's still able to boil down from 175-180 lbs to 154 and still perform at a world level without being drained and lethargic.

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:Floyd, Manny, Hopkins and Jones Jr. would be great even if every judge was told to take 4 rounds from them.
That's why they are modern ATGs.

Canelo needs help. And lots of it. Not the fake help you Floyd hater saw. But real, crooked, help.
He never was an authentic boxing product from the start.

If you remove Trout, Lara, Mayweather and Cotto his entire resume falls apart.
I think Lara, Charlo, Charlo, Andrade, and Williams all perform similar to Canelo in his resume.
That tells me Canelo is not special.
He is of regular fighter stock.
Not a Floyd, not a Manny, not a Jones Jr.

Just a red-headed money maker. I would leave him alone if fans rated him as he is.
Give Lara, Andrade or Charlo a crack at Cotto.

Just for the record, Andrade would school Canelo.

What a pile of manure you talk!

Stuarty30 wrote:

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:Floyd, Manny, Hopkins and Jones Jr. would be great even if every judge was told to take 4 rounds from them.
That's why they are modern ATGs.

Canelo needs help. And lots of it. Not the fake help you Floyd hater saw. But real, crooked, help.
He never was an authentic boxing product from the start.

If you remove Trout, Lara, Mayweather and Cotto his entire resume falls apart.
I think Lara, Charlo, Charlo, Andrade, and Williams all perform similar to Canelo in his resume.
That tells me Canelo is not special.
He is of regular fighter stock.
Not a Floyd, not a Manny, not a Jones Jr.

Just a red-headed money maker. I would leave him alone if fans rated him as he is.
Give Lara, Andrade or Charlo a crack at Cotto.

Just for the record, Andrade would school Canelo.

What a pile of manure you talk!

apollo creed wrote:It's only a pound but I think Canelo was really struggling to make 155, so dropping another pound to make 154 I guess it will be very hard for him. Smith may have a great chance to shock the world.

No and no.

If Saul is repeatedly requesting 155-pound catchweights for middleweight fights, then he perceives himself as smaller than the average middleweight and capable of cutting down to a smaller size. He may even be worried that he'll be at a disadvantage if he fights at 160. Based on all of these conclusions, I am pretty confident that he isn't struggling too badly to hit 155, nor would he be for 154.

If Canelo was fighting one of the top JMWs, then that pound could've made a difference, but against Smith, it won't matter.

boxing_rocks wrote:If Canelo was fighting one of the top JMWs, then that pound could've made a difference, but against Smith, it won't matter.

1 pound never made a difference in any fight...ever

Lackeos wrote:If Saul is repeatedly requesting 155-pound catchweights for middleweight fights, then he perceives himself as smaller than the average middleweight and capable of cutting down to a smaller size. He may even be worried that he'll be at a disadvantage if he fights at 160. Based on all of these conclusions, I am pretty confident that he isn't struggling too badly to hit 155, nor would he be for 154.

Lackeos wrote:If Saul is repeatedly requesting 155-pound catchweights for middleweight fights, then he perceives himself as smaller than the average middleweight and capable of cutting down to a smaller size. He may even be worried that he'll be at a disadvantage if he fights at 160. Based on all of these conclusions, I am pretty confident that he isn't struggling too badly to hit 155, nor would he be for 154.

He requests 155 for his fights because he doesn't wanna face GGG at 160 because he's chickensh*t. If GGG suddenly went up to 168, Canelo's next fight would be at 160.

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:If you remove Trout, Lara, Mayweather and Cotto Canelo's entire resume falls apart.

Using your logic and assuming that Golovkin has never faced opposition as good as "Trout, Lara, Mayweather and Cotto", does that mean GGG's resume is worthless and decimated?

Enlightened-One wrote:

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:If you remove Trout, Lara, Mayweather and Cotto Canelo's entire resume falls apart.

Using your logic and assuming that Golovkin has never faced opposition as good as "Trout, Lara, Mayweather and Cotto", does that mean GGG's resume is worthless and decimated?

Except Mayweather and arguably Lara and Trout defeated Canelo. Cotto is not a top JMW.

boxing_rocks wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:If you remove Trout, Lara, Mayweather and Cotto Canelo's entire resume falls apart.

Using your logic and assuming that Golovkin has never faced opposition as good as "Trout, Lara, Mayweather and Cotto", does that mean GGG's resume is worthless and decimated?

Except Mayweather and arguably Lara and Trout defeated Canelo. Cotto is not a top JMW.

I think you're missing the point of the argument being proposed.

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:Floyd, Manny, Hopkins and Jones Jr. would be great even if every judge was told to take 4 rounds from them.
That's why they are modern ATGs.

Canelo needs help. And lots of it. Not the fake help you Floyd hater saw. But real, crooked, help.
He never was an authentic boxing product from the start.

If you remove Trout, Lara, Mayweather and Cotto his entire resume falls apart.
I think Lara, Charlo, Charlo, Andrade, and Williams all perform similar to Canelo in his resume.
That tells me Canelo is not special.
He is of regular fighter stock.
Not a Floyd, not a Manny, not a Jones Jr.

Just a red-headed money maker. I would leave him alone if fans rated him as he is.
Give Lara, Andrade or Charlo a crack at Cotto.

Just for the record, Andrade would school Canelo.

I largely agree - to me Canelo beat Trout by a single point, Lara fight was a draw and he beat Cotton by 2 points and no way did he win more than 3 rounds vs Mayweather. He's a good boxer, but not great.

apollo creed wrote:It's only a pound but I think Canelo was really struggling to make 155, so dropping another pound to make 154 I guess it will be very hard for him. Smith may have a great chance to shock the world.

Canelo says he was weakened by having to make 152lb for the Mayweather fight. He's a known big drainer, although I personally don't believe Amir Khan's claim that he weighed 187lb for their fight - I can't see him putting on 32lb post weigh in - I think 175lb is probably nearer the mark. Canelo has always had suspect stamina and generally throws less than 40 punches per round, I have to question how much of this is due to his weight draining and whether his stamina and output would increase if he weighed in at the full middleweight limit. All that said, I doubt draining an extra pound will make a noticeable difference and I expect to see the normal Canelo against Smith, though I agree Smith is a live underdog.

jezzamundo wrote:

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:Floyd, Manny, Hopkins and Jones Jr. would be great even if every judge was told to take 4 rounds from them.
That's why they are modern ATGs.

Canelo needs help. And lots of it. Not the fake help you Floyd hater saw. But real, crooked, help.
He never was an authentic boxing product from the start.

If you remove Trout, Lara, Mayweather and Cotto his entire resume falls apart.
I think Lara, Charlo, Charlo, Andrade, and Williams all perform similar to Canelo in his resume.
That tells me Canelo is not special.
He is of regular fighter stock.
Not a Floyd, not a Manny, not a Jones Jr.

Just a red-headed money maker. I would leave him alone if fans rated him as he is.
Give Lara, Andrade or Charlo a crack at Cotto.

Just for the record, Andrade would school Canelo.

I largely agree - to me Canelo beat Trout by a single point, Lara fight was a draw and he beat Cotton by 2 points and no way did he win more than 3 rounds vs Mayweather. He's a good boxer, but not great.

He beat Lara clearly IMO. I thought the Cotto fight was damn near a shutout for Canelo. Canelo landed the better, harder shots in virtually every single round in that fight. I'll never understand people acting like the Cotto and Lara fights of his are controversial. They were clear.

gilgamesh wrote:

jezzamundo wrote:

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:Floyd, Manny, Hopkins and Jones Jr. would be great even if every judge was told to take 4 rounds from them.
That's why they are modern ATGs.

Canelo needs help. And lots of it. Not the fake help you Floyd hater saw. But real, crooked, help.
He never was an authentic boxing product from the start.

If you remove Trout, Lara, Mayweather and Cotto his entire resume falls apart.
I think Lara, Charlo, Charlo, Andrade, and Williams all perform similar to Canelo in his resume.
That tells me Canelo is not special.
He is of regular fighter stock.
Not a Floyd, not a Manny, not a Jones Jr.

Just a red-headed money maker. I would leave him alone if fans rated him as he is.
Give Lara, Andrade or Charlo a crack at Cotto.

Just for the record, Andrade would school Canelo.

I largely agree - to me Canelo beat Trout by a single point, Lara fight was a draw and he beat Cotton by 2 points and no way did he win more than 3 rounds vs Mayweather. He's a good boxer, but not great.

He beat Lara clearly IMO. I thought the Cotto fight was damn near a shutout for Canelo. Canelo landed the better, harder shots in virtually every single round in that fight. I'll never understand people acting like the Cotto and Lara fights of his are controversial. They were clear.

We'll have to agree to disagree - everyone scores fights differently, I think the judges have been very kind to Canelo in recent times. I have no problem with Canelo winning the Lars fight, but it was close. Judges for the Trout and Cotton fights were way off IMO.

Is Smith the poorest version of Canelo ? Technically how this fight will go ?

Lara vs Canelo was a very close fight. It was Lara's to win but he chose to run a little too much and pissed the judges off. Canelo looked stupid/confused for several rounds of the fight, and won basically on about 50 or 60 body shots, since he only touched Lara about 5 times total in the head. To say it was a clear win either way is wrong.

Canelo won in a close fight vs Trout, and think it would have gone differently if not for the open scoring.

Bad Intentions is right, Andrade would school Canelo. Better over-all skills than Lara, with more punch, height, and reach. Canelo will continue to steer clear of him.

jezzamundo wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

jezzamundo wrote:
I largely agree - to me Canelo beat Trout by a single point, Lara fight was a draw and he beat Cotton by 2 points and no way did he win more than 3 rounds vs Mayweather. He's a good boxer, but not great.

He beat Lara clearly IMO. I thought the Cotto fight was damn near a shutout for Canelo. Canelo landed the better, harder shots in virtually every single round in that fight. I'll never understand people acting like the Cotto and Lara fights of his are controversial. They were clear.

We'll have to agree to disagree - everyone scores fights differently, I think the judges have been very kind to Canelo in recent times. I have no problem with Canelo winning the Lars fight, but it was close. Judges for the Trout and Cotton fights were way off IMO.

I agree on the Trout fight. I thought Trout won against Canelo personally, but it was close so I can't argue too hard about it. I thought he beat Cotto 11 rounds to 1. Cotto moved better and used his jab more, but just about every significant power punch all fight long was from Canelo, even his jabs were harder.

gilgamesh wrote:

jezzamundo wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
He beat Lara clearly IMO. I thought the Cotto fight was damn near a shutout for Canelo. Canelo landed the better, harder shots in virtually every single round in that fight. I'll never understand people acting like the Cotto and Lara fights of his are controversial. They were clear.

We'll have to agree to disagree - everyone scores fights differently, I think the judges have been very kind to Canelo in recent times. I have no problem with Canelo winning the Lars fight, but it was close. Judges for the Trout and Cotton fights were way off IMO.

I agree on the Trout fight. I thought Trout won against Canelo personally, but it was close so I can't argue too hard about it. I thought he beat Cotto 11 rounds to 1. Cotto moved better and used his jab more, but just about every significant power punch all fight long was from Canelo, even his jabs were harder.

Maybe because he was 15-20 pounds heavier.

He landed very few punches on Lara. He clearly had one if not two pocket judges in Lara and Trout fights and one in Mayweather fight.