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Since Canelo runs the risk of losing his star status once fans see him struggle at the higher weight, he might as well accept Gennady's split and cash in as long as he still can.

I strongly suspect the Canelo bubble will burst once we see him at 160.

The bigger and taller foes there won't make for quick knockouts.

Too short and slow of feet.

And he can't either navigate between 154 and 160, because people will laugh even harder at him.
Remaining at 154, he will end up like Jose Luis Castillo.

crow wrote:Since Canelo runs the risk of losing his star status once fans see him struggle at the higher weight...

He’s currently breaking stadium attendance records and his typical PPV buy-rate is far more than double GGG’s sole US PPV. His fans didn’t disappear when he was defeated by the leading pound-for-pounder… and they probably won’t vanish either if he loses to another leading pound-for-pounder.

crow wrote:I strongly suspect the Canelo bubble will burst once we see him at 160.

Maybe it will, maybe it won’t. It seems that you’ll regard him as a joke if he remained at 154lbs, but then laugh if or when he loses to Golovkin. He’s in a no-win situation.

What happened to applauding fighters for taking risks by daring to be great?

crow wrote:The bigger and taller foes there won't make for quick knockouts. Too short and slow of feet.

At least half a dozen of the top-ten world-rated 160lb-ers either previously competed in lower weight classes or are simply diminutive in stature. In comparison to the welterweights and the light middleweights, the 160lb division is pretty shallow in terms of a talent pool.

crow wrote:And he can't either navigate between 154 and 160, because people will laugh even harder at him.

Did anyone laugh at Mayweather Jr. for taking more than $35m per fight to straddle both the 147lbs & 154lbs weight divisions?

crow wrote:Remaining at 154, he will end up like Jose Luis Castillo.

Marvin Hagler and GGG refused to venture away from their 160lbs comfort zone. Nothing wrong with knowing your limits if he changed his mind and remained a career-long light middleweight.

He's big enough and strong enough to move up.
He's also good enough to beat a champion like BJS, for instance.
I think if that division lacked Golovkin, Canelo also might just be good enough and big enough to be the best fighter at that weight.

Sadly for Canelo, that division does contain Golovkin

I think he'd slot into the middleweight division just fine - Golovkin aside it's not as talent-rich as 154lb. He's short for a middleweight, no question, but he's definitely a middleweight in overall size, already weighing similar or more than GGG on fight night. I suspect with a smaller drain, his stamina is likely to improve, so he may well be a better fighter at middleweight than he was/is at light middle. He definitely has the power and chin to be successful at middleweight too.

Few seem to give him a chance against GGG, but the biggest question in my mind is how does he fare against Daniel Jacobs - a much taller, hard-hitting, athletic middleweight?

crow wrote:Since Canelo runs the risk of losing his star status once fans see him struggle at the higher weight, he might as well accept Gennady's split and cash in as long as he still can.

I strongly suspect the Canelo bubble will burst once we see him at 160.

The bigger and taller foes there won't make for quick knockouts.

Too short and slow of feet.

And he can't either navigate between 154 and 160, because people will laugh even harder at him.
Remaining at 154, he will end up like Jose Luis Castillo.

Not really as long as he stays away from GGG. It's not like he's Chavez Jr relying solely on his size.

This is BORING I wish we could talk to the dead..................... Old fighter's like Sugar Ray Robinson/Henry Armstrong just to name a couple these two HOF's would have a good laugh reading this garbage about poor Canelo and the 2/3 kg he needs to put on to be a fully fledge Middleweight Just a thought am I missing something didn't Canelo hold the WBC Middleweight Title .......................................the headline's don't make sense ''CAN CANELO MOVE SUCCESSFULLY TO MIDDLE''

davie wrote:He's big enough and strong enough to move up.
He's also good enough to beat a champion like BJS, for instance.
I think if that division lacked Golovkin, Canelo also might just be good enough and big enough to be the best fighter at that weight.

Sadly for Canelo, that division does contain Golovkin

Sums it up very nicely IMO

He can and he will. When matched against the right opponents, he looks great. Canelo looks ordinary against slick boxers, so he won't fight Andrade, or even Willie Monroe. GGG actually fits his style better, and it will be a very good fight. I can't see an easy fight for GGG like most here.

Badhusker wrote:He can and he will. When matched against the right opponents, he looks great. Canelo looks ordinary against slick boxers, so he won't fight Andrade, or even Willie Monroe. GGG actually fits his style better, and it will be a very good fight. I can't see an easy fight for GGG like most here.

I agree, I don't think its going to be an easy night for G but I'm hoping his boxing class will be on show and that he'll win. I'm not even certain of a knockout, unless G has a great gameplan that involves body work. Canelos neck is so thick, and how he plants his feet and plods, it would be hard to knock that boy out but i'm expecting he'd be in a world of pain by round 9 at least.

He already has. He won the Middleweight Championship from Miguel Cotto.

I'm not sure if you're aware, but Canelo has held the WBC Middleweight Belt after he beat Miguel Cotto. Canelo then proceeded to dropping the belt and refusing to fight mandatory challenger Gennady Golovkin.

On a side note Canelo is known to weigh during fights above the Light Heavyweight limit.

So the real question should be: "Can Canelo move successfully to Cruiserweight?"

klitoris wrote:I'm not sure if you're aware, but Canelo has held the WBC Middleweight Belt after he beat Miguel Cotto. Canelo then proceeded to dropping the belt and refusing to fight mandatory challenger Gennady Golovkin.

On a side note Canelo is known to weigh during fights above the Light Heavyweight limit.

So the real question should be: "Can Canelo move successfully to Cruiserweight?"

LMAO!!!

Badhusker wrote:He can and he will. When matched against the right opponents, he looks great.

He looked quite ordinary against Lara.

He couldn't deck a much older and smaller fighter in Cotto who was there for the taking.

His best win is a closish decision vs Trout, who it turned out isn't world level, and a blowout of Kirkland, who never had the dedication to match his physical attributes.

And of course, PBF made a fool out of him., winning every rd in the process.

I believe it's very much an open question mark whether he can be as successful at middle or not.

One bad performance or two ( or a loss), and the gravy train stops.

klitoris wrote:I'm not sure if you're aware, but Canelo has held the WBC Middleweight Belt after he beat Miguel Cotto.

Canelo has never faced oponnents who weighed 160 during official weigh ins.

Canelo keeps calling older/smaller fighters like Pac or Cotto out.

What does that tell you?

Kell Brook, Lemieux, Curtis Stevens, Jacobs, Monroe Jr and probably many others all give Canelo hell, and possibly beat/KO him.

Bye bye star status.

Yes he can.

There's no reason (apart from the obvious elephant in the room) why he can fight there successfully.

Despite never fighting a MW at 160, he holds the so-called linear title ( ), so it's about time he actually stood up & be counted.

I reckon canelo won't move to middle yet. His next opponent will be Pac or mayweather. Or a light puncher who's golden boy like Monroe. I know people have said Monroe will give him problems but canelo will catch him easier than he did Lara with no threat to his safety as with all his recent fights.

I think that Canelo is going to end up being a top P4P fighter in the world at some point in his career and i think that it's going to be soon, within the next two years. And this will happen when he's moved up to MW. The kid must walk into the ring for these 154 pound contests at 180 but age will eventually catch up with him and he'll not want to be involved in this kind of weight loss for much longer. That gets old for boxers. Yes, he's diminutive in stature but he more than makes up for it with his speed and power. There's only one MW in the world that he wouldn't be favored over right now and he's not even there yet.

Enlightened-One wrote:

crow wrote:Since Canelo runs the risk of losing his star status once fans see him struggle at the higher weight...

He’s currently breaking stadium attendance records and his typical PPV buy-rate is far more than double GGG’s sole US PPV. His fans didn’t disappear when he was defeated by the leading pound-for-pounder… and they probably won’t vanish either if he loses to another leading pound-for-pounder.

crow wrote:I strongly suspect the Canelo bubble will burst once we see him at 160.

Maybe it will, maybe it won’t. It seems that you’ll regard him as a joke if he remained at 154lbs, but then laugh if or when he loses to Golovkin. He’s in a no-win situation.

What happened to applauding fighters for taking risks by daring to be great?

crow wrote:The bigger and taller foes there won't make for quick knockouts. Too short and slow of feet.

At least half a dozen of the top-ten world-rated 160lb-ers either previously competed in lower weight classes or are simply diminutive in stature. In comparison to the welterweights and the light middleweights, the 160lb division is pretty shallow in terms of a talent pool.

crow wrote:And he can't either navigate between 154 and 160, because people will laugh even harder at him.

Did anyone laugh at Mayweather Jr. for taking more than $35m per fight to straddle both the 147lbs & 154lbs weight divisions?

crow wrote:Remaining at 154, he will end up like Jose Luis Castillo.

Marvin Hagler and GGG refused to venture away from their 160lbs comfort zone. Nothing wrong with knowing your limits if he changed his mind and remained a career-long light middleweight.

I agree with your replies.

I do think he may struggle with some of the bigger middleweights, but GGG aside, I'm not sure there's many I'd pick over him.

I also don't agree he's too slow of foot, he's certainly not slow of hand.

Enlightened-One wrote:

crow wrote:I strongly suspect the Canelo bubble will burst once we see him at 160.

Maybe it will, maybe it won’t. It seems that you’ll regard him as a joke if he remained at 154lbs, but then laugh if or when he loses to Golovkin. He’s in a no-win situation.

What happened to applauding fighters for taking risks by daring to be great?

If you want to be great, then play by the rules.
Don't refuse to be weighed on fight day.
Don't hide the PPV numbers.

Something's not smelling quite right in that Canelo greatness of yours.

crow wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:

crow wrote:I strongly suspect the Canelo bubble will burst once we see him at 160.

Maybe it will, maybe it won’t. It seems that you’ll regard him as a joke if he remained at 154lbs, but then laugh if or when he loses to Golovkin. He’s in a no-win situation.

What happened to applauding fighters for taking risks by daring to be great?

If you want to be great, then play by the rules.
Don't refuse to be weighed on fight day.
Don't hide the PPV numbers.

Something's not smelling quite right in that Canelo greatness of yours.

Since when has the rehydration weight ever had either a positive or a detrimental effect on the legacies of “great” fighters?
Since when has PPV numbers been deemed as an accurate barometer to measure the true “greatness” of a fighter?
Since when have I ever said anything positive specifically about Canelo?

Enlightened-One wrote: Since when have I ever said anything positive specifically about Golovkin?

Fixed.


You have never said anything good about Golovkin, of course.

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... n&start=50
Of all boxers Gennady has faced, you are only giving him credit for one (Murray).

You're just another Golovkin hater with an agenda on these boards.

As far as me badmouthing Canelo,
http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... O#p4276313

Enjoy your crow.

crow wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote: Since when have I ever said anything positive specifically about Golovkin?

Fixed.


You have never said anything good about Golovkin, of course.

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... n&start=50
Of all boxers Gennady has faced, you are only giving him credit for one (Murray).

You're just another Golovkin hater with an agenda on these boards.

As far as me badmouthing Canelo,
http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... O#p4276313

Enjoy your crow.

Good one !

crow wrote:

Enlightened-One wrote:Since when have I ever said anything positive specifically about Golovkin?

I never said those words.

crow wrote:You have never said anything good about Golovkin, of course.

http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... n&start=50
Of all boxers Gennady has faced, you are only giving him credit for one (Murray).

I simply quoted facts about GGG, as reported by the information readily available on both the BoxRec and Ring websites. If this information offends you deeply, then you need to submit a formal complaint to the people that manage those businesses.

crow wrote:You're just another Golovkin hater with an agenda on these boards.

I’m not a Golovkin hater, in fact he’s one of my favourite fighters. It's just that I’m against over zealous blindly-loyal GGG fans.

crow wrote:As far as me badmouthing Canelo,
http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... O#p4276313

And what has this got to do with any of your posts that I’ve commented on in this thread?

crow wrote:Enjoy your crow.

OMFG!

You can't answer simple questions, so you go on the attack with random meaningless nonsense!

he fills and break what stadium numbers and records ?
he breaks what ppv records ? with what numbers ?
its quite funny you dig that cinnamon chicken. you and him have in common, that you guys are laughed at both behind your backs and in your face.
not even a disgrace anymore. just a joke. both of you.