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had a combined record of 77 wins (61 KOs), 0 losses. What does that mean?

9-12-15 - Gary Cornish 21-0(12 KO's) - best win Ivica Perkovic 20-22
12-12-15 - Dillian Whyte 16-0(13 KO's) - best win Brian Minto 41-9
4-9-16 - Charles Martin 23-0-1(21 KO's) - best win Czar Glazkov 21-0-1(13) (by injury)
6-25-16 - Dominic Breazeale 17-0(15 KO's) - best win Amir Mansour 22-1-1(16) (by injury)

Ruthless-RKO wrote:had a combined record of 77 wins (61 KOs), 0 losses. What does that mean?

9-12-15 - Gary Cornish 21-0(12 KO's) - best win Ivica Perkovic 20-22
12-12-15 - Dillian Whyte 16-0(13 KO's) - best win Brian Minto 41-9
4-9-16 - Charles Martin 23-0-1(21 KO's) - best win Czar Glazkov 21-0-1(13) (by injury)
6-25-16 - Dominic Breazeale 17-0(15 KO's) - best win Amir Mansour 22-1-1(16) (by injury)

Nothing just numbers, you'll probably struggle to find a heavyweight belt holder with one defence under his belt who has better numbers in their last 4 than that, but look at the records of any dominant heavy from history and their last 4 after 1 defence will far surpass Joshuas opponents in terms of quality

Cornish and Whyte are British level fighters, not european quality and far from world class. Martin and Breazeale aren't world class either, anyone can have an impressive record if they fight nobodies.

I guess it means kalan is introducing another alias to botp. Welcome kalan ,#5! Welcome to ignore.

Ruthless-RKO wrote:had a combined record of 77 wins (61 KOs), 0 losses. What does that mean?

9-12-15 - Gary Cornish 21-0(12 KO's) - best win Ivica Perkovic 20-22
12-12-15 - Dillian Whyte 16-0(13 KO's) - best win Brian Minto 41-9
4-9-16 - Charles Martin 23-0-1(21 KO's) - best win Czar Glazkov 21-0-1(13) (by injury)
6-25-16 - Dominic Breazeale 17-0(15 KO's) - best win Amir Mansour 22-1-1(16) (by injury)

It means it's not difficult to pad a record out these days.

What do you think it means?

Ruthless-RKO wrote:had a combined record of 77 wins (61 KOs), 0 losses. What does that mean?

9-12-15 - Gary Cornish 21-0(12 KO's) - best win Ivica Perkovic 20-22
12-12-15 - Dillian Whyte 16-0(13 KO's) - best win Brian Minto 41-9
4-9-16 - Charles Martin 23-0-1(21 KO's) - best win Czar Glazkov 21-0-1(13) (by injury)
6-25-16 - Dominic Breazeale 17-0(15 KO's) - best win Amir Mansour 22-1-1(16) (by injury)

It means that not one of them signed to fight Wilt Chamberlain & all four of them ducked Mike McCallum.

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Ruthless-RKO wrote:had a combined record of 77 wins (61 KOs), 0 losses. What does that mean?

9-12-15 - Gary Cornish 21-0(12 KO's) - best win Ivica Perkovic 20-22
12-12-15 - Dillian Whyte 16-0(13 KO's) - best win Brian Minto 41-9
4-9-16 - Charles Martin 23-0-1(21 KO's) - best win Czar Glazkov 21-0-1(13) (by injury)
6-25-16 - Dominic Breazeale 17-0(15 KO's) - best win Amir Mansour 22-1-1(16) (by injury)

Nothing just numbers, you'll probably struggle to find a heavyweight belt holder with one defence under his belt who has better numbers in their last 4 than that, but look at the records of any dominant heavy from history and their last 4 after 1 defence will far surpass Joshuas opponents in terms of quality

Last 4 opponents after 1 defense of Heavyweight Title for the following:

Jim Jeffries: (2) Tom Sharkey 30-2-6... (2) Bob Fitzsimmons 52-3-3... Bob Armstrong 10-5-4... Pete Everett 22-3

Jack Johnson: Jack O'Brien 95-5-14... Tommy Burns 42-2-8... Ben Taylor 23-13-3... Jim Flynn 33-8-13

Jack Dempsey: Billy Miske 28-1-2... Jess Willard 21-3-1... Gunboat Smith 48-17-7... Carl Morris 41-6-1

Gene Tunney: Tom Heeney 32-8-5... (2) Jack Dempsey 54-5-9... Dan O'Dowd 15-18-1... Johnny Risko 13-5

Joe Louis: Timmy Farr 68-24-17... Jim Braddock 45-23-4... Natie Brown 32-22-7... Bob Pastor 21-1-2

Rocky Marciano: (2) Joe Walcott 51-17-2... Harry Matthews 81-3-5.... Bernie Reynolds 51-9-1... Gino Buonvino 24-14-8

Muhammad Ali: (2) Sonny Liston 35-2... Henry Cooper 27-8-1... Doug Jones 21-3-1... Charlie Powell 23-6-3

Lennox Lewis: Frank Bruno 36-3... Tony Tucker 48-1... Razor Ruddock 27-3-1... Mike Dixon 10-5

Vitali Klitschko... Juan Carlos Gomez 44-1... Samuel Peter 30-1... Danny Williams 32-3... Corrie Sanders 39-2

You guys condemn Martin and Breazeale for winning because of injury and laud Lennox Lewis for being behind on all scorecards but still winning because of injury versus Klitschko... You can't have it both ways... Breazeale was behind on all cards when a bitten tongue forced Mansour out... Martin-Glazkov was even on all cards after 2, but looked like he was taking control when Glazkov blew a knee... I had Martin winning both rounds.. One judge had Martin winning both rounds, 1 had it even, and 1 had Glazkov winning.

Not to forget Larry Holmes: Alfredo Evangelista 23-2-1... Ken Norton 40-4... Earnie Shavers 54-6... Ibar Arrington 22-3-1

I think from all those results you can conclude that Joshua hasn't fought the worst cream puffs of the group.. His 4 averaged 6'5" X 250 and were unbeaten

Kalan wrote:Not to forget Larry Holmes: Alfredo Evangelista 23-2-1... Ken Norton 40-4... Earnie Shavers 54-6... Ibar Arrington 22-3-1

I think from all those results you can conclude that Joshua hasn't fought the worst cream puffs of the group.. His 4 averaged 6'5" X 250 and were unbeaten

If their tits were weighed and subtracted it would take the average down to 200lbs.

Tomasino wrote:

Kalan wrote:Not to forget Larry Holmes: Alfredo Evangelista 23-2-1... Ken Norton 40-4... Earnie Shavers 54-6... Ibar Arrington 22-3-1

I think from all those results you can conclude that Joshua hasn't fought the worst cream puffs of the group.. His 4 averaged 6'5" X 250 and were unbeaten

If their tits were weighed and subtracted it would take the average down to 200lbs.

Earnie Shavers or Ken Norton would've beaten the sh*t out of all 4 of Joshua's 4 most recent opponents.

Come to think of it Tyson was dominant for a couple years: James Smith 19-5... Trevor Berbick 31-4-1... Alfonzo Ratliff 21-3... Jose Ribalta 22-3-1

Far from a stellar group of opponents.

gilgamesh wrote:

Tomasino wrote:

Kalan wrote:Not to forget Larry Holmes: Alfredo Evangelista 23-2-1... Ken Norton 40-4... Earnie Shavers 54-6... Ibar Arrington 22-3-1

I think from all those results you can conclude that Joshua hasn't fought the worst cream puffs of the group.. His 4 averaged 6'5" X 250 and were unbeaten

If their tits were weighed and subtracted it would take the average down to 200lbs.

Earnie Shavers or Ken Norton would've beaten the sh*t out of all 4 of Joshua's 4 most recent opponents.

They wouldn't have taken Whyte or Breazeale... Not with Norton's glass chin and Shavers' glass chin... Quarry, Stander, and Cobb all clubbed Shavers out.

Among many others who clubbed Shavers out... Some of them non-hitters

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Ruthless-RKO wrote:had a combined record of 77 wins (61 KOs), 0 losses. What does that mean?

9-12-15 - Gary Cornish 21-0(12 KO's) - best win Ivica Perkovic 20-22
12-12-15 - Dillian Whyte 16-0(13 KO's) - best win Brian Minto 41-9
4-9-16 - Charles Martin 23-0-1(21 KO's) - best win Czar Glazkov 21-0-1(13) (by injury)
6-25-16 - Dominic Breazeale 17-0(15 KO's) - best win Amir Mansour 22-1-1(16) (by injury)

It means that not one of them signed to fight Wilt Chamberlain & all four of them ducked Mike McCallum.

Lmao, spot on

Stander had bigger tits than any of Joshua's opponents... They really bounced as he danced in his corner prior to knocking out Earnie Shavers.

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Syntax Error wrote:

Ruthless-RKO wrote:had a combined record of 77 wins (61 KOs), 0 losses. What does that mean?

9-12-15 - Gary Cornish 21-0(12 KO's) - best win Ivica Perkovic 20-22
12-12-15 - Dillian Whyte 16-0(13 KO's) - best win Brian Minto 41-9
4-9-16 - Charles Martin 23-0-1(21 KO's) - best win Czar Glazkov 21-0-1(13) (by injury)
6-25-16 - Dominic Breazeale 17-0(15 KO's) - best win Amir Mansour 22-1-1(16) (by injury)

It means that not one of them signed to fight Wilt Chamberlain & all four of them ducked Mike McCallum.

Lmao, spot on

As I recall NONE of those guys did TV and promotional interviews to hype a fight with Wilt Chamberlain as Ali did... and NONE had legal teams that drew up a binding legal agreement to fight Muhammad Ali, such as Wilt Chamberlain had. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mF57P1uUG0s

Kalan wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:

Tomasino wrote:

If their tits were weighed and subtracted it would take the average down to 200lbs.

Earnie Shavers or Ken Norton would've beaten the sh*t out of all 4 of Joshua's 4 most recent opponents.

They wouldn't have taken Whyte or Breazeale... Not with Norton's glass chin and Shavers' glass chin... Quarry, Stander, and Cobb all clubbed Shavers out.

Breazeale sucks ass. Whyte hasn't impressed me much either though he has more potential than Breazeale.

Kalan wrote:Stander had bigger tits than any of Joshua's opponents... They really bounced as he danced in his corner prior to knocking out Earnie Shavers.

Kalan.....have the tits been distracting you from keeping a close eye on the boxing exchanges going on between the fighters?

This could go a long way toward explaining things.

gilgamesh wrote:

Kalan wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
Earnie Shavers or Ken Norton would've beaten the sh*t out of all 4 of Joshua's 4 most recent opponents.

They wouldn't have taken Whyte or Breazeale... Not with Norton's glass chin and Shavers' glass chin... Quarry, Stander, and Cobb all clubbed Shavers out.

Breazeale sucks ass. Whyte hasn't impressed me much either though he has more potential than Breazeale.

Shavers couldn't beat Breazeale this is unreal stuff

I'd bet the Ernie Shavers of today could take Brezeale.

Breazeale has been stopped once---by perfect KO record, 100% KO artist Anthony Joshua, who pounded him for 7 rounds... But Shavers was stopped by such underwhelming finishers as Ron Stander.. Randall Cobb.. Larry Holmes.. and Brian Yates

You may want to know who Brian Yates was... Yates had a 6% KO ratio... He stopped 6 of 102 opponents while losing 86 fights... Yet he knocked out Shavers

Has Joshua retired again ?

gilgamesh wrote:

Kalan wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:
Earnie Shavers or Ken Norton would've beaten the sh*t out of all 4 of Joshua's 4 most recent opponents.

They wouldn't have taken Whyte or Breazeale... Not with Norton's glass chin and Shavers' glass chin... Quarry, Stander, and Cobb all clubbed Shavers out.

Breazeale sucks ass. Whyte hasn't impressed me much either though he has more potential than Breazeale.

Breazeale doesn't impress me at all... except for his size, height, reach and his chin.. and his raw athletic ability which hasn't been put to good use so far - because everything he does inside that ring sucks to beat Hell.. However I don't think a 188-pound swinger, as Jose Luis Garcia was at the time he fought Norton, would plow Breazeale... Norton impressed me with his weak chin on that occasion... and his cross-armed defense had a ton of holes in it.. Breazeale will wind up like Norton if he doesn't get a boxing coach.. For the life of me I don't understand how potentially good boxers will tolerate a coach who isn't teaching them anything.

Kalan wrote:Breazeale has been stopped once---by perfect KO record, 100% KO artist Anthony Joshua, who pounded him for 7 rounds... But Shavers was stopped by such underwhelming finishers as Ron Stander.. Randall Cobb.. Larry Holmes.. and Brian Yates

You may want to know who Brian Yates was... Yates had a 6% KO ratio... He stopped 6 of 102 opponents while losing 86 fights... Yet he knocked out Shavers

In 1995...that's kinda an important detail you left out there. Shavers has already retired for a 4 year stretch, and an 8 year stretch when he lost to Brian Yates. He was far beyond finished as a fighter of any significance by that point. Once again you simply cannot grasp that fighters age. You act as if Shavers losing to Brian Yates at 50 years old is somehow indicative of what he was capable of at his best. A truly laughable thought.

Shavers in his prime knocks out Breazeale in the 1st or 2nd round.

Shavers couldn't KO hopeless Ron Stander in his prime... And Yates wouldn't KO Breazeale if he were 60.