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I've just watched the fight, but I didn't understand what happened to Juergen Braehmer since he apparently was winning at cards (in my count 59-51 for Braehmer (edit wrong calculus correct 59-55)). Was in the hand or elbow? Looks like elbow since he put ice on it. Couldn't be considered a "no contest"?

In my opinion the health issues should be reorganized and taken more seriously in the boxing federations and councils to be considered "no contest" or even a draw after doing a medical analysis in grave health actions. Like in this fight and Jose Zepeda vs Flanagan were fights that both (Braehmer and Zepeda) were ahead, and take a loss (Braehmer the belt) in the career record for being/getting injured and opponent wins... sincerely it is unfair, even if the fighter wasn't ahead on cards, at minimum a rematch ought to be organized, boxing is a sport and health must be considered (and as consequence fighters proud expressed in his/her record) not a place where the protagonist are gladiators and have their proud (record) stained/spotted for bad made rules and laws.

* Sorry if any English mistake, it is not my mother language...

Best regards'

iMaioral

What would stop a losing boxer from claiming injury and avoiding loss then? If you require a medical report, how do you determine what level of severity is needed for the fight to be a draw or no contest, and how do you avoid false reports? Often boxers carry legitimate injuries with them to the ring as well, so can they just fall back on these to get them out of a fight?

Further, in the case of Clev-Braehmer, how do you know that the injury wasn't caused by Cleverly punching the elbow, or by Braehmer reaching too far when Cleverly moved out of range? Why should Braehmer get off without a loss if he wasn't injured by an illegal move?

By the way, 59-51 is a very odd card. Did you really have Braehmer winning rounds by multiple points?

Injuries are part of sports.
No athlete in any sport deserves to have losses erased due to injuries.

Cleverly beat him fair and square period.

Braehmer's kryptonite has always been pressure,and unfortunately for him thats Cleverly's biggest asset ,he might be injured legit though,apart from holding his arm he didnt look to distressed but you dont need to be wailing or crying to be in pain,in fact the fact that he wasnt milking it might lead me to believe he is injured

Braehmer may have had an injury, but it clearly wasn't so bad, as he showed no signs of it during the fight. Winning and sometimes even losing boxers often continue fighting with such injuries. I think the reason of him quitting is that he was facing a bigger and stronger man with a good chin who kept pressuring him and working his body, and we know that a bigger man usually eventually starts prevailing, especially when a smaller man gets a minor injury.

boxing_rocks wrote:Braehmer may have had an injury, but it clearly wasn't so bad, as he showed no signs of it during the fight. Winning and sometimes even losing boxers often continue fighting with such injuries. I think the reason of him quitting is that he was facing a bigger and stronger man with a good chin who kept pressuring him and working his body, and we know that a bigger man usually eventually starts prevailing, especially when a smaller man gets a minor injury.

TBH i never noticed an injury either but the 6th round was poor and Braehmer's career is filled with forgettable rounds so i doubt i'd have noticed anyway

I will say though i thought it was a great fight with the styles blending nicely

The fight was quality right up to the 6th when Braehmer stopped punching. Gotta think existence of rematch clause might have influenced him to stop.

That was a great fight for as long as it lasted. There are stipulations for fighters being injured due to non-boxing related injuries/incidents during the fight. But any injury you sustain within the rules of the match are considered part & parcel. How did you have it 59-51? I didn't score it but I thought Cleverly won rds 5 & 6 and was competitive in every round. I believe he outboxed Braehmer in the first couple rounds also. Braehmer quit. I would be unhappy if I were a Braehmer fan but he has his future to worry about.

It sure looked to me like the right elbow was damaged, the way the shots were coming especially by that 6th round. But, to me, it looked like Cleverly was shifting to another gear while Braehmer was fading. I see a similar progression if they rematch.

Cleverly's a awkward fighter, really don't think his style will serve him well against any well conditioned puncher. He obviously has a lot of courage but mauling and going toe to toe relentlessly, i think he could do it easier. He's got such long limbs and yet he stays on the inside throwing multiple arm punches that don't seem to have much effect or get leverage. He comes to fight and can lay his gloves on you but doing that from the opening bell.....Someone like Joe smith jr will bomb him out of there imo.

Braehmer didn't look tired IMO, I don't think the pace was getting to him so early, he must of had an injury.

I had Cleverly winning the first, fourth and sixth. Braehmer won, 2, 3, and maybe the 5th.

Two fights ago Joe Smith couldn't stop Will Rosinsky, and right before that Dion Savage lasted into the 9th with him. It will be interesting to see what type of success he has if he's matched at a high level again.

Sorry for the wrong sum, in my account was 59-55 for Juergen Braehmer... I gave only the 6th round for Cleverly (maybe 3rd or 4th were cool, but not enough for me) since he wasn't connecting like Braehmer was (22% vs 45%) besides the double amount of punch shots. I saw a competitive close fight with 2 good boxer with good chins in an awesome infight battle.

For those who may not know, punches not connected, landed in the defense, shot at random or even scattered/diverted/deflected (finding the exact word sorry) just impress the audience. "Machine gun punches" like Leo Santa Cruz, Pacquiao, Porter and Salido impresses for the amount of punches thrown, but it doesn't mean they are winning the fight, even less for the judges (if the shots are not connected). Connected punches are just one valuable component (of the 4 as I know) used by judges to score.

I don't feel Braehmer wasn't hanging on since he (as somebody said) wasn't showing sings of tiring (as Cleverly was a showing a bit), even less because of Clev size. Clev was by far the toughest (IMO) opponent he fought, but that thing of size bothering him I disagree sice he fought Roberto Feliciano Bolonti, Enzo Maccarinelli, and Robin Krasniqi who are good boxers and a bit bigger than him and he beat them all, so it depends a lot the variables for an accurate analysis when counting size, while a good and smart boxer can handle it with a well strategically plan (an example, the rising good boxer Avni Yildirim vs Aaron Pryor Jr in recent fight).

I particularly like the boxing style of Juergen Braehmer, sometimes it reminds me the style of boxers of 50's. For me he is not a superb boxer much above well complete all-around in terms of general technique+punching power like Rigondeaux, Crawford or Lomachenko, but he is a boxer bit above average ok well around in terms of general technique+punching power that does his job OK with no great surprises and differential. The one no doubtly very complete all-around of his weight class is Andre Ward.

Thanks for the attention, sorry for wrong card count and any English mistake.

Best regards'

The only fair result in these circumstances is that the injured fighter loses the fight - unless the injury was caused by a foul. I agree that a rematch would be fair, but if you're going to call 'no contest' for injuries, fighters will be faking injuries all the time to avoid losing.

I think we should call it Win (by Retirement).

KO is ridiculous to attach to some of these type of wins.

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:I think we should call it Win (by Retirement).

KO is ridiculous to attach to some of these type of wins.

Again, some fighters would try to avoid inevitable stoppage on their record by retirement.

Unfortunately, it is not possible to make something fair for the individual well being without counting that always there are individuals maliciously trying to be smartly ahead of others by passing over things/rules/laws just for the win, fu.cking human race... "The fair ones pays for the sinners"

BAD INTENTIONS wrote:I think we should call it Win (by Retirement).

KO is ridiculous to attach to some of these type of wins.

It was called a win by retirement: http://boxrec.com/bout/2094528