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Of course, I feel (somewhat indifferently) for his problems, but should he be stripped?

The Ring Title and his status as lineal champ aren't in question, but as a newly crowned 'unified champ', he sucks!

Wilder and Fury should both be stripped for their refusal of fighting the opponend they are supposed to fight, whatever the excuse.

Absolutely not. Theres already 2 other belt holders, why would anyone want to see even more, and more dud vacant title fights. Either way, the money men can strip him all they want and hand em back to Wlad/Joshua/Wilder

Fury is THE MAN, the Lineal Champ and done Klitscko in Germany ending his 10 year reign

They can never take that away from him and it will not be topped anytime soon!!!

peter barlow wrote:Absolutely not. Theres already 2 other belt holders, why would anyone want to see even more, and more dud vacant title fights. Either way, the money men can strip him all they want and hand em back to Wlad/Joshua/Wilder

Fury is THE MAN, the Lineal Champ and done Klitscko in Germany ending his 10 year reign

They can never take that away from him and it will not be topped anytime soon!!!

Klitschko and Joshua are already in nagotiations as far as I know, and I expect Joshua to win actually.

Nevertheless, I'd have to give credits to Fury for that fight, I expected him to lose at the time.

The belts are worthless anyway.

They can & should probably strip him, then it gives other fighters something to hang their hats on, but until Fury quits or gets beaten, he will be the HW champion of the world.

Syntax Error wrote:The belts are worthless anyway.

They can & should probably strip him, then it gives other fighters something to hang their hats on, but until Fury quits or gets beaten, he will be the HW champion of the world.

Syntax, your word has been great over the years on CS, but most HWs would have beaten Klitschko that night. Something was rotten in Denmark...

I say let Joshua / Klitschko fight for titles and if Fury wants it after rehab, bring them on.

The question that bugs me is 'why'? Why such a bad performance from a champ that doesn't produce bad performances and why the reluctance of Fury to fight (x 3) or attend press conferences. The two must be connected.

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peter barlow wrote:Absolutely not. Theres already 2 other belt holders, why would anyone want to see even more, and more dud vacant title fights. Either way, the money men can strip him all they want and hand em back to Wlad/Joshua/Wilder

Fury is THE MAN, the Lineal Champ and done Klitscko in Germany ending his 10 year reign

They can never take that away from him and it will not be topped anytime soon!!!

Klitschko and Joshua are already in nagotiations as far as I know, and I expect Joshua to win actually.

Nevertheless, I'd have to give credits to Fury for that fight, I expected him to lose at the time.

Think thats just the usual Eddie Hearn spiel. I expect it will be Joshua vs Joseph Parker, if Parker wins his fight vs Dimitrenko ok.K2 have booked an arena in Hamburg for December 10th for Wlad and Furys releasing another proper statement tomorrow

We will know more soon

Loki wrote:

Syntax Error wrote:The belts are worthless anyway.

They can & should probably strip him, then it gives other fighters something to hang their hats on, but until Fury quits or gets beaten, he will be the HW champion of the world.

Syntax, your word has been great over the years on CS, but most HWs would have beaten Klitschko that night. Something was rotten in Denmark...

I say let Joshua / Klitschko fight for titles and if Fury wants it after rehab, bring them on.

The question that bugs me is 'why'? Why such a bad performance from a champ that doesn't produce bad performances and why the reluctance of Fury to fight (x 3) or attend press conferences. The two must be connected.

Fair point.

Joshua & Klitschko should probably fight & the winner would have all the belts that most people have heard of.

Although their fight was not great, Wladimir does really deserve the chance to equal the score if he were to come through a possible fight against Joshua.

Fury's behaviour has been truly bizarre & I his forthcoming statement will go some way to explaining his odd behaviour.

Syntax Error wrote:

Loki wrote:

Syntax Error wrote:The belts are worthless anyway.

They can & should probably strip him, then it gives other fighters something to hang their hats on, but until Fury quits or gets beaten, he will be the HW champion of the world.

Syntax, your word has been great over the years on CS, but most HWs would have beaten Klitschko that night. Something was rotten in Denmark...

I say let Joshua / Klitschko fight for titles and if Fury wants it after rehab, bring them on.

The question that bugs me is 'why'? Why such a bad performance from a champ that doesn't produce bad performances and why the reluctance of Fury to fight (x 3) or attend press conferences. The two must be connected.

Fair point.

Joshua & Klitschko should probably fight & the winner would have all the belts that most people have heard of.

Although their fight was not great, Wladimir does really deserve the chance to equal the score if he were to come through a possible fight against Joshua.

Fury's behaviour has been truly bizarre & I his forthcoming statement will go some way to explaining his odd behaviour.

Bizarre is conservative. Even Iron Mike has reasons for his behaviour (at times). I think 'odd' is the word I'm groping for.

The only reasons I can think of is Wlad aged overnight (I don't believe that), he threw the fight for Ukraine and only went for KO in 12th round (more plausible if you watch fight) and, more to the point - Fury PED issues are more serious than first thought.

Either way, let's have a big HW fight FFS. (a good one).

Loki wrote:The question that bugs me is 'why'? Why such a bad performance from a champ that doesn't produce bad performances and why the reluctance of Fury to fight (x 3) or attend press conferences. The two must be connected.

Why must they be connected?

Do Hughie's health problems also fit into this?
Maybe Saunder's injury?
What about WIlder's injury?

Maybe it's because they're freinds, neither wants to see the other get hurt so they worked out a way to see who was the better boxer without hurting each other, and now Fury thinks Wlad's is at the age he needs to retire and is trying to make him.

I don't thhink any of that is true, not at all. But still. . . .

Is it that surprising that Fury, who has spoken before of having mental issues, having gone through a lot this year, is having bad mental issues?

The way the media treated him were shocking, it's not like they just reported on stuff that was going on, they dug up a load of stuff, stuff they'd already reported on, to trash him, ruining his dream. UKAD has been awful to him, they shouldn;t have told them he was in the clear then a year after the test leak it to the media then change their mind. He witnessed a young freind get seriously hurt boxing, to the point where he was put in a coma.

To answer the question neither.

He should be made champion in reccess, and he can get a shot at the active champ(s), when/if he makes a comeback.

Tyson Fury should be stripped of his world titles and then be made to earn the right to win them back, for several reasons, such as:
• The WBO & WBA need to be consistent with their application of the rules, regardless of the reasons
• Allowing Fury to retain ownership of these belts, whilst remaining inactive indefinitely, deprives other boxers the right to make a decent living by challenging for these titles, such as Wladimir Klitschko
• Allowing other fighters to take ownership of the world titles would remove the media spotlight and their scrutiny of Tyson Fury, allowing him to recover in peace
• If Fury needs six to twelve months to recover from his illness, he’ll also need to have a warm-up bout to remove his ring-rust and also prove that he hasn’t lost his focus and desire for the sport
• The sport of boxing needs to have a clear-cut wearer of the heavyweight crown

Yes, strip him. Too scared to fight, not even a debate, good riddance.

Not a chance.

BitPlayer wrote:Is it that surprising that Fury, who has spoken before of having mental issues, having gone through a lot this year, is having bad mental issues?

The way the media treated him were shocking, it's not like they just reported on stuff that was going on, they dug up a load of stuff, stuff they'd already reported on, to trash him, ruining his dream. UKAD has been awful to him, they shouldn;t have told them he was in the clear then a year after the test leak it to the media then change their mind. He witnessed a young freind get seriously hurt boxing, to the point where he was put in a coma.

To answer the question neither.

He should be made champion in reccess, and he can get a shot at the active champ(s), when/if he makes a comeback.

The last thought there sums it up well for me.
It would be cruel to strip the guy. He (unlike the other 2 "title holder") challenged and defeated 'The man'. regardless of what you think of the fight and performance, that's an undisputable fact.
He is suffering from mental health issues, to strip him of his titles for that would not be right.

But equally, we do not know when or if he will return, so he cannot tie up the titles forever. Make him champion in recess and let Wlad challenge someone else for the titles.
Now this is the big thing for me and my major concern, is that the WBA and WBO turn around and let Wlad challenge Andrey Fedosov or someone because he sits in both organisations top 15 or the WBA demand Osquendo gets the shot.

Ortiz is no1 with WBA, Parker with WBO. Anyone other than those 2 or one of Wilder/Joshua and the ABC lose what very little credibility they have.

...give him this emeritus status and let him keep it for a while till he chooses to fight, in the meantime the show must go on...

BitPlayer wrote:Is it that surprising that Fury, who has spoken before of having mental issues, having gone through a lot this year, is having bad mental issues?

The way the media treated him were shocking, it's not like they just reported on stuff that was going on, they dug up a load of stuff, stuff they'd already reported on, to trash him, ruining his dream. UKAD has been awful to him, they shouldn;t have told them he was in the clear then a year after the test leak it to the media then change their mind. He witnessed a young freind get seriously hurt boxing, to the point where he was put in a coma.

To answer the question neither.

He should be made champion in reccess, and he can get a shot at the active champ(s), when/if he makes a comeback.

The media treated him like any other sexist, homophobic, anti-semitic world champion. Christ, some people really are stupid. Regardless of your opinions on the subjects, but if Lewis hamilton wins the F1 championship or Mo Farah comes back from the Olympics and starts saying women shouldn't get out the kitchen, or gay people should be killed, then expect a few questions you ignorant dunce.

Same with Fury. If he wants to rant about Jews controlling the world he can knock himself out, but don't expect everyone to think he's a nice guy and want to see his fights in the aftermath. Sell yourself as a boorish oaf and get treated like one. If there were loads of people queuing up to see him I'm sure his fanbase could have done more than the fornicate all tickets sold for the rematch.

dirk2686 wrote:

BitPlayer wrote:Is it that surprising that Fury, who has spoken before of having mental issues, having gone through a lot this year, is having bad mental issues?

The way the media treated him were shocking, it's not like they just reported on stuff that was going on, they dug up a load of stuff, stuff they'd already reported on, to trash him, ruining his dream. UKAD has been awful to him, they shouldn;t have told them he was in the clear then a year after the test leak it to the media then change their mind. He witnessed a young freind get seriously hurt boxing, to the point where he was put in a coma.

To answer the question neither.

He should be made champion in reccess, and he can get a shot at the active champ(s), when/if he makes a comeback.

The media treated him like any other sexist, homophobic, anti-semitic world champion. Christ, some people really are stupid. Regardless of your opinions on the subjects, but if Lewis hamilton wins the F1 championship or Mo Farah comes back from the Olympics and starts saying women shouldn't get out the kitchen, or gay people should be killed, then expect a few questions you ignorant dunce.

Same with Fury. If he wants to rant about Jews controlling the world he can knock himself out, but don't expect everyone to think he's a nice guy and want to see his fights in the aftermath. Sell yourself as a boorish oaf and get treated like one. If there were loads of people queuing up to see him I'm sure his fanbase could have done more than the eff all tickets sold for the rematch.

Manny Pacquiao has said very homophobic stuff more than once, but it's not brought constantly nearly the way it is with Fury.

Or how about the story of Anthony Joshua treating his child and his child's mother like trash, barely even made the news. Do you think Fury would get a pass?

The media have caused real harm to a man with known mental issues with repeated direct abuse, that's far worse than anything you can say Tyson has done.

Report on what he says when he says it, and critisize him for it, but that's not what what the media did, they kept bringing it up when it had happened long ago when talking about him.

Or hpow about this, large parts of the mainstream British media called Fury a terrible champion because of their superficial judgement of the match, they didn't call Joshua a terrible champion for winning such a dubious belt.

BitPlayer wrote:

Loki wrote:The question that bugs me is 'why'? Why such a bad performance from a champ that doesn't produce bad performances and why the reluctance of Fury to fight (x 3) or attend press conferences. The two must be connected.

Why must they be connected?

Do Hughie's health problems also fit into this?
Maybe Saunder's injury?
What about WIlder's injury?

Maybe it's because they're freinds, neither wants to see the other get hurt so they worked out a way to see who was the better boxer without hurting each other, and now Fury thinks Wlad's is at the age he needs to retire and is trying to make him.

I don't thhink any of that is true, not at all. But still. . . .

Information is the most powerful commodity there is. More than £, good looks, big cock and influence. If you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.

Loki wrote:

BitPlayer wrote:

Loki wrote:The question that bugs me is 'why'? Why such a bad performance from a champ that doesn't produce bad performances and why the reluctance of Fury to fight (x 3) or attend press conferences. The two must be connected.

Why must they be connected?

Do Hughie's health problems also fit into this?
Maybe Saunder's injury?
What about WIlder's injury?

Maybe it's because they're freinds, neither wants to see the other get hurt so they worked out a way to see who was the better boxer without hurting each other, and now Fury thinks Wlad's is at the age he needs to retire and is trying to make him.

I don't thhink any of that is true, not at all. But still. . . .

Information is the most powerful commodity there is. More than £, good looks, big cock and influence. If you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.

Your “Sherlock Holmes logical fallacy” carries an awful lot of flaws, such assuming a version of the truth that is based on “magical” explanations built on nothing but pure unadulterated nonsense.

Simply put: there's not enough information or alternative explanations to assume your connections between Klitschko's poor performance against Fury and Tyson's reluctance to engage in the rematch.

Enlightened-One wrote:

Loki wrote:

BitPlayer wrote: Why must they be connected?

Do Hughie's health problems also fit into this?
Maybe Saunder's injury?
What about WIlder's injury?

Maybe it's because they're freinds, neither wants to see the other get hurt so they worked out a way to see who was the better boxer without hurting each other, and now Fury thinks Wlad's is at the age he needs to retire and is trying to make him.

I don't thhink any of that is true, not at all. But still. . . .

Information is the most powerful commodity there is. More than £, good looks, big cock and influence. If you eliminate the impossible, whatever remains, no matter how improbable, must be the truth.

Your “Sherlock Holmes logical fallacy” carries an awful lot of flaws, such assuming a version of the truth that is based on “magical” explanations built on nothing but pure unadulterated nonsense.

Simply put: there's not enough information or alternative explanations to assume your connections.

The theory that Wlad and Fury are good friends seems implausible. The Klitschko brothers are very bright, well educated guys and Fury is an imbecile. and Fury would sacrifice big money because he doesn't want to hurt him. Wow.

BitPlayer wrote:Manny Pacquiao has said very homophobic stuff more than once, but it's not brought constantly nearly the way it is with Fury.

Or how about the story of Anthony Joshua treating his child and his child's mother like trash, barely even made the news. Do you think Fury would get a pass?

I think the media have treated him differently, no doubt about it. But his controversial behaviour was not reserved just for after winning the world title. Threatening to hang his promiscuous sister in 2013, calling Haye and Bellew gay lovers in 2015. Openly claiming drugs should be allowed in sport. It's just not helpful for his situation, is it?

Okay, Joshua has a chequered past also, but it feels as though he has behaved in such a way that has to some degree repaired his reputation, whereas Fury has just compounded the issue by going the complete opposite direction. I've said it once, and I'll say it again, he was badly advised/managed, and his behaviour is a reflection of that. I think the examples of Pacquiao (trust me it created a shit storm in his home country) and Joshua (I think the term 'treated like trash' is an incredibly subjective stand point - what did he actually do? Put them in a dumpster?) are trying to justify Fury's actions, and for me it doesn't work.

I'm very happy for Fury to be a champion in recess, and have first crack at the current champions when he returns. It's almost 12 months now, and no sign of a fight being signed (and more importantly followed through) any time soon. If it is mental issues, it could quite easily be another 12 months. It'd be damaging for the sport for 3 world title belts to be inactive for 24 months. I personally don't see him coming back, but I hope he does.

BitPlayer wrote:Manny Pacquiao has said very homophobic stuff more than once, but it's not brought constantly nearly the way it is with Fury.

Or how about the story of Anthony Joshua treating his child and his child's mother like trash, barely even made the news. Do you think Fury would get a pass?

I don't know anything about Joshua's family situation, so I'll refrain from commenting on a topic I know nothing about.

That being said, Pacquiao's ridiculously heinous homophobic comments were borne purely from his religious beliefs and the media tend to prefer to avoid harshly criticising absurd moral values defined by bronze age myths, for fear of upsetting at least a billion other people sharing the same faith.

You need to wait and hear his side of the story first. A lot of these guys here, as well as the mass media owners, hate him because he isn't "politically correct". He's a refreshing change and I want him to stay. I'm very disappointed in this. I thought that Wlad would win an exciting second fight and then there would be a huge third playoff fight. I'm still hoping this might be rescued.