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Carl Framptons big win over Leo Santa Cruz elevated him to a top 10 P4P slot.
What division should he campaign in ?

He just moved up. That rematch is next.

Would love to see him against Gary Russell jnr in the future.

I wouldn't be shocked to see a trilogy with LSC before anything else.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:I wouldn't be shocked to see a trilogy with LSC before anything else.

Yeah true. If LSC wins the rematch it's all but guaranteed really you'd think (well bar Haymon going bankrupt in the meantime lol)

lefty wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:I wouldn't be shocked to see a trilogy with LSC before anything else.

Yeah true. If LSC wins the rematch it's all but guaranteed really you'd think (well bar Haymon going bankrupt in the meantime lol)

I'd assume Carl will have a rematch clause.

I don't think there's anything to prove in an immediate rematch.
It would only ruin LSC career like Malinaggi did to Juan Diaz.

LSC should fight 2 boxers before fighting Frampton again.

Frampton has a money match against Selby ... go get your $$$.
LSC could go either Russell Jr. (Biggest reward) or a confidence booster against a good boxer type with no power.

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:I don't think there's anything to prove in an immediate rematch.
It would only ruin LSC career like Malinaggi did to Juan Diaz.

LSC should fight 2 boxers before fighting Frampton again.

Frampton has a money match against Selby ... go get your $$$.
LSC could go either Russell Jr. (Biggest reward) or a confidence booster against a good boxer type with no power.

Whatever you think, LSC exercised his rematch clause. That is next.

Carl has only just moved up to 126 and is only about 5'5 with a very short reach so I'd be surprised if he could be effective any further than featherweight.

He just moved. A rematch would be huge first of all. The division is stacked anyway, Don't know if Loma would move back down, or Quigg could move up and they could have another fight at Featherweight. He should stick at it for at least 5-6 fights.

lefty wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:I wouldn't be shocked to see a trilogy with LSC before anything else.

Yeah true. If LSC wins the rematch it's all but guaranteed really you'd think (well bar Haymon going bankrupt in the meantime lol)

I could watch them do a JMM v Pac series of fights.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:Whatever you think, LSC exercised his rematch clause. That is next.

There was no rematch clause. McGuigan said it in the post fight press conference.

And if there ever is a rematch it would have to be in Belfast.

It's an extremely BAD idea for Carl to move up again. He's not blessed with height & taller, heavier guys do have an advantage over him.

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:Frampton has a money match against Selby ... go get your $$$.

Think that's definitely on the cards.

Crease wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:Whatever you think, LSC exercised his rematch clause. That is next.

There was no rematch clause. McGuigan said it in the post fight press conference.

And if there ever is a rematch it would have to be in Belfast.

Belfast it may be, everything I've heard there was a clause and it's been executed. We'll see.

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Belfast it may be, everything I've heard there was a clause and it's been executed. We'll see.

Not according to LSC, he said at the post fight press conference that the rematch should be "back home in LA".

The clause is merely fan speculation. There may well be a lucrative rematch but there's no obligation for it.

And why would there have been the need for a clause when American bookmakers had Frampton as far out as 11/1 when the fight was announced.
And even at 6/1 on the morning of the fight.

Leo Santa Cruz is basically a "danny garcia" project that went wrong. That loss looks so beautiful on his record, it makes me cry a little out of happiness.

Crease wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:Belfast it may be, everything I've heard there was a clause and it's been executed. We'll see.

Not according to LSC, he said at the post fight press conference that the rematch should be "back home in LA".

The clause is merely fan speculation. There may well be a lucrative rematch but there's no obligation for it.

And why would there have been the need for a clause when American bookmakers had Frampton as far out as 11/1 when the fight was announced.
And even at 6/1 on the morning of the fight.

The longer the odds the more likely a rematch clause. Anyway, not fan speculation, it's from people in the know. That doesn't mean it's 100% fact, but it's a good bit over 50/50 when I look into things

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:The longer the odds the more likely a rematch clause. Anyway, not fan speculation, it's from people in the know. That doesn't mean it's 100% fact, but it's a good bit over 50/50 when I look into things

Well not really. GoldenBoy thought it was an easy fight for LSC. So a rematch clause was not inserted.

And had there been a rematch clause it would have been activated immediately at the press conference.

Crease wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:The longer the odds the more likely a rematch clause. Anyway, not fan speculation, it's from people in the know. That doesn't mean it's 100% fact, but it's a good bit over 50/50 when I look into things

Well not really. GoldenBoy thought it was an easy fight for LSC. So a rematch clause was not inserted.

And had there been a rematch clause it would have been activated immediately at the press conference.

Golden Boy had no involvement at all, both fighters are represented by Al Haymon. Santa Cruz was making a voluntary defence as the defending champion, a rematch clause is standard procedure in fights like that, regardless of the opponent.

You can't activate contractual clauses in press conferences, not that anyone would make decisions that quickly.

Crease wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:The longer the odds the more likely a rematch clause. Anyway, not fan speculation, it's from people in the know. That doesn't mean it's 100% fact, but it's a good bit over 50/50 when I look into things

Well not really. GoldenBoy thought it was an easy fight for LSC. So a rematch clause was not inserted.

And had there been a rematch clause it would have been activated immediately at the press conference.

No, you don't have to activate a rematch clause at all and you certainly don't have to activate it an hour after the fight. As I already stated, the "easier" the fight, the more likely a rematch clause will be in play.

expe wrote:

Crease wrote:

SaadOffTheDeck wrote:The longer the odds the more likely a rematch clause. Anyway, not fan speculation, it's from people in the know. That doesn't mean it's 100% fact, but it's a good bit over 50/50 when I look into things

Well not really. GoldenBoy thought it was an easy fight for LSC. So a rematch clause was not inserted.

And had there been a rematch clause it would have been activated immediately at the press conference.

Golden Boy had no involvement at all, both fighters are represented by Al Haymon. Santa Cruz was making a voluntary defence as the defending champion, a rematch clause is standard procedure in fights like that, regardless of the opponent.

You can't activate contractual clauses in press conferences, not that anyone would make decisions that quickly.

Crease wrote:It's an extremely BAD idea for Carl to move up again. He's not blessed with height & taller, heavier guys do have an advantage over him.

What I was thinking, strange thread.

klitoris wrote:Leo Santa Cruz is basically a "danny garcia" project that went wrong. That loss looks so beautiful on his record, it makes me cry a little out of happiness.

Wasn't the Danny Garcia project supposed to get smoked by Amir Khan and Lucas Mattysse?

The comparison is completely inaccurate. LSC is victim to the same type of matchmaking HBO is putting GGG down.
LSC was promoted as exciting and always matched to create action. He should have fought more boxers.

As entertainment becomes more and more the obvious focus, we are going to see more of these situations.
Guys are simply not being developed properly.

He just moved up to Featherweight in his last fight. Plenty of fights to be made there for Frampton. I don't know if he'd have the kinda success he's had if he went up any higher.