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“We wuz robbed, we wuz robbed”

Posted: 24 Aug 2016, 21:16
by APerno
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Was the Schmeling-Sharkey II (1932) decision an American conspiracy?

I don’t have any proof whatsoever, but the bad decision has some interesting caveats associated with it:

• By 1931 the National Socialists (Nazis) had gained a plurality in the Reichstag and were already promoting Aryan supremacy through sport. (Of course this reached its apex in the ’36 Olympics.)

• Fear that the Germans (Nazis) or any foreign nation would try to hold the heavyweight championship hostage.

• Jewish-American influence in the sport (promoters/managers). I realize Schmeling's manager, Yussle “Joe” Jacobs, was an American Jew but his position was on tenterhooks as the Nazis grew stronger.

• Schmeling’s (boring) style; Schmeling was an accomplished boxer, but most Americans were waiting for the next ‘Dempsey’ and Schmeling wasn’t delivering the desired action; gate receipts were declining and many believed an American Champion would draw better. (It is more likely that the Great Depression was the real cause.)

There is little doubt that Braddock’s people denied Schmeling his deserved shot in ’37 for some of the above reasons, but I am not sure if American fears were as great in ’32.

By 1937 everyone believed that whoever Braddock fought next, Louis or Schmeling, would likely become the next heavyweight champion; there is reason to believe that Braddock himself believed this and that is why Braddock ducked Schmeling in ’37.

A digression: I once read, but have never been able to confirm since, that Louis’ people offered Braddock 10% of all Louis’ purses for the next ten years, if he broke his contract with Schmeling and fought Louis instead. Anyone know if this is true?

Re: “We wuz robbed, we wuz robbed”

Posted: 24 Aug 2016, 23:02
by BroughtonRulesRefuge
- The powerful NY commish blocked Max because they feared Hitler would keep the title in Germany.

And yeah, Braddock got a % of Louis for some years, but the amount and duration varies by source. The best of Max came out upon his death when tabloids and fans accused him of being a Nazi. He never joined the party, and in fact after the Louis loss was punished by being shipped to the front as a paratrooper. Busted up in a bad landing, he was captured by allies who treated him better than Hitler. Two elderly Jewish brothers revealed that Max had hid them in his hotel room until they could be smuggled out of Germany. Their parents perished and US tabloids and dummy fans crumbled.

The funny part of his career came when his Jewish manager, Joe Jacobs, jumped in a German ring to celebrate a Max win as the crowd stood up shouting the Nazi salute. That tiny Jew took his cigar out of his mouth and made a Nazi salute with it that caused headquarters to go bonkers. Max stood by Jacobs, and the irony was it was the NY commish who suspended Jacobs before the Louis rematch which contributed to Max's flat performance.

Boxing as dirty then as now and into the foreseeable future.

Re: “We wuz robbed, we wuz robbed”

Posted: 25 Aug 2016, 10:53
by Ambling Alp II
Was the first Schmeling-Sharkey fight where the referee stopped the fight because of a low blow that he did not see a conspiracy?

Re: “We wuz robbed, we wuz robbed”

Posted: 25 Aug 2016, 17:29
by APerno
Ambling Alp II wrote:Was the first Schmeling-Sharkey fight where the referee stopped the fight because of a low blow that he did not see a conspiracy?
Am I the "he" you are referring to? - If so, I don't necessarily see the second fight as being a conspiracy, I was just speculating because of something I recently read - But I do remember that in the first fight, when Schmeling went down clutching his groin, someone at ringside, with clot (I do not remember the person's name, maybe an important newspaper reporter) started yelling at the ring/referee something to the effect 'you better give him the fight or I will ruin you" and thus the ref panicked and awarded the fight to Schmeling. - But I am saying this off the top of my head, I am not sure how the story actually goes. - But I repeat I wasn't saying the second fight was a conspiracy, I was just wondering out loud.

Re: “We wuz robbed, we wuz robbed”

Posted: 29 Aug 2016, 00:39
by Kalan
Schmeling was robbed versus Sharkey and he was robbed of a title shot when he scored the upset KO over Louis... If he were an American I'm sure those things wouldn't have happened to him -- but this is the world we live in, especially Boxing.. It's full of bias, hate, cheating, and double dealing.. In order to turn that around Boxing would need powerful forces for good -- such as happened in golf, tennis, and other individual sports.