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Mike Tyson KO by James Douglas
Posted: 30 Jul 2004, 07:47
by Uppercut24
How did James Douglas manage to KO Mike Tyson did he just had luck with that uppercut or was he just to strong for Mike Tyson?
As a matter of fact i loved Douglas when i heared he did KO Tyson, cause one of my favorite boxers were Larry Holmes and Tyson did beat him like he was nobody in the 4th round Holmes down for 3 times.
Posted: 30 Jul 2004, 08:07
by KOJOE90
It's been a few years since I watched that fight but what I can remember is that Buster Douglas was NOT intimidated by Tyson at all. He dominated Tyson for most of the fight with a stiff hard accurate left jab. Douglas for all his faults always had a quality left jab. His jab was followed up by hard right crosses and left hooks off the jab. Buster fought a near text book fight that night. Tyson seemed a little sluggish that night but it could be argued that this was mainly down to Busters performance.
Tyson was always competative and had his moments such as in the 8th when he floored Buster, but for most of the fight Buster controlled the space and tempo of the fight.
The final knockout blows that finished Tyson in the tenth was no fluke, Buster had been softening Iron Mike up all night and the finishing combination of Jabs, right crosses and right uppercuts were a treat to watch, luck had nothing to do with it.
I believe that Busters mother died a few days before the fight which inspired Buster to fight the fight of his life. I still can't believed how he so easily flopped against Holyfield in his first defence. If Buster had been in shape then that fight would have been like Holyfield V Bowe IMO.
Posted: 30 Jul 2004, 12:31
by dempseyfire
Dougals won every round except the 8th. A great boxing lesson by Douglas on Tyson. One thing he did which almost all of his previous opponents hadn't done was set his feet when he jabbed, so he could maximize its power and get Tyson off balance. He stood and got the best of the exchanges and really took Tyson's heart and ripped it in two.
Re: Mike Tyson KO by James Douglas
Posted: 30 Jul 2004, 13:08
by Marciano Frazier
Uppercut24 wrote:How did James Douglas manage to KO Mike Tyson did he just had luck with that uppercut or was he just to strong for Mike Tyson?
As a matter of fact i loved Douglas when i heared he did KO Tyson, cause one of my favorite boxers were Larry Holmes and Tyson did beat him like he was nobody in the 4th round Holmes down for 3 times.
Douglas put on a brilliant performance, fought Tyson with just the right game plan, and absolutely took him apart. Tyson wasn't on the ball that night and his corner was ridiculously unprepared, coupled with the fact that Douglas was fighting a very brilliant, inspired fight and doing everything right. I had Douglas winning every round except rounds seven and eight(Tyson knocked Douglas down in the eighth).
Posted: 30 Jul 2004, 16:59
by tonyevs
Only ever fully watched it the once, what I remember was that it was one of the best heavyweight fights I had ever seen, brilliant
Posted: 31 Jul 2004, 02:07
by Jaclem
douglas fought as close to a perfect fight as you'll ever see that night. he made just one mistake...he ducked and got clocked by tyson and he was so mad at himself he pounded the canvas in anger. plus...he took an awful chance at letting the count get to an eyelash within the ten count. but..he got up and continued his domination. a marvelous performance by an otherwise non-marvelous fighter....and those who say tyson wasn't himself that night are unfairly diminishing douglas's triumph.
i saw the fight on live tv and have looked at the tape many times....and if tyson wasn't himself i don't know who that guy on the canvas was trying to put his mouthpiece back in.
Posted: 31 Jul 2004, 07:48
by Professor X
Holyfield gave Douglas a true master class in the jab, KOJOE90. Tripple the jab...hook off the jab...throw combinations off the jab...and THEN feint with the jab and drop a stiff, straight right onto the chin. Watch the tape.
Douglas just wasn't THAT fast against Tyson...Holyfield would have blocked a lot of that stuff.
I'd pick (by KO, not TKO) the HOLYFIELD that beat Douglas over the DOUGLAS that beat Tyson with very little hesitation. Or: '90 Holyfield (28 yrs old) wouldn't have needed ten rounds to KO Tyson.
Posted: 01 Aug 2004, 00:37
by jsc1973
Tyson would have had his work cut out for him that night even if he'd been prepared, which he clearly wasn't. Tyson was never fundamentally sound after the Spinks fight, and Buster exposed it.
Don't forget that Douglas was not a bad fighter, he was just a guy who (normally) was unmotivated. A few years before beating Tyson, he was leading Tony Tucker in a title fight and more or less quit in the championship rounds when ahead on the cards. Tucker, another mercurial underachiever, went on to give Tyson probably his toughest fight before Douglas.
Holyfield would have beaten either one of them, though. At the time of Tyson-Douglas, he was rarely losing a round, and it was clear he was going to get a title shot sooner rather than later. He'd been calling out Tyson since '88, but Tyson wasn't going to fight him until Holy became the mandatory.
Posted: 01 Aug 2004, 09:33
by silkov
There are quite a lkot of parrallels between Danny Williams and Buster Doulas.... both have/had good jabs, power and speed despite being quite 'big' and both had simular mental hang ups.... also Busters father was a big influence on Douglas boxing.... unfortunately for Buster he found the aftermath of winning the title too much to take... I hope Danny will handle his success better.
Posted: 01 Aug 2004, 09:38
by Guest
To be fair, I think Tyson had hurt his leg.
haha
Posted: 01 Aug 2004, 09:40
by Uppercut24
Tyson hurt his leg...ohhh go to mama, douglas was beating him in every round please dont look for a reason to clean Tyson , Douglas was great that evening and really did fornicate Tyson.
sorry for bad language
Posted: 01 Aug 2004, 09:45
by silkov
Guest wrote:To be fair, I think Tyson had hurt his leg.
I don't think it was his leg that was hitting Mike in the head!... 8)
8)
Posted: 01 Aug 2004, 11:37
by babulous
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Holyfield would have beaten either one of them, though. At the time of Tyson-Douglas, he was rarely losing a round, and it was clear he was going to get a title shot sooner rather than later. He'd been calling out Tyson since '88, but Tyson wasn't going to fight him until Holy became the mandatory.[/quote]
If Holyfield would have fought Tyson in '88, it would not have look good 4 Holyfield. Tyson was his best that year, then it seem like Tyson hit his peak in '89 & was declining from there. Holyfield would have had an easier time w/ a Tyson in his decline which from '89 on.( which he did)
Posted: 01 Aug 2004, 11:42
by silkov
babulous wrote:Holyfield would have beaten either one of them, though. At the time of Tyson-Douglas, he was rarely losing a round, and it was clear he was going to get a title shot sooner rather than later. He'd been calling out Tyson since '88, but Tyson wasn't going to fight him until Holy became the mandatory.[/quote wrote:
If Holyfield would have fought Tyson in '88, it would not have look good 4 Holyfield. Tyson was his best that year, then it seem like Tyson hit his peak in '89 & was declining from there. Holyfield would have had an easier time w/ a Tyson in his decline which from '89 on.( which he did)
I think even in 1988 Holifield would have beaten Tyson... for the same reasons that he did later... he'd keep him under pressure, take his best shots and break his heart!.... while Tyson was certainly a better fighter in '88 so was Holifield in many ways.... faster and freasher than the mid-90s Holifield and capable of outboxing rather than just out brawling Tyson.
Posted: 01 Aug 2004, 12:56
by KOJOE90
Professor X wrote:Holyfield gave Douglas a true master class in the jab, KOJOE90. Tripple the jab...hook off the jab...throw combinations off the jab...and THEN feint with the jab and drop a stiff, straight right onto the chin. Watch the tape.
Douglas just wasn't THAT fast against Tyson...Holyfield would have blocked a lot of that stuff.
I'd pick (by KO, not TKO) the HOLYFIELD that beat Douglas over the DOUGLAS that beat Tyson with very little hesitation. Or: '90 Holyfield (28 yrs old) wouldn't have needed ten rounds to KO Tyson.
I take your point, but I am sure you will admit that Dougals was in much better shape for Tyson than he was for Holyfield both mentaly and physicaly. At the weigh-in when Douglas tipped the scales at
15lbs more than when he won the title, Holyfields then Trainer Lou Duva was heard to say
"We've won, we have won the fight!!!".
If the Douglas that beat Tyson had showed up for the Holyfield fight I still stand by my Holyfield-Bowe comparison, in such that I see it as a very long tough fight. At that time Holyfield IMO had not developed the power and strength he had a few years later (or you could argue was more mobile so didn't plant his feet as much) , he was still a 'small' Heavyweight at this time. I agree with you that the faster Holyfield would win the fight but I think I see it a lot closer than yourself. I go for Holyfiled winning another war of attrition to win on points, eg Holyfield V Bowe 2.