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52 fight challenge: Week 39 - Jim McDonnell vs Azumah Nelson

Posted: 25 Sep 2016, 09:30
by Horse
Jim McDonnell vs Azumah Nelson.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zP03oDy647A

Watch and discuss.

Re: 52 fight challenge: Week 39 - Jim McDonnell vs Azumah Nelson

Posted: 25 Sep 2016, 09:30
by Horse
Recent weeks' fights:

Week 38 - Glenn Catley vs Markus Beyer: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=204237
Week 37 - Billy Hardy vs Orlando Canizales I: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=204054
Week 36 - Paul Ingle vs Junior Jones: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=203594

Week 35 - Michael Brodie vs Neil Swain: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=203460
Week 34 - Richie Woodhall vs Thulani Malinga: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=203235
Week 33 - Joe Bugner vs Joe Frazier: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=203046
Week 32 - Colin Jones vs Milton McCrory I: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=202947
Week 31 - Kirkland Laing vs Roberto Duran: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=202714

Week 30 - Wayne McCullough vs Yasuei Yakushiji: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=202593
Week 29 - Duke McKenzie vs Dave McAuley: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=202398
Week 28 - Alan Rudkin vs Lionel Rose: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=202256
Week 27 - Brian Curvis vs Emile Griffith: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=202047
Week 26 - Maurice Hope vs Rocky Mattioli II: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=201894


British & Irish boxing 52 fight history knowledge challenge thread: http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=197079

Re: 52 fight challenge: Week 39 - Jim McDonnell vs Azumah Nelson

Posted: 25 Sep 2016, 09:30
by Horse
Supplementary fight.

Jim McDonnell vs Barry McGuigan.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oom5bGIMv8

Re: 52 fight challenge: Week 39 - Jim McDonnell vs Azumah Nelson

Posted: 25 Sep 2016, 17:09
by THEBUTCH
I remember beforehand no one giving McDonnell a chance of even making a fight of it.
Nelson completely underestimated Jim and seemed to just march after McDonnell for round after round, but finally wore him down in the last round. Great effort from Jim.

Re: 52 fight challenge: Week 39 - Jim McDonnell vs Azumah Nelson

Posted: 25 Sep 2016, 23:09
by davie
McDonnell vs Nelson

1. 10-9. McDonnell. Azumah started faster but as the round slowed Jim boxed well, making Azumah miss, wildly at times. Close round
2. 10-9. McDonnell. I like what McDonnells doing here, boxing well and even outworking Azumah. Nelson really isn't the most graceful here
3. 10-10. Lots of good body shots from both, McDonnell choosing when to back up, when to stand his ground. Turn into a bit of a war toward the end
4. 10-9. McDonell. controls it well when he moves and keeps it at range with ones and twos, needs to stick to this as Azumah doesn't cut off the ring
5. 8-10. Nelson. That man can bang, just starting to come into the round then folds McDonnell with a cracking left that he never saw coming.
6. 10-9. McDonnell. Not sure about anyone else, but I'm still scoring these to McDonnell, looks the better fighter when he's boxing and moving
7. 9-10. Nelson. Azumah starting to turn the sbrew and McDonnell feeling the pace. Interesting to see the Archie Moore style cross armed defense
8. 10-9. McDonnell. Started well but Nelson came on strong and rocked him a couple times but over all Jim just did enough for me
9. 10-10. Nelson started fast and pressured early and countered well, thought he might take it but McDonnell stuck at it and took a share in second half
10. 10-9. McDonnell again, standing his ground for long spells, has a feel of Rocky Burns vs Rocky Martinez, where I spent the entire fight screaming at Ricky to get on his bike, yet he did so well in the exchanges with a dangerous puncher
11. 9-10 Nelson, close round but McDonnell starting to run out of steam.
12. KO Nelson. That was heart breaking. I knew the stoppage was coming, but hadn't expected McDonnell to have done so well in the fight. I found myself willing McDonnell on even though I knew he got stopped.

I had it 106-104 McDonnell going into the final round. With him getting dropped it would likely have swung to at least a draw but I'd really have loved to see him make the final bell.
But McDonnell was utterly spent by the time the ref stopped it, which was the right thing to do.

I've never watched a fighter move the way Nelson does here. There is no boxing stance what so ever for long spells of the fight, he literally walks forward, straight at you constantly. Yet never seems to get put of balance with a shot. And he gets into a boxing stance so effortlessly when you stop to trade and he wants to unload. Like a bloody machine, But there was not a lot of finesse or sophistication about what he was doing here but it looked bloody hard work to keep him off. Can't help think he might have saved himself a couple hundred yards if he moved sideways occasionally.
He had a fantastic engine, terrific chin and punch really bloody hard, you might call him teak tough.

But it's very easy to see how a master technician like Pernell Whittiker solved this particular problem only 6 months later. (Which I scored here http://boxrec.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f ... &start=475)

Re: 52 fight challenge: Week 39 - Jim McDonnell vs Azumah Nelson

Posted: 03 Oct 2016, 14:51
by handsofstone
Hard to imagine Nelson being an all time great after that showing,dont get me wrong credit for getting McDonnell out of there in the end and the left hook he put Jim down with in the 5th was class but the way he just followed McDonnell around the ring with hands up was crude to say the least and he seemed to trying to find that one KO punch all night,McDonnell was excellent though i had him a couple of points up going into the final round,his workrate was phenomenal,he showed a great display of boxing on the back foot and leaving Azumah chasing shadows,he was always on his toes and by about the 9th round he took the fight to Nelson who TBF didnt take many clean shots but he was being outworked throughout,shame McDonnell's eye swelled shut because he might have been able to see it out but he was spent,he put so much into the fight but it wasnt to be

Re: 52 fight challenge: Week 39 - Jim McDonnell vs Azumah Nelson

Posted: 04 Oct 2016, 15:11
by handsofstone
Shame for McGuigan's career to end on a cut,the fight was over before it began really ,McDonnell was looking sharp and had a great engine so he wouldn't have faded so you would have exepected him to outpoint Barry anyway but still it was a shame to see McGuigan go out like that,its never nice to see any fight get stopped on a cut

Re: 52 fight challenge: Week 39 - Jim McDonnell vs Azumah Nelson

Posted: 05 Oct 2016, 04:52
by Autobarn
Really good fight. Have to wonder if Nelson took him seriously, as Azumah had little strategy, just using physical presence and strength to grind his man down. Nelson, who I suspect expected an early night, was temperamental.

McDonnell obviously lost to another wonderful champion, Brian Mitchell, who boxed a far more tidy and solid fight but was unable to get a stoppage or come close. But was always in control, technically.

Re: 52 fight challenge: Week 39 - Jim McDonnell vs Azumah Nelson

Posted: 05 Oct 2016, 04:54
by Autobarn
handsofstone wrote:Hard to imagine Nelson being an all time great after that showing,dont get me wrong credit for getting McDonnell out of there in the end and the left hook he put Jim down with in the 5th was class but the way he just followed McDonnell around the ring with hands up was crude to say the least and he seemed to trying to find that one KO punch all night,McDonnell was excellent though i had him a couple of points up going into the final round,his workrate was phenomenal,he showed a great display of boxing on the back foot and leaving Azumah chasing shadows,he was always on his toes and by about the 9th round he took the fight to Nelson who TBF didnt take many clean shots but he was being outworked throughout,shame McDonnell's eye swelled shut because he might have been able to see it out but he was spent,he put so much into the fight but it wasnt to be
Nelson made a far better display of methodically breaking down a guy in his backyard when he demolished the legendary Wilfredo Gomez is Puerto Rico, must've been five years earlier and one weight down.

Re: 52 fight challenge: Week 39 - Jim McDonnell vs Azumah Nelson

Posted: 25 Oct 2016, 14:34
by Horse
McDonnell - Nelson

1. 10 - 9
2. 10 - 9
3. 10 - 10
4. 10 - 9
5. 8 - 10
6. 10 - 9
7. 10 - 9
8. 10 - 9
9. 10 - 10
10. 10 - 9
11. 9 - 10
12. - - - TKO

108-103 McDonnell


Nelson was terrible in this fight. What was he playing at?

Doing his fast walk around the ring following McDonnell, with no effort to cut the ring off and having that porous cross armed defence whilst doing it made it seem even more daft.

Like handsofstone said he certainly didn't look like any sort of an ATG based on this performance, but he had many very good wins both before and after this fight, so he couldn't be described as past it or anything.

Re: 52 fight challenge: Week 39 - Jim McDonnell vs Azumah Nelson

Posted: 25 Oct 2016, 16:28
by Horse
ginty wrote:i was there that night
Were you happy with the result?