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DannyMCR wrote:Brief description so I can decide whether to open it or not?

According to the article - "Don King to have stretch of Cleveland street, where boxing promoter killed a man, named after him"

Ade L wrote:

DannyMCR wrote:Brief description so I can decide whether to open it or not?

According to the article - "Don King to have stretch of Cleveland street, where boxing promoter killed a man, named after him"

They can have it intersect with a street named after the dead guy: Don King Ave and Sam Garrett Way - bet it's a really nice section of Cleveland; one of those up-scale neighborhoods. - Oh, wait, I got it - they should make it a toll road and give him a piece of the action, then it would be fitting.

APerno wrote:

Ade L wrote:

DannyMCR wrote:Brief description so I can decide whether to open it or not?

According to the article - "Don King to have stretch of Cleveland street, where boxing promoter killed a man, named after him"

They can have it intersect with a street named after the dead guy: Don King Ave and Sam Garrett Way - bet it's a really nice section of Cleveland; one of those up-scale neighborhoods. -

Oh, wait, I got it - they should make it a toll road and give him a piece of the action, then it would be fitting.

DK, there's a name from the past.

....Bob Arum then promptly buys the entire block and has it renamed Bobstown

or maybe Arumsville.

or maybe Arumsville.

Perhaps Mayor Witherspoon cutting the ribbon on Bobsville Day?

I do kind of miss the Arum-King slugfest....even when the fights were not that good or did not happen at all...having these two conniving against each other like the murderous Borgias was a whole lot of fun.

They were the true masters of the promoter spat and I'd like to think King still tells his carer that Arum is a feckin' SOB and it is not over yet

That story really is pretty sickening.

It leads to a dead end, right?

bwu wrote:It leads to a dead end, right?

It leads to a dead end, right?

Nope...leads straight through to Don Jose Sulaiman Plaza.
But expect to pay a toll.

I though this might amuse - Don K is alive, well and on the hustings backing Donald T.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37435844

I'd like to think that Trump is inexplicably missing a Breitling wristwatch and a couple of tacky golf resorts.

"King just asked me to sign a few napkins and now my lawyers tell me that he owns the Trump Cleveland Golf Resort."

Only in America, right?

Don might have shelled out some bucks to get what he wanted, who knows.

Bodyshot3 wrote:

or maybe Arumsville.

Perhaps Mayor Witherspoon cutting the ribbon on Bobsville Day?

I do kind of miss the Arum-King slugfest....even when the fights were not that good or did not happen at all...having these two conniving against each other like the murderous Borgias was a whole lot of fun.

They were the true masters of the promoter spat and I'd like to think King still tells his carer that Arum is a feckin' SOB and it is not over yet

They got on very very well these days and call each other all the time. Two 85 year olds who have lost most their friends and belong in another era. Arum though continues to operate, Don though has been pretty invisible since his wife passed away

If they're going to commemorate cold blooded murderers by naming sections of streets where they performed their misdeeds after them -- why not go big? Rename Franfurter Allee in Berlin Germany in honor of Adolf Hitler... Adolf Hitler Avenue sounds benign enough. Who would object to that?

Kalan wrote:If they're going to commemorate cold blooded murderers by naming sections of streets where they performed their misdeeds after them -- why not go big? Rename Franfurter Allee in Berlin Germany in honor of Adolf Hitler... Adolf Hitler Avenue sounds benign enough. Who would object to that?

See there you go again talking in extremes. There was nothing 'cold blooded' about King's assault on Sam Garrett, he was really pissed and so 'hot' that he kicked the guy to death. Nothing cold blooded about that; psychopathic might be a better moniker. - Actually nonsense aside, because it was not cold blooded he was convicted of manslaughter and then got out after after serving only half of a ridiculously short prison sentence to begin with. But yea, I agree he should not have anything named after him.

I disagree... If you kick and stomp a guy to death because he owes you a few hundred dollars that means money is all-important to you and human life means nothing in comparison to money. That's damned cold blooded. He was rumored to have killed people before that and I have no doubt he would kill anyone over a money matter if he knew he could get away with it. But at least you agree he doesn't deserve to be commemorated on a street where he killed a man.

Kalan wrote:I disagree... If you kick and stomp a guy to death because he owes you a few hundred dollars that means money is all-important to you and human life means nothing in comparison to money. That's damned cold blooded. He was rumored to have killed people before that and I have no doubt he would kill anyone over a money matter if he knew he could get away with it. But at least you agree he doesn't deserve to be commemorated on a street where he killed a man.

We are just disagreeing over the definition of 'cold blooded.'

'Cold blooded' means without emotion. King was very angry; a cold blooded killing almost always necessitates a charge of murder, not manslaughter.

King was in a rage, seeking to do harm not kill (thus the manslaughter charge).

Second, it wasn't the few hundred bucks that matter, Garrett was on the street bragging that his stiffed King; King as a bookmaker/numbers runner couldn't afford to look like a punk; if he doesn't collect from Garrett everyone would start to blow him off. Garrett either had to pay or he had to 'pay.' It's the rules.

But all gangsters are psychopaths, their intent nothwithstanding, they are all broken people only good for making cool movies about; in reality they are a burden; a failure.

Right... and if you're a psychopath you're cold blooded as a snake. Don King had 2 emotions: 1 Fear. The fear of getting caught... 2. Greed

To DK there were 2 kinds of people: rich people and stupid people.. He admired rich folks. He didn't care how ruthless or crooked they were. During the last 2 years I would always hear "black voters will not support Donald Trump." I would always say, "Don King will."

golden oldie wrote:

APerno wrote:

Kalan wrote:I disagree... If you kick and stomp a guy to death because he owes you a few hundred dollars that means money is all-important to you and human life means nothing in comparison to money. That's damned cold blooded. He was rumored to have killed people before that and I have no doubt he would kill anyone over a money matter if he knew he could get away with it. But at least you agree he doesn't deserve to be commemorated on a street where he killed a man.

We are just disagreeing over the definition of 'cold blooded.'

'Cold blooded' means without emotion. King was very angry; a cold blooded killing almost always necessitates a charge of murder, not manslaughter.

King was in a rage, seeking to do harm not kill (thus the manslaughter charge).

Second, it wasn't the few hundred bucks that matter, Garrett was on the street bragging that his stiffed King; King as a bookmaker/numbers runner couldn't afford to look like a punk; if he doesn't collect from Garrett everyone would start to blow him off. Garrett either had to pay or he had to 'pay.' It's the rules.

But all gangsters are psychopaths

, their intent nothwithstanding, they are all broken people only good for making cool movies about; in reality they are a burden; a failure.

psychopaths
a person suffering from chronic mental disorder with abnormal or violent social behaviour.
synonyms: madman/madwoman, mad person, deranged person, maniac, lunatic, psychotic,



What makes you believe this to be the case? Not all gangsters are even remotely violent. Money is their goal, not violence. There are gangs who specialise in NOTHING but fraud, and if what we are lead to believe is true, they are highly successful at it. No violence involved at all, but by definition they are gangsters.

Interesting. Here's why I feel that way. The way I define the words sociopath and psychopath are how they relate to empathy and pain. A sociopath holds no empathy and acts in any manner that best suits his needs regardless of whom it might hurt, a psychopath on the other hand adds to this lack of empathy a desire to deliberately cause pain. That pain doesn't necessarily have to be physical (violent), just so long as the victim suffers.*** A con man (who doesn't show any of the "madness" you refer to above,) who steals the live-savings of a widow, leaving her desolate, is most certainly a sociopath (according to my definition), but may be a psychopath as well, someone who gets great pleasure out of destroying the widow's life.

A gangster's chooses a life where he must act a predator, that to me is psychopathic behavior; he knows full well that he will have to deliberately hurt others. He certainly lacks empathy, but many (I suspect most) enjoy the pain they cause as well.

***There are husband and wife relationships where one person is a 'psychopath' (my definition) and spends a lifetime emotionally abusing his/her spouse; not all psychopathic behavior manifests into physical violence. You can cause great pain emotionally, economically, and socially to another person; it is all the act of a "deranged" person, just not so obvious.

APerno wrote:

Kalan wrote:If they're going to commemorate cold blooded murderers by naming sections of streets where they performed their misdeeds after them -- why not go big? Rename Franfurter Allee in Berlin Germany in honor of Adolf Hitler... Adolf Hitler Avenue sounds benign enough. Who would object to that?

See there you go talking in extremes. There was nothing 'cold blooded' about King's assault on Sam Garrett, he was really pissed and so 'hot' that he kicked the guy to death. Nothing cold blooded about that; psychopathic might be a better moniker. - Actually nonsense aside, because it was not cold blooded he was convicted of manslaughter and then got out after after serving only half of a ridiculously short prison sentence to begin with. But yea, I agree he should not have anything named after him.

Spot on Al. Hes a dumb troll its all hes good for so as a poster he carries no credibility and his act is boring beyond belief and has killed these forums.....time for the mod behind him to give it up ,come up with a new character

Bricks wrote:

APerno wrote:

Kalan wrote:If they're going to commemorate cold blooded murderers by naming sections of streets where they performed their misdeeds after them -- why not go big? Rename Franfurter Allee in Berlin Germany in honor of Adolf Hitler... Adolf Hitler Avenue sounds benign enough. Who would object to that?

See there you go talking in extremes. There was nothing 'cold blooded' about King's assault on Sam Garrett, he was really pissed and so 'hot' that he kicked the guy to death. Nothing cold blooded about that; psychopathic might be a better moniker. - Actually nonsense aside, because it was not cold blooded he was convicted of manslaughter and then got out after after serving only half of a ridiculously short prison sentence to begin with. But yea, I agree he should not have anything named after him.

Spot on Al. Hes a dumb troll its all hes good for so as a poster he carries no credibility and his act is boring beyond belief and has killed these forums.....time for the mod behind him to give it up ,come up with a new character

You have a good nickname because you're thick as a brick... Stomping a human being to death is about as cold as it gets... If King were just trying to do great bodily harm to him or kill him it doesn't really matter -- because he didn't stop kicking and stomping until the man was dead.. So quit your trolling bricks -- and go to circus.com where the other clowns hang out.