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So the fight was a draw. Ray down twice in the fight.

How did you guys see the fight? Did Hearns deserve the win?

I didnt score it but i thought Hearns done more than enough to win it

Tommy definitely won, I had 115-111. Not too many swing rounds in the fight. Close and clear.

A definitely big time win for the great Thomas Hearns! A draw my ass!

I had it 114-112 Hearns. Could've been a draw without the 2 knockdowns, but the 2 knockdowns definitely give Tommy the edge

gilgamesh wrote:I had it 114-112 Hearns. Could've been a draw without the 2 knockdowns, but the 2 knockdowns definitely give Tommy the edge

Leonard could have had a 2 pt round in the 12th if not for the fact that Tommy had him hurt pretty seriously at the start of the round.Primadonna BS and fake personna aside, Ray was one of the toughest SOB's to ever enter a ring

can anyone put up the judges score cards?

I was sure that Leonard would win the 2nd fight even more comprehensive But I was sure wrong it was a WAR that The Hitman surely won

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:I had it 114-112 Hearns. Could've been a draw without the 2 knockdowns, but the 2 knockdowns definitely give Tommy the edge

Leonard could have had a 2 pt round in the 12th if not for the fact that Tommy had him hurt pretty seriously at the start of the round.Primadonna BS and fake personna aside, Ray was one of the toughest SOB's to ever enter a ring

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:I had it 114-112 Hearns. Could've been a draw without the 2 knockdowns, but the 2 knockdowns definitely give Tommy the edge

Leonard could have had a 2 pt round in the 12th if not for the fact that Tommy had him hurt pretty seriously at the start of the round.Primadonna BS and fake personna aside, Ray was one of the toughest SOB's to ever enter a ring

True. And this is also why it's so gauling that he helped fukk up boxing in his later career

Very bad decision this one, clear win for the hitman

I had Hearns winning, I think most people did, even SRL later admitted he thought Hearns should've got the decision.



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mimmy123 wrote:can anyone put up the judges score cards?

Judge: Tom Kaczmarek 113-112 (Leonard)
Judge: Dalby Shirley 112-112 (Draw)
Judge: Jerry Roth 112-113 (Hearns)

Hearns win in this fight.

Hearns won the fight, but Leonard made it closer than many think.

Both were past their respective bests, but they brought the best out in each other.

Tommy learned a valuable lesson from their first fight & that's how he was able to survive at the end when Sugar was laying it on him.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:I had it 114-112 Hearns. Could've been a draw without the 2 knockdowns, but the 2 knockdowns definitely give Tommy the edge

Leonard could have had a 2 pt round in the 12th if not for the fact that Tommy had him hurt pretty seriously at the start of the round.Primadonna BS and fake personna aside, Ray was one of the toughest SOB's to ever enter a ring

Too true.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

gilgamesh wrote:I had it 114-112 Hearns. Could've been a draw without the 2 knockdowns, but the 2 knockdowns definitely give Tommy the edge

Leonard could have had a 2 pt round in the 12th if not for the fact that Tommy had him hurt pretty seriously at the start of the round.Primadonna BS and fake personna aside, Ray was one of the toughest SOB's to ever enter a ring

Tommy was whaling away as tim ryan put it ,that first minute.i dont recall ray landing one punch that first minute of the 12th.

His toughness and heart is what elevates ray more so than his flamboyant speed and skills to one of the very top ATG"s...

The fight showed the vulnerability of both fighters... Hearns was rocking and reeling all over the ring without going down.. Leonard tagged Tommy up real good.. Leonard was making faces at Hearns when he was decked by a sharp right -- he could have done better I thought.. Leonard-Duran III was more than 9 years after their 1st battle.. Nobody cared.. There was no reason in the world to do the fight.

I imagine Terry Norris was watching Leonard's efforts v Hearns and Duran and licking his lips... He told an interviewer "Leonard can't beat me. He's an old man."

Norris also once said of hearns. ."hell no, why would I?"

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Norris also once said of hearns. ."hell no, why would I?"

No great surprise he said that, Hearns would have obliterated him IMO. Norris wanted to fight Chavez

bollox wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Norris also once said of hearns. ."hell no, why would I?"

No great surprise he said that, Hearns would have obliterated him IMO. Norris wanted to fight Chavez

Terry would have fought anyone. I should be more careful making fun of kalan. Terry would have smoked Chavez.

The srl of the norris fight had deteriorated considerably from the 3rd duran fight.......ray himself says "this time the lengthy inactivity,the divorce from juanita,making the weight kicked my ass but the ankle problem i should have cancelled the fight"

Norris is the most overrated fighter on boxing past forums ,theres a nut online called rooster who spends 24/7 singing terrys praises.

He was only good at beating shot fighters like srl,curry,and mugabi and brown. Brown did him ,and a totally finished curry still managed to outbox him in places before he got worn down.

The santana madness,the sudden deterioration and losses to average fighters. His career would have been ended earlier if he ever fought pernell,ike or tito in 96.

His resume is definitely over valued. He was very talented though. I don't hold that against Leonard or much rate it for Terry.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:His resume is definitely over valued. He was very talented though. I don't hold that against Leonard or much rate it for Terry.

He was a better version of Judah, body by Porsche, head by Mattell, to coin a favourite phrase of mine, a poor in-ring thinker and prone to explosive brain farts

Controversial wrote:I had Hearns winning, I think most people did, even SRL later admitted he thought Hearns should've got the decision.



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Heard him say that as well; a moment of class for SRL.